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49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread
49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread
Nov 9, 2020 at 7:18 AM
- Seansf49
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it seems in the media and on this board there are two different boxes for Shanahan. One box is the talented play caller box where everyone falls in love with his play design and offense. Then there is the head coach box where his struggles as a head coach are blamed on personnel or injuries. Kyle seems to escape a lot of criticism from a HC standpoint due to his offense. When questioned on the HC portion, the goal posts seem to constantly move for him but in a way that defends him.
Nov 9, 2020 at 8:46 AM
- Joecool
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Originally posted by Seansf49:
it seems in the media and on this board there are two different boxes for Shanahan. One box is the talented play caller box where everyone falls in love with his play design and offense. Then there is the head coach box where his struggles as a head coach are blamed on personnel or injuries. Kyle seems to escape a lot of criticism from a HC standpoint due to his offense. When questioned on the HC portion, the goal posts seem to constantly move for him but in a way that defends him.
This year is just a weird year but in general, I think his micromanaging of the play design/execution is his own road block because it doesn't seem to allow for any flexibility by the QB.
For example, if he calls a play that is designed to go to Aiyuk after Kittle clears the space BUT it's man coverage and it may be better just to hit Bourne on a man to man matchup to send a statement to that DB...I don't think Kyle allows that.
[ Edited by Joecool on Nov 9, 2020 at 8:48 AM ]
Nov 9, 2020 at 8:52 AM
- 49AllTheTime
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Originally posted by Joecool:remember the days when Kaep wouldn't throw short.. the WZ is never happy
Originally posted by Seansf49:
it seems in the media and on this board there are two different boxes for Shanahan. One box is the talented play caller box where everyone falls in love with his play design and offense. Then there is the head coach box where his struggles as a head coach are blamed on personnel or injuries. Kyle seems to escape a lot of criticism from a HC standpoint due to his offense. When questioned on the HC portion, the goal posts seem to constantly move for him but in a way that defends him.
This year is just a weird year but in general, I think his micromanaging of the play design/execution is his own road block because it doesn't seem to allow for any flexibility by the QB.
For example, if he calls a play that is designed to go to Aiyuk after Kittle clears the space BUT it's man coverage and it may be better just to hit Bourne on a man to man matchup to send a statement to that DB...I don't think Kyle allows that.
Nov 9, 2020 at 9:02 AM
- Joecool
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Joecool:remember the days when Kaep wouldn't throw short.. the WZ is never happy
Originally posted by Seansf49:
it seems in the media and on this board there are two different boxes for Shanahan. One box is the talented play caller box where everyone falls in love with his play design and offense. Then there is the head coach box where his struggles as a head coach are blamed on personnel or injuries. Kyle seems to escape a lot of criticism from a HC standpoint due to his offense. When questioned on the HC portion, the goal posts seem to constantly move for him but in a way that defends him.
This year is just a weird year but in general, I think his micromanaging of the play design/execution is his own road block because it doesn't seem to allow for any flexibility by the QB.
For example, if he calls a play that is designed to go to Aiyuk after Kittle clears the space BUT it's man coverage and it may be better just to hit Bourne on a man to man matchup to send a statement to that DB...I don't think Kyle allows that.
Not saying Kyle is the problem. Just saying he isn't perfect either and maybe make some adjustments as well. One way doesn't work for every QB. Our OL is having major pass protection issues. How often has Kyle moved the pocket to help the QB on non play action calls?
Nov 9, 2020 at 9:05 AM
- Stanley
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Originally posted by Ark49er:
Shanahan messed up badly, he knows it, Lynch knows it, Peters knows it, Mayhew knows it, the head scout knows it, and Jed York knows it. It is Kyle Shanahan's fault that we don't have a dynamic play maker at QB like Mahomes or Watson. See this is the problem when you give the HC all the power over personnel. Kyle Shanahan has never ever been a HC until he took over the 49ers. He is a guy that has made a name for himself based off of his Daddy and that one year in Atlanta that ended with an embarrassing SB loss. Kyle never deserved this kind of control but to his credit he held York by the balls and wouldn't become the HC here without having ultimate control. He's a losing HC for a reason and that's his stubbornness to adapt and change. He's not on the same level as a Belichick,Tomlin, Carroll, Reid, or Payton. He passed on Mahomes and Watson because he didn't think either was intelligent enough to learn his offense( the old ways of thinking about how the NFL viewed certain QBs) and his love crush on a very overrated Kirk Cousins.
I don't trust this guy to make intelligent personnel decisions when it comes to QBs. If the dude falls in love with somebody we are in trouble based off his history of love affairs with guys like Cousins, Williams, Pettis, McKinnon, etc..
Then why was he mad when Lynch traded for Jimmy? HMmmmmmmm?
Nov 9, 2020 at 9:43 AM
- 49AllTheTime
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Originally posted by Joecool:He's moved the pocket and called more bootlegs last year with a healthy JG. People just don't understand how injured the 49ers are right now.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Joecool:remember the days when Kaep wouldn't throw short.. the WZ is never happy
Originally posted by Seansf49:
it seems in the media and on this board there are two different boxes for Shanahan. One box is the talented play caller box where everyone falls in love with his play design and offense. Then there is the head coach box where his struggles as a head coach are blamed on personnel or injuries. Kyle seems to escape a lot of criticism from a HC standpoint due to his offense. When questioned on the HC portion, the goal posts seem to constantly move for him but in a way that defends him.
