49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
3rd down passing conversions is one of the best clutch stat there is. He was the best out of all QBs.. not just near the top, at the top. No QB, with how bad you say he is should be leading at a crucial stat like that.

I'm not saying he's great or elite.. i'm saying he's the best we got and it's proven we can get to the SB with him. No need to be subjective on it when no one has shown they can be better right now.

If we move on from JG, i'm not going to be hurt. heck i might jump on your train and kick the man down. But so far he's the best QB we've had in awhile no matter how we feel with him.

I'm not saying that's a bad/important stat...I'm saying use the rest of the data to paint a picture.

He was bottom of the barrel last yr in throwing it to the 1st down marker. SO in order for him to be tops in the league at converting on 3rd downs, instead of throwing it to or past that 1st down marketer...he was dumping it off to his YAC receivers. Why does he get all the credit for that, when in reality it's his receivers doing all the work?

Saying he's the best we got is like saying he's the best looking fat chick at the bar at 2AM seems like half of ya'll are good with that lol, not me!

Yes he game managed us to a SB. Our roster is gonna be drastically different next yr, over 30 free agents and no cash to resign/upgrade...unless we move off an avg QB (trade). My god if we got Zach Wilson in this scheme at bare minimum he's playing at Jimmy's level in 2021.

They can upgrade so much around a rookie QB and keep the dude's we want to keep. It's frees up mountains of cash down the road as well. They're gonna have to draft a QB at some point, unless you think there gonna give Jimmy a big fat extension and I don't see that happening. So might has well get a good young QB when you're gonna be picking rather high.

If jimmy is the fat chick at 2am.. how did all the other QBs look since garcia ?

And while you are not good with the 2am fat chick, you are still going home with her. lol

Time to unlock the old thread 😆

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/164601-49ers-sign-josh-johnson/page40/

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Antix:

I'll ask again. Who is the coach who has this team at 7-2 right now?

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Originally posted by Jcool:

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Putting in a new Center who's never played Center before on a short week 1 day of practice and a c19 lock down was a bold move.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by thl408:
I was responding directly to your post where you said: "Harbaugh took the team to a superbowl in his second year. He got fired after year 4. Why cant the same arguments be made about Shanahan? Harbaugh never had a losing season in 4 years. Shanahan will have 3 losing seasons in 4 years."

Kyle's 49er teams in 2017/18 were going to take a lot of Ls because they were building it from the ground up. I was pointing out that you failed you recognize this when comparing Harbaugh's team to Kyle's. How can you fault Kyle for the 2017/18 losing seasons when you knew it was a rebuild situation?

I dont. I do not fault him for the results of 2017 and 2018. I do fault him for the errors made those years. The drafts, the free agents etc. Those have resulted in a roster that is in turmoil.

Roster in 'turmoil' is a bit of an exaggeration but that's fine, go with that. Offensively they are still on the upswing with young players at key skill positions. They need to figure out the QB situation and how they want that to look 3+ years into the future.

I'm not about to move on from Kyle and add major uncertainty at a key position in the franchise. While his roster moves are not perfect by any means, he has shown to me that he has a certain vision for what he wants the team to look like, and I'd like to let him build towards that. If you are unhappy with Kyle as head coach, be prepared to be unhappy for awhile because I don't think he's going anywhere in the near future. Your criticism of him is fair when it comes to personnel decisions, but I think he is continuing to learn in this area. Afterall, he is a young hot shot coach that not too long ago got his first HC'ing gig.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I dont. I do not fault him for the results of 2017 and 2018. I do fault him for the errors made those years. The drafts, the free agents etc. Those have resulted in a roster that is in turmoil.

The roster is injured not in turmoil, stop being so dramatic. Just like every damn team you can point out what if's and misses.

COVID killed much needed cap space to reigning some guys and make upgrades (for every team) SO the guy with the most available cap space might have to be moved...fine with moving an avg QB to improve the overall roster.

