49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by sacniner:

We were a throw away from number six last year. Wtf are you talking about. Lewis can't hold Shanahan's jock strap

Yeah it's the dumbest take ever. Just about every single organization would love to have kyle as there HC.

So much reaching in his post.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by sacniner:
f**king disgusting the hate Shanahan is getting now from some fans. It seems like there is a weird divide. Some biased Jimmy Garoppolo fans hate Shanahan and choose #10 over the Niners franchise. Reminds me of a certain politician

Shanahan is the best coach we've had since George Seifert. He was playing with a CFL roster last night for f**ks sake. His starting QB is always hurt and the QB play this year has been abysmal. The NFL forced him to play with a CFL squad even though Bourne tested negative multiple times now

True Niner fans are still out here. Kyle Shanahan should be the Niners coach for many years. We should have won the super bowl last year if the QB hit an open Emmanuel Sanders. What a remarkable turnaround and our roster is still stacked going into next year

People who hate on a mastermind like Kyle are frauds.

Harbaugh took the team to a superbowl in his second year. He got fired after year 4. Why cant the same arguments be made about Shanahan?

Harbaugh never had a losing season in 4 years. Shanahan will have 3 losing seasons in 4 years. Lets see how the next two years will play out. I have a feeling not very good, but l hope im wrong.

If you don't see the difference in the roster when Harbaugh took over compared to the when Kyle took over, then you aren't seeing the entire picture.

I understand that he inherited an empty roster with a FANTASTIC cap situation. That was part of the appeal, so he can build the team he wanted it built. But here we are 4 years later with a TERRIBLE cap situation, and it looks like the roster is going to turn to garbage again with the upcoming cap reduction and the number of FA coming up. The team that was built in 4 years was not built to last, and it looks like we are headed into another rebuild. Thats what is sad to me. I have never seen a superbowl window close this fast.

You know that this is a once in a lifetime (hopfully) situation (pandemic) that was brought upon us and it affected everything, even the CAP. All teams are going to suffer.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

You know that this is a once in a lifetime (hopfully) situation (pandemic) that was brought upon us and it affected everything, even the CAP. All teams are going to suffer.

Yup!

I'll ask again. Who is the coach who has this team at 7-2 right now?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I understand that he inherited an empty roster with a FANTASTIC cap situation. That was part of the appeal, so he can build the team he wanted it built. But here we are 4 years later with a TERRIBLE cap situation, and it looks like the roster is going to turn to garbage again with the upcoming cap reduction and the number of FA coming up. The team that was built in 4 years was not built to last, and it looks like we are headed into another rebuild. Thats what is sad to me. I have never seen a superbowl window close this fast.

Most teams that have good players that they have to pay don't have great cap situations. Most teams that have a lot of cap space either blow or have a rookie QB on a rookie contract.

I get this. But thats not my point. My point was that this team was not built properly the way it should have been built. If the niners drafted a qb rather than signing Jimmy g to a long term contract, and had a healthy draft rather than wasting it on the likes of Solomon thomas, reuben foster, and dee ford. They would have been in a much better position. Instead, they draft CJ beathard (WTF), sign Jimmy G to a long term contract after 5 games, and blow the cap with mediocrity (Armstead, Dee ford, richburg, ward, alexander mckinnon etc) I dont see how people can argue against this. Its pretty clear that mistakes have been made.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
you can create the same list for every QB.

You say your objective but it's all just anger. He's not great, but he's not tripping over his shoe laces out there like you try to make it be.

For someone with all these faults you say..

moving the ball downfield with his arm

-throwing past the 1st down marker (bottom in the league past two yrs)
-reading defenses pre/post snap.
-mechanics overall
-staying healthy
-mobility
-overall arm talent

Can not lead the league in 3rd conversions..

I'm not angry at all dude lol. I'm calling it as a lot of people who have absolutely no ties to SF call it with him...an avg talent.

What you think analytical stats are lying lol? Like they have som agenda against our QB?

When you throw short of the 1st down stick more than anyone and have the best play makers at getting YAC you can very well lead the league in 3rd down conversions...it happened last yr. that's not some amazing attribute for our QB imo.

Look IMO the only things he's great at is getting rid of the ball fast, being somewhat of a leader/good teammate, and having a great chin line. Just about every other attribute you want in a QB he's either avg or below avg at.

