49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Lol it is his own fault for neglecting the QB position.

Traded a 2nd for Jimmy everyone and their mama thought he was the chosen one in here lol.

Lynch did. Shanny already said that he was surprised by that. Cousins was supposed to be a 49er in the off season.

Zero chance kyle wasn't on board with the Jimmy trade.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Can we just admit that Kyle's offense isn't a QB friendly offense? It is a RB friendly offense. Kyle's passing offense heavily restricts and micromanages a QB while at the same time being extremely complicated for a QB.

Matt Ryan though.

Julio bailed Ryan out a lot. And when the run-game wasn't working well, that offense struggled a lot. It's a RB friendly offense.

Kyle needs to be a little more flexible.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Can we just admit that Kyle's offense isn't a QB friendly offense? It is a RB friendly offense. Kyle's passing offense heavily restricts and micromanages a QB while at the same time being extremely complicated for a QB. Kyle's history has shown that he doesn't want a mobile QB because that "ruins" his play design.

Lol wut?

Matt Schaub had a pro-bowl season in Houston. Brian Hoyer had his best yr under Kyle in Cleveland. RG3 got OROY. Matt Ryan got an MVP...Do we honestly think Jimmy G is gonna turn into some all-pro when he leaves? Christ he made BDN some what serviceable

Nah this offense makes QBs better...Just so happens Kyle has been gifted with a bunch of subpar talent outside of one QB (who became an MVP).

I'm not even sure what people mean when they say "mobile QB" ? Are you talking about Lamar Jackson or Russell Wilson? They aren't the same thing.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Julio bailed Ryan out a lot. And when the run-game wasn't working well, that offense struggled a lot. It's a RB friendly offense.

Kyle needs to be a little more flexible.

Julio bailed out Matt Ryan a lot? Show me please.

Flexible like when RG3 was the QB?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Can we just admit that Kyle's offense isn't a QB friendly offense? It is a RB friendly offense. Kyle's passing offense heavily restricts and micromanages a QB while at the same time being extremely complicated for a QB. Kyle's history has shown that he doesn't want a mobile QB because that "ruins" his play design.

Lol wut?

Matt Schaub had a pro-bowl season in Houston. Brian Hoyer had his best yr under Kyle in Cleveland. RG3 got OROY. Matt Ryan got an MVP...Do we honestly think Jimmy G is gonna turn into some all-pro when he leaves? Christ he made BDN some what serviceable

Nah this offense makes QBs better...Just so happens Kyle has been gifted with a bunch of subpar talent outside of one QB (who became an MVP).

I'm not even sure what people mean when they say "mobile QB" ? Are you talking about Lamar Jackson or Russell Wilson? They aren't the same thing.

Either Kyle's offense is 'extremely complicated' or 'simple'. Only one of you is correct and the other is wrong. You two should argue over that. I'll watch.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

I actually believe we would have our 6th Lombardi right now if Kyle just stayed the f**k out of Draft Room and Free Agency.

Then you are nuts. We don't sniff the playoffs last year, let alone the SB, if Shanahan isn't a part of the personnel decisions of the last few years.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Lol it is his own fault for neglecting the QB position.

Traded a 2nd for Jimmy everyone and their mama thought he was the chosen one in here lol.

Lynch did. Shanny already said that he was surprised by that. Cousins was supposed to be a 49er in the off season.

It is well documented that Lynch and Shanahan discussed the JG trade before the move was made, and both considered it a risk worth taking. Shanny was surprised the opportunity came up since they had inquired in the 2017 offseason and were rejected, he was NOT surprised the trade went through as though mid season 2017 he was uninformed of it occurring.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Can we just admit that Kyle's offense isn't a QB friendly offense? It is a RB friendly offense. Kyle's passing offense heavily restricts and micromanages a QB while at the same time being extremely complicated for a QB. Kyle's history has shown that he doesn't want a mobile QB because that "ruins" his play design.

Lol wut?

Matt Schaub had a pro-bowl season in Houston. Brian Hoyer had his best yr under Kyle in Cleveland. RG3 got OROY. Matt Ryan got an MVP...Do we honestly think Jimmy G is gonna turn into some all-pro when he leaves? Christ he made BDN some what serviceable

Nah this offense makes QBs better...Just so happens Kyle has been gifted with a bunch of subpar talent outside of one QB (who became an MVP).

I'm not even sure what people mean when they say "mobile QB" ? Are you talking about Lamar Jackson or Russell Wilson? They aren't the same thing.

Either Kyle's offense is 'extremely complicated' or 'simple'. Only one of you is correct and the other is wrong. You two should argue over that. I'll watch.

It is extremely complicated but a QB that prepares can operate the offense. My beef is that Kyle's in-game flow with the passing attack has not been very good to the point where the QB just doesn't appear to be on a flow. Even JG's games where he racks up the stats, many of his throws appear to require a high level of difficulty and/or patience resulting in very little room for error which leads to Jimmy not getting on a nice flow.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

I don't have to answer it because unless you build that roster it's not your problem. Injuries happen/ some of it's bad luck/ but bringing in Reed to backup Kittle that's not bad luck. We all know how that plays out should Kittle get hurt and with his style of play that's certainly a risk.

And we passed on Mahomes with Brian Hoyer as our qb. No one is losing any credibility because it's a fact. Mahomes went 13th with KC trading away a ton to get him. It's not like he was some 4th round project. We just screwed the pooch on that one.

KC traded their first (27th), third and a future first to get to 10.

Houston traded their first (25th) and a future first to get to 12.

Not exactly a ton given up. Especially compared to some of the kings ransom we have seen given up by other teams to move up.

