49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by kem99:

Some things never change....

Everyone agrees that their teams should "build through the draft"...right up until free agency opens up and then if their team does not immediately start signing free agents, they complain about the current young players and the team being cheap.

A team is bad and going nowhere and everyone want to "blow it up", do a complete rebuild and be patient with young players...right up until the first game is a disappointing loss and then all of sudden everyone forgets that its a new coaching staff, new coordinators, new schemes, 14 rookies (I think) that includes their entire draft class and 4 UDFAs, etc.

This is why Shanahan and Lynch were given 6 year contracts...so they could tear it down and build it back up the right way and not have to put band aids on things to get some short term success to try to keep their jobs. The last rebuild I can think of like this was Jimmy Johnson tearing down the Cowboys, releasing or trading most of their veteran players and building through the draft knowing that he was not going to get fired if it went bad initially. In case you're curious, I looked it up, the Cowboys lost 28-0 to the Saints in their first game under Johnson.

I'm not saying this rebuild is going to end up going the same way, but there are going to be days, weeks, etc. like this. Even in Atlanta, it took a year with for Shanahan's offense to take hold despite having Matt Ryan, Julio Jones and a lot better personnel in place on offense than what the 49ers have now.

Relax. It is going to be okay and work out...or, if it does not, that's not something you're really going to know until the end of 2019 season at the earliest. At a minimum, take a deep breath and care more about what they look like the last 4 games of the season than the first 4 games of the season.

Indeed. The 1989 Cowboys are a good comparison. The real test will be to see if the 2020 team will play like the 1992 Cowboys.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

BILL WALSH???? Really?????

You are already putting Kyle on his status? Or using him as a defense for Kyle?

If that is the case, along with many of your other posts in Kyle's threads...seems like you(and others blindly support anything he does) this is going to be a long year between us buddy o'l pal.. buckle up!

The latter.

And as was just pointed out, it's the starting points and initial approach that is the same. Whether the results eventually come is yet to be seen, but it's not gonna be much in the way of winning games for this particular season.

That's not blind support, it's simply an understanding of the situation and approach being taken. I'm not expecting wins this year because that's not gonna be the true sign of improvement for this season.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
BILL WALSH???? Really?????

You are already putting Kyle on his status? Or using him as a defense for Kyle?

If that is the case, along with many of your other posts in Kyle's threads...seems like you(and others blindly support anything he does) this is going to be a long year between us buddy o'l pal.. buckle up!

The latter.

And as was just pointed out, it's the starting points and initial approach that is the same. Whether the results eventually come is yet to be seen, but it's not gonna be much in the way of winning games for this particular season.

That's not blind support, it's simply an understanding of the situation and approach being taken. I'm not expecting wins this year because that's not gonna be the true sign of improvement for this season.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
We should call up Johnny. He's familiar with Kyle's playbook.

That's all that matters, I guess.

So sat our best Pass rusher against a QB like Cam Newton...when we don't even have any proven pass rushers.. ALL so they can activate a backup backup DT in Shanny's own choice.. Xavier Cooper.

Again too smart for his own good....or he thinks he is.

(as usual, you will have to watch it on YT. Cuz Jed.)

I'll be honest, for most of the game, I loved the playcalling. I do wish we ran it a little more as Hyde was churning out some good yards, but going for it on 4th down in all those situations was the right decision. Sure, after we didn't make the conversion, you can easily say we shouldn't have gone for it (hindsight is 20/20), but once we start getting some talent on this team, young bucks start to show up, this play calling will be a ton more effective.

For right now, Shanahan is getting these plays on tape so they can review it and see how they can do better. Losing sucks, but so far I like the direction of the coach. It's going to be awhile before we start actively winning, but we need to keep an open-mind as Coach Kyle will be going against the grain in a lot of these situations.

Originally posted by smithgdwg:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

BILL WALSH???? Really?????

You are already putting Kyle on his status? Or using him as a defense for Kyle?

If that is the case, along with many of your other posts in Kyle's threads...seems like you(and others blindly support anything he does) this is going to be a long year between us buddy o'l pal.. buckle up!

The latter.

And as was just pointed out, it's the starting points and initial approach that is the same. Whether the results eventually come is yet to be seen, but it's not gonna be much in the way of winning games for this particular season.

That's not blind support, it's simply an understanding of the situation and approach being taken. I'm not expecting wins this year because that's not gonna be the true sign of improvement for this season.

Yes, you play to win. I'll take playing to win 10+ games every year for a decade come 2020-30 than winning a couple extra games in 2017. The difference between 3-13 and 5-11 is negligible. But if you can get a system in place like the 80s-90s 49ers or the 00s-10s Patriots, then that is truly playing to win the game.

Originally posted by ElDannMann:

I'll be honest, for most of the game, I loved the playcalling. I do wish we ran it a little more as Hyde was churning out some good yards, but going for it on 4th down in all those situations was the right decision. Sure, after we didn't make the conversion, you can easily say we shouldn't have gone for it (hindsight is 20/20), but once we start getting some talent on this team, young bucks start to show up, this play calling will be a ton more effective.

For right now, Shanahan is getting these plays on tape so they can review it and see how they can do better. Losing sucks, but so far I like the direction of the coach. It's going to be awhile before we start actively winning, but we need to keep an open-mind as Coach Kyle will be going against the grain in a lot of these situations.

I'm hoping the 4th down thing was him just trying to overcompensate for the lack of talent. I don't want that to continue when this team starts getting better.

Originally posted by captveg:
Yes, you play to win. I'll take playing to win 10+ games every year for a decade come 2020-30 than winning a couple extra games in 2017. The difference between 3-13 and 5-11 is negligible. But if you can get a system in place like the 80s-90s 49ers or the 00s-10s Patriots, then that is truly playing to win the game.