3rd down passing conversions is one of the best clutch stat there is. He was the best out of all QBs.. not just near the top, at the top. No QB, with how bad you say he is should be leading at a crucial stat like that.

I'm not saying he's great or elite.. i'm saying he's the best we got and it's proven we can get to the SB with him. No need to be subjective on it when no one has shown they can be better right now.

If we move on from JG, i'm not going to be hurt. heck i might jump on your train and kick the man down. But so far he's the best QB we've had in awhile no matter how we feel with him.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by sacniner:
f**king disgusting the hate Shanahan is getting now from some fans. It seems like there is a weird divide. Some biased Jimmy Garoppolo fans hate Shanahan and choose #10 over the Niners franchise. Reminds me of a certain politician

Shanahan is the best coach we've had since George Seifert. He was playing with a CFL roster last night for f**ks sake. His starting QB is always hurt and the QB play this year has been abysmal. The NFL forced him to play with a CFL squad even though Bourne tested negative multiple times now

True Niner fans are still out here. Kyle Shanahan should be the Niners coach for many years. We should have won the super bowl last year if the QB hit an open Emmanuel Sanders. What a remarkable turnaround and our roster is still stacked going into next year

People who hate on a mastermind like Kyle are frauds.

Harbaugh took the team to a superbowl in his second year. He got fired after year 4. Why cant the same arguments be made about Shanahan?

Harbaugh never had a losing season in 4 years. Shanahan will have 3 losing seasons in 4 years. Lets see how the next two years will play out. I have a feeling not very good, but l hope im wrong.

If you don't see the difference in the roster when Harbaugh took over compared to the when Kyle took over, then you aren't seeing the entire picture.

I understand that he inherited an empty roster with a FANTASTIC cap situation. That was part of the appeal, so he can build the team he wanted it built. But here we are 4 years later with a TERRIBLE cap situation, and it looks like the roster is going to turn to garbage again with the upcoming cap reduction and the number of FA coming up. The team that was built in 4 years was not built to last, and it looks like we are headed into another rebuild. Thats what is sad to me. I have never seen a superbowl window close this fast.

I was responding directly to your post where you said: "Harbaugh took the team to a superbowl in his second year. He got fired after year 4. Why cant the same arguments be made about Shanahan? Harbaugh never had a losing season in 4 years. Shanahan will have 3 losing seasons in 4 years."

Kyle's 49er teams in 2017/18 were going to take a lot of Ls because they were building it from the ground up. I was pointing out that you failed you recognize this when comparing Harbaugh's team to Kyle's. How can you fault Kyle for the 2017/18 losing seasons when you knew it was a rebuild situation?

Originally posted by Antix:
I'll ask again. Who is the coach who has this team at 7-2 right now?

Noooobodyyyy

Originally posted by thl408:

I was responding directly to your post where you said: "Harbaugh took the team to a superbowl in his second year. He got fired after year 4. Why cant the same arguments be made about Shanahan? Harbaugh never had a losing season in 4 years. Shanahan will have 3 losing seasons in 4 years."

Kyle's 49er teams in 2017/18 were going to take a lot of Ls because they were building it from the ground up. I was pointing out that you failed you recognize this when comparing Harbaugh's team to Kyle's. How can you fault Kyle for the 2017/18 losing seasons when you knew it was a rebuild situation?

Because it doesn't backup his dumb as s**t narrative. You breakdown Kyle's films every week you know that he's most certainly not the problem.

Originally posted by Antix:
I'll ask again. Who is the coach who has this team at 7-2 right now?

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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by thl408:
I was responding directly to your post where you said: "Harbaugh took the team to a superbowl in his second year. He got fired after year 4. Why cant the same arguments be made about Shanahan? Harbaugh never had a losing season in 4 years. Shanahan will have 3 losing seasons in 4 years."

Kyle's 49er teams in 2017/18 were going to take a lot of Ls because they were building it from the ground up. I was pointing out that you failed you recognize this when comparing Harbaugh's team to Kyle's. How can you fault Kyle for the 2017/18 losing seasons when you knew it was a rebuild situation?

Because it doesn't backup his dumb as s**t narrative. You breakdown Kyle's films every week you know that he's most certainly not the problem.