And Mahomes went 10th overall in a class where he wasn't the consensus top QB. If Buffalo knew then what it knows now, they would have rather had Mahomes over Allen. I'd bet given a do over, Payton and the Saints trade up to get Mahomes (they had the 11th pick that year) and even the Cards who sat at 13 would have looked to move up, and Keim could have never lived through the Rosen debacle.

Everybody missed on Mahomes save for the Chiefs. Just like everybody missed on Rodgers, not just Gruden. In hindsight I'd bet the Chargers wished they had ended up with Big Ben instead of Rivers or had kept Brees and traded Rivers.

Andy Reid took Foles in the 3rd round in 2012. But he could have had Russell Wilson instead of Mycal Kendricks in late round 2 or moved up for Wilson in the 3rd, yet he missed out. That move alone could have been career altering for Reid.

It just further shows their is no science to the QB position and finding the franchise changing QB.

Everybody misses.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Can we just admit that Kyle's offense isn't a QB friendly offense? It is a RB friendly offense. Kyle's passing offense heavily restricts and micromanages a QB while at the same time being extremely complicated for a QB. Kyle's history has shown that he doesn't want a mobile QB because that "ruins" his play design.

Lol wut?

Matt Schaub had a pro-bowl season in Houston. Brian Hoyer had his best yr under Kyle in Cleveland. RG3 got OROY. Matt Ryan got an MVP...Do we honestly think Jimmy G is gonna turn into some all-pro when he leaves? Christ he made BDN some what serviceable

Nah this offense makes QBs better...Just so happens Kyle has been gifted with a bunch of subpar talent outside of one QB (who became an MVP).

I'm not even sure what people mean when they say "mobile QB" ? Are you talking about Lamar Jackson or Russell Wilson? They aren't the same thing.

Either Kyle's offense is 'extremely complicated' or 'simple'. Only one of you is correct and the other is wrong. You two should argue over that. I'll watch.

It is extremely complicated but a QB that prepares can operate the offense. My beef is that Kyle's in-game flow with the passing attack has not been very good to the point where the QB just doesn't appear to be on a flow. Even JG's games where he racks up the stats, many of his throws appear to require a high level of difficulty and/or patience resulting in very little room for error which leads to Jimmy not getting on a nice flow.

That is very different from what some folks have said. How can we, as 49er fans that watch the same game, have such different views on the simplicity/complexity of the passing offense?

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by tjd808185:
I don't have to answer it because unless you build that roster it's not your problem. Injuries happen/ some of it's bad luck/ but bringing in Reed to backup Kittle that's not bad luck. We all know how that plays out should Kittle get hurt and with his style of play that's certainly a risk.

And we passed on Mahomes with Brian Hoyer as our qb. No one is losing any credibility because it's a fact. Mahomes went 13th with KC trading away a ton to get him. It's not like he was some 4th round project. We just screwed the pooch on that one.

KC traded their first (27th), third and a future first to get to 10.

Houston traded their first (25th) and a future first to get to 12.

Not exactly a ton given up. Especially compared to some of the kings ransom we have seen given up by other teams to move up.

And Mahomes went 10th overall in a class where he wasn't the consensus top QB. If Buffalo knew then what it knows now, they would have rather had Mahomes over Allen. I'd bet given a do over, Payton and the Saints trade up to get Mahomes (they had the 11th pick that year) and even the Cards who sat at 13 would have looked to move up, and Keim could have never lived through the Rosen debacle.

Everybody missed on Mahomes save for the Chiefs. Just like everybody missed on Rodgers, not just Gruden. In hindsight I'd bet the Chargers wished they had ended up with Big Ben instead of Rivers or had kept Brees and traded Rivers.

Andy Reid took Foles in the 3rd round in 2012. But he could have had Russell Wilson instead of Mycal Kendricks in late round 2 or moved up for Wilson in the 3rd, yet he missed out. That move alone could have been career altering for Reid.

It just further shows their is no science to the QB position and finding the franchise changing QB.

Everybody misses.

Bingo! It's easy to play revisionist or captain hindsight here, but luck plays a huge factor in all of this. If Jimmy continued to ball out, we would not be having this conversation.

Originally posted by thl408:

Either Kyle's offense is 'extremely complicated' or 'simple'. Only one of you is correct and the other is wrong. You two should argue over that. I'll watch.

That has nothing to do with what I just said

I mean if only we'd have Julio Jones...Jimmy would be winning MVPs apparently

Originally posted by Joecool:

It is extremely complicated but a QB that prepares can operate the offense. My beef is that Kyle's in-game flow with the passing attack has not been very good to the point where the QB just doesn't appear to be on a flow. Even JG's games where he racks up the stats, many of his throws appear to require a high level of difficulty and/or patience resulting in very little room for error which leads to Jimmy not getting on a nice flow.

Complicated compared to what?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by thl408:
Either Kyle's offense is 'extremely complicated' or 'simple'. Only one of you is correct and the other is wrong. You two should argue over that. I'll watch.

That has nothing to do with what I just said

I mean if only we'd have Julio Jones...Jimmy would be winning MVPs apparently

It has to do with what you were saying last week. I don't know what you said today. I'm just trying to start a fight between you and JoeCool - simple vs complex offense.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Joecool:
It is extremely complicated but a QB that prepares can operate the offense. My beef is that Kyle's in-game flow with the passing attack has not been very good to the point where the QB just doesn't appear to be on a flow. Even JG's games where he racks up the stats, many of his throws appear to require a high level of difficulty and/or patience resulting in very little room for error which leads to Jimmy not getting on a nice flow.

Complicated compared to what?

Yeah, complicated compared to what?