This year is just a weird year but in general, I think his micromanaging of the play design/execution is his own road block because it doesn't seem to allow for any flexibility by the QB.
For example, if he calls a play that is designed to go to Aiyuk after Kittle clears the space BUT it's man coverage and it may be better just to hit Bourne on a man to man matchup to send a statement to that DB...I don't think Kyle allows that.
Not saying Kyle is the problem. Just saying he isn't perfect either and maybe make some adjustments as well. One way doesn't work for every QB. Our OL is having major pass protection issues. How often has Kyle moved the pocket to help the QB on non play action calls?
Nov 9, 2020 at 12:20 PM
- Rsrkshn
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Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by Rsrkshn:
Originally posted by FaTaL:
The failure is on shanahan, we all saw how terrible mullens and beatherd were before jimmy came aboard. 2 years later they still have the same backup qbs and now there really screwed. the saints last year had bridgewater as a backup, now they have winston. this team was not prepared for jimmy to be hurt again.
What's Lynch's role in all of this?
He seems to get all the adulation if things are looking rosy. But now it's all Shanahan's fault because the team has a defective roster.
He's a glorified Yes man....you have to realize he does what Kyle asks of him and not the other way around.
I do agree with what you say. I directed the question at the significant group of followers who make like Lynch is the architect of the Niners success.
He's just a stuffed shirt. Shanahan is young and inexperienced. Bright but immature. He needed an experienced wise head who understands personnel to complement the young HC. Lynch is not close to being that.
Ultimately it falls on ownership. In this case Jed. He's just not a leader or shrewd evaluator or people. A rich kid, raised with a silver spoon in his mouth. he's never been able to get it quite right.
Nov 10, 2020 at 4:40 PM
- GhostOfBaalke
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Does anyone else notice how much the playbook opens vertically when Beathard is on the field? That's because he's got the arm for it.
Once we get a QB that has even a slightly above average arm with touch, we'll get to see a 2016 Kyle Shanahan offense
Once we get a QB that has even a slightly above average arm with touch, we'll get to see a 2016 Kyle Shanahan offense
Nov 10, 2020 at 4:54 PM
- CJ75
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Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Does anyone else notice how much the playbook opens vertically when Beathard is on the field? That's because he's got the arm for it.
Once we get a QB that has even a slightly above average arm with touch, we'll get to see a 2016 Kyle Shanahan offense
Our WR's always appear different under a different QB, especially if you count Kittle as one. I pointed it out the other day, Jimmy doesn't have great chemistry with his receivers running their full routes. His passes are often late. Deebo & Aiyuk have shown frustration with Jimmy this season. Jimmy missed Kittle a ton in the superbowl. He rarely throws it deep and when he does, you hold your breath on his underthrows or it's blown coverage and they are wide open.
Not only does he have a noodle arm, I don't think Jimmy is as cerebral as people thought he was in 2017. He's restricted to short intermediate, screens, shovels, checkdowns, etc because he doesn't trust his receivers and Kyle doesn't trust him.
[ Edited by CJ75 on Nov 10, 2020 at 5:06 PM ]
Nov 10, 2020 at 4:54 PM
- Bellaleo
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Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:Does anyone else notice how much the playbook opens vertically when Beathard is on the field? That's because he's got the arm for it.
Once we get a QB that has even a slightly above average arm with touch, we'll get to see a 2016 Kyle Shanahan offense
Your lost bro
Nov 10, 2020 at 4:55 PM
- tohara3
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Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:Does anyone else notice how much the playbook opens vertically when Beathard is on the field? That's because he's got the arm for it.
Once we get a QB that has even a slightly above average arm with touch, we'll get to see a 2016 Kyle Shanahan offense
This. I want a young athletic QB with a strong arm on this team
Nov 10, 2020 at 5:03 PM
- tjd808185
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People need to understand that coaches like safe calls because if you bust on a rookie it's over. Jimmy/ Cousins were much safer choices and Shanny has already went to the SB and secured a 2nd contract with them. In hindsight yeah you'd take Mahomes over them but I doubt Shanny is regretting the choice.
Now we may have a chance to get more aggressive and I hope we do but there's no need to lose faith in him.
Now we may have a chance to get more aggressive and I hope we do but there's no need to lose faith in him.
Nov 10, 2020 at 5:41 PM
- JTB1974
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How would the Chiefs be doing if they didn't have Mahomes, Hill. Kelce, Helaire, Jones, Clark, Their #1 CB, #2 RB, Top two centers, and 3 or 4 other depth players. That's what the Niners have dealt with.
Nov 10, 2020 at 7:09 PM
- richterkbelmont
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Since Shanahan arrived the team lost that loser mentality from the Tomsula/Kelly years and started to play to compete. They started 2017 losing a bunch of close games, the roster was still terrible. But then they started to win some games.
The injury bug is the biggest issue for this team. Maybe it's the medical and conditioning staff, maybe Shanahan trainings, or just bad luck. But if the injuries weren't so bad, this is the best team in the NFL.
The Packers game was rock bottom with injuries and there's so much that Shanahan can do with an offense you'd put on the 4th quarter of preseason.
The injury bug is the biggest issue for this team. Maybe it's the medical and conditioning staff, maybe Shanahan trainings, or just bad luck. But if the injuries weren't so bad, this is the best team in the NFL.
The Packers game was rock bottom with injuries and there's so much that Shanahan can do with an offense you'd put on the 4th quarter of preseason.
Nov 11, 2020 at 7:24 AM
- mrbusinessman499
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