The guy looks and acts the part of a legit NFL coach that is always thinking of ways to stay one step ahead of the league. The problems with the current 49er team can be considered roster related, and while we can fault Kyle and the front office for questionable roster moves (bad ROI with some contracts), those poor decisions can be moved on from. When a team has a coach that is able to teach, scheme, and earn the respect of the players by setting an example of professionalism and hard work, that coach becomes part of the solution.

Originally posted by thl408:
I was responding directly to your post where you said: "Harbaugh took the team to a superbowl in his second year. He got fired after year 4. Why cant the same arguments be made about Shanahan? Harbaugh never had a losing season in 4 years. Shanahan will have 3 losing seasons in 4 years."

Kyle's 49er teams in 2017/18 were going to take a lot of Ls because they were building it from the ground up. I was pointing out that you failed you recognize this when comparing Harbaugh's team to Kyle's. How can you fault Kyle for the 2017/18 losing seasons when you knew it was a rebuild situation?

I dont. I do not fault him for the results of 2017 and 2018. I do fault him for the errors made those years. The drafts, the free agents etc. Those have resulted in a roster that is in turmoil.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

3rd down passing conversions is one of the best clutch stat there is. He was the best out of all QBs.. not just near the top, at the top. No QB, with how bad you say he is should be leading at a crucial stat like that.

I'm not saying he's great or elite.. i'm saying he's the best we got and it's proven we can get to the SB with him. No need to be subjective on it when no one has shown they can be better right now.

If we move on from JG, i'm not going to be hurt. heck i might jump on your train and kick the man down. But so far he's the best QB we've had in awhile no matter how we feel with him.

I'm not saying that's a bad/important stat...I'm saying use the rest of the data to paint a picture.

He was bottom of the barrel last yr in throwing it to the 1st down marker. SO in order for him to be tops in the league at converting on 3rd downs, instead of throwing it to or past that 1st down marketer...he was dumping it off to his YAC receivers. Why does he get all the credit for that, when in reality it's his receivers doing all the work?

Saying he's the best we got is like saying he's the best looking fat chick at the bar at 2AM seems like half of ya'll are good with that lol, not me!

Yes he game managed us to a SB. Our roster is gonna be drastically different next yr, over 30 free agents and no cash to resign/upgrade...unless we move off an avg QB (trade). My god if we got Zach Wilson in this scheme at bare minimum he's playing at Jimmy's level in 2021.

They can upgrade so much around a rookie QB and keep the dude's we want to keep. It's frees up mountains of cash down the road as well. They're gonna have to draft a QB at some point, unless you think there gonna give Jimmy a big fat extension and I don't see that happening. So might has well get a good young QB when you're gonna be picking rather high.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

I dont. I do not fault him for the results of 2017 and 2018. I do fault him for the errors made those years. The drafts, the free agents etc. Those have resulted in a roster that is in turmoil.

The roster is injured not in turmoil, stop being so dramatic. Just like every damn team you can point out what if's and misses.

COVID killed much needed cap space to reigning some guys and make upgrades (for every team) SO the guy with the most available cap space might have to be moved...fine with moving an avg QB to improve the overall roster.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by thl408:
I was responding directly to your post where you said: "Harbaugh took the team to a superbowl in his second year. He got fired after year 4. Why cant the same arguments be made about Shanahan? Harbaugh never had a losing season in 4 years. Shanahan will have 3 losing seasons in 4 years."

Kyle's 49er teams in 2017/18 were going to take a lot of Ls because they were building it from the ground up. I was pointing out that you failed you recognize this when comparing Harbaugh's team to Kyle's. How can you fault Kyle for the 2017/18 losing seasons when you knew it was a rebuild situation?

Because it doesn't backup his dumb as s**t narrative. You breakdown Kyle's films every week you know that he's most certainly not the problem.

The guy looks and acts the part of a legit NFL coach that is always thinking of ways to stay one step ahead of the league. The problems with the current 49er team can be considered roster related, and while we can fault Kyle and the front office for questionable roster moves (bad ROI with some contracts), those poor decisions can be moved on from. When a team has a coach that is able to teach, scheme, and earn the respect of the players by setting an example of professionalism and hard work, that coach becomes part of the solution.

I agree with you here. 100%. Nobody seems to admit or come to the realization that mistakes have been made. He made mistakes. He can be forgiven if this can be turned around. Im hoping it can. But those mistakes are not something you can move on after a year. Those mistakes will take several years to recover from.