Its not Covid, it has nothing to do with Covid,

Solomon Thomas sucked regardless of COVID
Reuben Foster was a disaster. The red flags were everywhere. Still drafted him. Not Covid
Dee Ford, he had one good year. Lets give a 2nd and a huge contract. Not Covid
Lets trade up for Dante Pettis. Not Covid.
Lets Draft CJ Beathard. Not Covid
Lets draft a punter in the 4th. Not Covid
Lets Draft Joe Williams. Not Covid
Lets keep Ward. Not Covid
Lets sign Mckinnon to a large contract. Not Covid
Lets restructure Ford and Richburg. Not Covid
Lets keep Trent Taylor. Not Covid
Lets dump Buckner, but sign Armstead to a huge contract. Not covid.

Just admit that mistakes were made. We can agree that the team needs to move on and hopefully do better.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by thl408:
I was responding directly to your post where you said: "Harbaugh took the team to a superbowl in his second year. He got fired after year 4. Why cant the same arguments be made about Shanahan? Harbaugh never had a losing season in 4 years. Shanahan will have 3 losing seasons in 4 years."

Kyle's 49er teams in 2017/18 were going to take a lot of Ls because they were building it from the ground up. I was pointing out that you failed you recognize this when comparing Harbaugh's team to Kyle's. How can you fault Kyle for the 2017/18 losing seasons when you knew it was a rebuild situation?

I dont. I do not fault him for the results of 2017 and 2018. I do fault him for the errors made those years. The drafts, the free agents etc. Those have resulted in a roster that is in turmoil.

Roster in 'turmoil' is a bit of an exaggeration but that's fine, go with that. Offensively they are still on the upswing with young players at key skill positions. They need to figure out the QB situation and how they want that to look 3+ years into the future.

I'm not about to move on from Kyle and add major uncertainty at a key position in the franchise. While his roster moves are not perfect by any means, he has shown to me that he has a certain vision for what he wants the team to look like, and I'd like to let him build towards that. If you are unhappy with Kyle as head coach, be prepared to be unhappy for awhile because I don't think he's going anywhere in the near future. Your criticism of him is fair when it comes to personnel decisions, but I think he is continuing to learn in this area. Afterall, he is a young hot shot coach that not too long ago got his first HC'ing gig.

You are on point again. He is a young head coach who made mistakes, and he is learning. I am hoping that he gets better. But for others to say that he is not at fault is not accurate. He has to shoulder the blame. He is the head coach.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I dont. I do not fault him for the results of 2017 and 2018. I do fault him for the errors made those years. The drafts, the free agents etc. Those have resulted in a roster that is in turmoil.

The roster is injured not in turmoil, stop being so dramatic. Just like every damn team you can point out what if's and misses.

COVID killed much needed cap space to reigning some guys and make upgrades (for every team) SO the guy with the most available cap space might have to be moved...fine with moving an avg QB to improve the overall roster.

Its not Covid, it has nothing to do with Covid,

Solomon Thomas sucked regardless of COVID
Reuben Foster was a disaster. The red flags were everywhere. Still drafted him. Not Covid
Dee Ford, he had one good year. Lets give a 2nd and a huge contract. Not Covid
Lets trade up for Dante Pettis. Not Covid.
Lets Draft CJ Beathard. Not Covid
Lets draft a punter in the 4th. Not Covid
Lets Draft Joe Williams. Not Covid
Lets keep Ward. Not Covid
Lets sign Mckinnon to a large contract. Not Covid
Lets restructure Ford and Richburg. Not Covid
Lets keep Trent Taylor. Not Covid
Lets dump Buckner, but sign Armstead to a huge contract. Not covid.

Just admit that mistakes were made. We can agree that the team needs to move on and hopefully do better.

you can lie to yourself all you want.. but all teams miss not just ours.. a lot of team would love our misses and make a Super bowl..especially the teams who nevre made a SB

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by thl408:

I was responding directly to your post where you said: "Harbaugh took the team to a superbowl in his second year. He got fired after year 4. Why cant the same arguments be made about Shanahan? Harbaugh never had a losing season in 4 years. Shanahan will have 3 losing seasons in 4 years."

Kyle's 49er teams in 2017/18 were going to take a lot of Ls because they were building it from the ground up. I was pointing out that you failed you recognize this when comparing Harbaugh's team to Kyle's. How can you fault Kyle for the 2017/18 losing seasons when you knew it was a rebuild situation?

I dont. I do not fault him for the results of 2017 and 2018. I do fault him for the errors made those years. The drafts, the free agents etc. Those have resulted in a roster that is in turmoil.