I think York might have initially just wanted to get the best coach he could, but even he probably has come to see hiring shanahan as an investment that could very well pay off big in the long term even if it gives poor returns in the form of wins early on. I think that's the plan - go for the long term value of installing a system that can take good players playing as a team and make a playoff contending team - sprinkle in a few All Pros and the right system can take you all the way. Every coach likes to believe they have that system but few get near the level of Walsh and Belichick. Shanahan may very well be one of those coaches who can create a system that cranks out post-season and potentially Super Bowl winning teams. But it takes time. If you don't look at York's investment in Shanahan as a long term investment but rather one with maximum short term return, then you are bound to be disappointed.

I've decided the best way to get through this year is to think of being fortunate enough to see a talented young coach with a spotily talented young roster start out rough but gradually develop into a perennial powerhouse team. The players will learn. They will get better. Shanahan will learn and get better. If you are a 49er fan then you should consider yourself lucky to get to see it happen. It might be a fantasy but it may become true and either way thinking about it that way will sure make watching them play this season a lot more fun for me.

Originally posted by 49erphan:

Originally posted by captveg:
Yes, you play to win. I'll take playing to win 10+ games every year for a decade come 2020-30 than winning a couple extra games in 2017. The difference between 3-13 and 5-11 is negligible. But if you can get a system in place like the 80s-90s 49ers or the 00s-10s Patriots, then that is truly playing to win the game.

I think York might have initially just wanted to get the best coach he could, but even he probably has come to see hiring shanahan as an investment that could very well pay off big in the long term even if it gives poor returns in the form of wins early on. I think that's the plan - go for the long term value of installing a system that can take good players playing as a team and make a playoff contending team - sprinkle in a few All Pros and the right system can take you all the way. Every coach likes to believe they have that system but few get near the level of Walsh and Belichick. Shanahan may very well be one of those coaches who can create a system that cranks out post-season and potentially Super Bowl winning teams. But it takes time. If you don't look at York's investment in Shanahan as a long term investment but rather one with maximum short term return, then you are bound to be disappointed.

I've decided the best way to get through this year is to think of being fortunate enough to see a talented young coach with a spotily talented young roster start out rough but gradually develop into a perennial powerhouse team. The players will learn. They will get better. Shanahan will learn and get better. If you are a 49er fan then you should consider yourself lucky to get to see it happen. It might be a fantasy but it may become true and either way thinking about it that way will sure make watching them play this season a lot more fun for me.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

So sat our best Pass rusher against a QB like Cam Newton...when we don't even have any proven pass rushers.. ALL so they can activate a backup backup DT in Shanny's own choice.. Xavier Cooper.

Again too smart for his own good....or he thinks he is.

Arrogant b*****d should be fired ASAP tbh

Originally posted by Afrikan:
So sat our best Pass rusher against a QB like Cam Newton...when we don't even have any proven pass rushers.. ALL so they can activate a backup backup DT in Shanny's own choice.. Xavier Cooper.

Again too smart for his own good....or he thinks he is.

aaron lynch is an overrated scrub. Even the coaching staff knows.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49erphan:

Originally posted by captveg:
Yes, you play to win. I'll take playing to win 10+ games every year for a decade come 2020-30 than winning a couple extra games in 2017. The difference between 3-13 and 5-11 is negligible. But if you can get a system in place like the 80s-90s 49ers or the 00s-10s Patriots, then that is truly playing to win the game.

I think York might have initially just wanted to get the best coach he could, but even he probably has come to see hiring shanahan as an investment that could very well pay off big in the long term even if it gives poor returns in the form of wins early on. I think that's the plan - go for the long term value of installing a system that can take good players playing as a team and make a playoff contending team - sprinkle in a few All Pros and the right system can take you all the way. Every coach likes to believe they have that system but few get near the level of Walsh and Belichick. Shanahan may very well be one of those coaches who can create a system that cranks out post-season and potentially Super Bowl winning teams. But it takes time. If you don't look at York's investment in Shanahan as a long term investment but rather one with maximum short term return, then you are bound to be disappointed.

I've decided the best way to get through this year is to think of being fortunate enough to see a talented young coach with a spotily talented young roster start out rough but gradually develop into a perennial powerhouse team. The players will learn. They will get better. Shanahan will learn and get better. If you are a 49er fan then you should consider yourself lucky to get to see it happen. It might be a fantasy but it may become true and either way thinking about it that way will sure make watching them play this season a lot more fun for me.

Go Niners!!!

Originally posted by 49erphan:

I think York might have initially just wanted to get the best coach he could, but even he probably has come to see hiring shanahan as an investment that could very well pay off big in the long term even if it gives poor returns in the form of wins early on. I think that's the plan - go for the long term value of installing a system that can take good players playing as a team and make a playoff contending team - sprinkle in a few All Pros and the right system can take you all the way. Every coach likes to believe they have that system but few get near the level of Walsh and Belichick. Shanahan may very well be one of those coaches who can create a system that cranks out post-season and potentially Super Bowl winning teams. But it takes time. If you don't look at York's investment in Shanahan as a long term investment but rather one with maximum short term return, then you are bound to be disappointed.

I've decided the best way to get through this year is to think of being fortunate enough to see a talented young coach with a spotily talented young roster start out rough but gradually develop into a perennial powerhouse team. The players will learn. They will get better. Shanahan will learn and get better. If you are a 49er fan then you should consider yourself lucky to get to see it happen. It might be a fantasy but it may become true and either way thinking about it that way will sure make watching them play this season a lot more fun for me.

This actually touched me.