Roster in 'turmoil' is a bit of an exaggeration but that's fine, go with that. Offensively they are still on the upswing with young players at key skill positions. They need to figure out the QB situation and how they want that to look 3+ years into the future.

I'm not about to move on from Kyle and add major uncertainty at a key position in the franchise. While his roster moves are not perfect by any means, he has shown to me that he has a certain vision for what he wants the team to look like, and I'd like to let him build towards that. If you are unhappy with Kyle as head coach, be prepared to be unhappy for awhile because I don't think he's going anywhere in the near future. Your criticism of him is fair when it comes to personnel decisions, but I think he is continuing to learn in this area. Afterall, he is a young hot shot coach that not too long ago got his first HC'ing gig.

You are on point again. He is a young head coach who made mistakes, and he is learning. I am hoping that he gets better. But for others to say that he is not at fault is not accurate. He has to shoulder the blame. He is the head coach.

I'm sure he's to blame for the entire team being Injured. . Seriously though, Shanny and lynch have made some mistakes in the past, but they are also the reason this team is competitive. Once we get the horses back, we'll be a tough team to beat once again. Injuries have killed us this year without question.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Its not Covid, it has nothing to do with Covid,

1. Solomon Thomas sucked regardless of COVID
2. Reuben Foster was a disaster. The red flags were everywhere. Still drafted him. Not Covid
3. Dee Ford, he had one good year. Lets give a 2nd and a huge contract. Not Covid
4 .Lets trade up for Dante Pettis. Not Covid.
5. Lets Draft CJ Beathard. Not Covid
6.Lets draft a punter in the 4th. Not Covid
7.Lets Draft Joe Williams. Not Covid
8. Lets keep Ward. Not Covid
9. Lets sign Mckinnon to a large contract. Not Covid
10.Lets restructure Ford and Richburg. Not Covid
11. Lets keep Trent Taylor. Not Covid
12. Lets dump Buckner, but sign Armstead to a huge contract. Not covid.

Just admit that mistakes were made. We can agree that the team needs to move on and hopefully do better.

I'll play devil's advocate:
1) Yea. Any idiot can see that he would be a bust. There were no excuse to draft this loser. SMH.
2) To be fair, his talent and his draft slot outweighed his red flags. Still was worth the gamble.
3) Trading for him, I didn't mind. But that contract restructure was a head scratcher. If the niners want to release him, then it's going to cost them a lot more.
4) Yea.....that was very dumb. Even a literal retard wouldn't move up to select him. Also, it was really stupid to that Pettis didn't really get a fair shot as a returner.
5) No big deal. A very late to early 4th round pick; those players are likely to be cut after their 3rd year in the league.
6) Yea....that was dumb too. Unless he was historically great in college, that was a bad move.
7) Meh, a 4th round back didn't have an nfl career. Those are common
8) LMAO
9) At that time, the niners had money to burn and McKinnon fit the scheme. It was worth the gamble at that time. WE didn't know he would get hurt so much.
10) Yea, that b***hburg signing hurts and his restructure hurts even more. The niners should have avoided this trainwreck.
11) Meh, Trent Taylor didn't take a roster spot from someone important. It would be different if a player that was worthy got cut because Trent took his spot. And then said player is balling out on another team. No big deal.
12) Buckner under performed but he's miles better than AA. If the niners managed their cap better, then they would have been in the position to keep Buckner.

The two biggest mistakes the niners made or are making:

1) Paying players based off of past performances aka one year wonders. This is the team that will probably try to re-sign Verrett even though he has been injured throughout his career. But the niners will try to reward him because he is having a good year.

2) They keep drafting/signing players to big contracts for injury prone players. That is something that need to cease immediately.
2B) *stop trading away draft capital like it's crack cocaine. Keep those picks and select BPA. They shouldn't move up to target a specific player; unless that particular player will push them over that hump. If they rebuild/retool intelligently, then this will be a 2 year process. Luckily, their strength as an organization is the ability to find late round gems in the draft and under valued players in the FA market. They are among the best in the league.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
If jimmy is the fat chick at 2am.. how did all the other QBs look since garcia ?

And while you are not good with the 2am fat chick, you are still going home with her. lol

That's my point we've been watching the worst of the worst at QB since Garcia and even he wasn't some elite stud....Jimmy comes in plays some avg football and we're all acting like he's something special.

He's another analogy, it's like being surrounded by ugly women at work for yrs and a 5 walks in and starting working there...she's all of a sudden becomes a 8 because we've been around such ugliness for so long lol...We're 49er fans, not Browns or Bengal fans lol we shouldn't be accepting avg or pretending it's better than that. I'm not settling with meh.

Also I'm not going home with a fat chick at 2 AM regardless, I got standards my man

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Its not Covid, it has nothing to do with Covid,

Solomon Thomas sucked regardless of COVID
Reuben Foster was a disaster. The red flags were everywhere. Still drafted him. Not Covid
Dee Ford, he had one good year. Lets give a 2nd and a huge contract. Not Covid
Lets trade up for Dante Pettis. Not Covid.
Lets Draft CJ Beathard. Not Covid
Lets draft a punter in the 4th. Not Covid
Lets Draft Joe Williams. Not Covid
Lets keep Ward. Not Covid
Lets sign Mckinnon to a large contract. Not Covid
Lets restructure Ford and Richburg. Not Covid
Lets keep Trent Taylor. Not Covid
Lets dump Buckner, but sign Armstead to a huge contract. Not covid.

Just admit that mistakes were made. We can agree that the team needs to move on and hopefully do better.

lol you missed the whole point about COVID and how it relates to the upcoming cap space...they wouldn't be in dire straits if the cap was going up what it was projected to before a pandemic hit. THAT was my point bringing up COVID. Went completely over your head.

Also great let's bring up every single negative thing we possibly can over a 4 yr stretch and not pretend he didn't start out with a dumpster fire of a team...why don't you take you whole thought process and apply it to EVERY single team in the NFL. You'll find a laundry list of misses and complaints just the same.

such a reactionary response full on nonsense. I don't even know why I'm trying to debate you over this.

Originally posted by pdizo916:

1) Paying players based off of past performances aka one year wonders. This is the team that will probably try to re-sign Verrett even though he has been injured throughout his career. But the niners will try to reward him because he is having a good year.

2) They keep drafting/signing players to big contracts for injury prone players. That is something that need to cease immediately.
2B) *stop trading away draft capital like it's crack cocaine. Keep those picks and select BPA. They shouldn't move up to target a specific player; unless that particular player will push them over that hump. If they rebuild/retool intelligently, then this will be a 2 year process. Luckily, their strength as an organization is the ability to find late round gems in the draft and under valued players in the FA market. They are among the best in the league.

1. That's literally how players get paid. Who's paying a player top money based on what he's gonna do in the future?

2. Overall they haven't really drafted a many "injury prone" players. You'll find similar results across the league. I agree we need to stop looking at FAs that have dealt with tons of injuries and plan on them being contributors( and paying them as such). I got no problem going for the Verrett's of the world beacause they weren't paid as starters low risk high reward.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Wait are you saying having better talent gives you a better chance to win? Wow i think you unlocked the magic formula.

Weird right? No one is saying Mullens is better than Jimmy...I'm just saying both are really that great. Our standard for what we want in a FQB is pretty damn low IMO.

This is what four years of Kyle has gotten us at qb. It is his making.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

He wanted bosa? Bosa??? Bosa was a 2nd pick that everyone wanted.

The choice of a qb lands on shanahan and no one else. He has had 4 years to get a qb that he wanted. He had garapollo. If you're arguing that garapollo sucks that's on kyle.

We are 4 years down the road and you're saying he needs to have a serviceable qb? That is such an excuse. It's 9nbkype to have already picked the qb he is going to base his team on.

You can make all the arguments you want but at the end of the day it's all about results. I'm not calling for his firing, but he should be on the hot seat of they don't produce within 2 years. How many more years are you willing to give shanahan? 3? 4? 6?

They've drafted ONE QB on day 3 and had Jimmy fall in their laps...it was suppose to be Kirk and NO ONE knows how he would have done with kyle here.

You're cherry picking anything to find a way to complain about.

This team went from complete trash to a SB in 3 yrs, now in a Covid football season with $80M worth of players on IR your b***hing about nonsense.

The Kirk argument is lame. He could have gotten Kirk but passed on him lile he passed on Mahomes and Watson.