49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

Originally posted by BillRing49:

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:
lol Shanahan has already lost as many regular season games as Harbaugh did his entire first year here. Our last 3 coaches, including Shanahan, have not won as many games as Harbaugh did in his worst season COMBINED. Yet, everyone seems to hate Harbaugh here. Makes no sense.

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Harbaugh walked into a great situation roster wise. Why do people not see that?

Because they're stupid.

The facts are that he took a team that was 6-10 the year before and hadn't been to the playoffs in 9 years and took them to 3 straight NFC Championships and a SuperBowl. He went 8-8 the year he was fired during the season. After he left, the team went 5-11 then 2-14 and now 0-3. Results are what matter. The rest is just speculation and opinion.

The facts? Our 2010 roster was full of talent. The 2016 roster was not. Denying this is dumb.

In retrospect it was full of talent. When Harbaugh took over, there was no one who thought he could take that roster to the NFC Championship. People picked against us all year. That is what made the wins so sweet. Whether the roster was talented or not, they didn't win before and they had a losing culture. It takes more than talent to win. Turning around a losing culture usually takes time. With Harbaugh, it is pretty much instantaneous. Just look at Stanford. Supposedly no one could win at Stanford, academic standards were too high, etc. Michigan was turned around year 1. Denying the record of that man is dumb.

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

Harbaugh picked a poor passer to start at QB and lost our only superbowl with a stacked defense. He inherited a stacked defense and crafted a ball control/run heavy offense (relying on Greg Roman).

It took years of early draft picks to build that roster. Acting like Shanahan and Lynch walked into the same situation is just dumb. It's a dumb thing to say. A box of rocks could offer more football insight compared to that statement. Something like that is 100% disconnected from reality.

In fact, Harbaugh never would've taken the job if the 2010 49ers were the same as the 2016 49ers. He knew exactly what he was walking into. So did ShanaLynch, which is why they got six year contracts. Only a total ______ would think we can turn this around in one offseason.

It's not happening till at least mid 2018 when we get a lot more talent on this team. Till they learn the new systems. What reasonable people are looking for now is improvement from specific players that should be here long term. Mostly young guys on defense. The offense will look totally different in 2018 after the draft/free agency.

Have some god damn patience.

So true

Originally posted by Follower:

KS has some potential.... Nothing wrong with also saying that McVay is very impressive and that the 49ers might have missed on him.

Mcvay inherited a #1 overall pick at QB and built the deepest WR group in the NFL because the Rams had already built their defense. Also, the Rams were not the worst team in football last year.

The Rams underperformed on offense largley because of Jeff Fisher and a lack of offensive minds. Their offense looks good this year because the talent and coaching is there. We lack talent on offense right now and still hung with them yesterday. Even with Hoyer almost throwing a pick-6 the first play of the game. We gave them a 7 point lead after 13 seconds. If that didn't happen we win. If the ref didn't call offensive PI we win.

We almost won that game with a bridge QB, poor o-line and one good WR.

The only crying that makes sense after yesterday's game is the fact we couldn't generate a pass rush. This is going to be a major need in 2018 along with QB, WR and o-line.

It's hard to judge our CB's when there's no pass rush. Give any number of QB's five seconds to pass and they'll carve you up. Our LB's gave up some big passing plays because Foster is out. We were also missing our star safety.

I was pleased with our defense first two games and pleased with our offense yesterday. This is a newborn baby of a team. People need to lower expectations and save their HARSH criticism for 2018 after we have an opportunity to get more talent on the team.

Originally posted by BillRing49:

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

Originally posted by BillRing49:

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:
lol Shanahan has already lost as many regular season games as Harbaugh did his entire first year here. Our last 3 coaches, including Shanahan, have not won as many games as Harbaugh did in his worst season COMBINED. Yet, everyone seems to hate Harbaugh here. Makes no sense.

TrumpWrong.gif

Harbaugh walked into a great situation roster wise. Why do people not see that?

Because they're stupid.

The facts are that he took a team that was 6-10 the year before and hadn't been to the playoffs in 9 years and took them to 3 straight NFC Championships and a SuperBowl. He went 8-8 the year he was fired during the season. After he left, the team went 5-11 then 2-14 and now 0-3. Results are what matter. The rest is just speculation and opinion.

The facts? Our 2010 roster was full of talent. The 2016 roster was not. Denying this is dumb.

In retrospect it was full of talent. When Harbaugh took over, there was no one who thought he could take that roster to the NFC Championship. People picked against us all year. That is what made the wins so sweet. Whether the roster was talented or not, they didn't win before and they had a losing culture. It takes more than talent to win. Turning around a losing culture usually takes time. With Harbaugh, it is pretty much instantaneous. Just look at Stanford. Supposedly no one could win at Stanford, academic standards were too high, etc. Michigan was turned around year 1. Denying the record of that man is dumb.

Who's denying what Harbaugh accomplished? No one is saying he failed to coach up the talent that he inherited. We're just saying that talent had far higher ceilings to be coached up to by a quality coach (which Harbaugh was) then the potential talent on the roster Shanahan has inherited.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by BillRing49:

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

Originally posted by BillRing49:

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:
lol Shanahan has already lost as many regular season games as Harbaugh did his entire first year here. Our last 3 coaches, including Shanahan, have not won as many games as Harbaugh did in his worst season COMBINED. Yet, everyone seems to hate Harbaugh here. Makes no sense.

TrumpWrong.gif

Harbaugh walked into a great situation roster wise. Why do people not see that?

Because they're stupid.

The facts are that he took a team that was 6-10 the year before and hadn't been to the playoffs in 9 years and took them to 3 straight NFC Championships and a SuperBowl. He went 8-8 the year he was fired during the season. After he left, the team went 5-11 then 2-14 and now 0-3. Results are what matter. The rest is just speculation and opinion.

The facts? Our 2010 roster was full of talent. The 2016 roster was not. Denying this is dumb.

In retrospect it was full of talent. When Harbaugh took over, there was no one who thought he could take that roster to the NFC Championship. People picked against us all year. That is what made the wins so sweet. Whether the roster was talented or not, they didn't win before and they had a losing culture. It takes more than talent to win. Turning around a losing culture usually takes time. With Harbaugh, it is pretty much instantaneous. Just look at Stanford. Supposedly no one could win at Stanford, academic standards were too high, etc. Michigan was turned around year 1. Denying the record of that man is dumb.

Who's denying what Harbaugh accomplished? No one is saying he failed to coach up the talent that he inherited. We're just saying that talent had far higher ceilings to be coached up to by a quality coach (which Harbaugh was) then the potential talent on the roster Shanahan has inherited.

And I am saying that is a matter of opinion. The facts are the record. Talent is speculation. If talent was an exact quantity that could be measured, the draft would be much less interesting and every guy picked in the first round would be great and every guy picked in the late rounds wouldn't make the team. That being said, I don't think the greatness of Harbaugh matters much now. We are far enough past that debacle that Shanahan should be judged on his own and not against Harbaugh's shadow. We went from being a tough place to coach because everybody was compared to Walsh to being a tough place to coach because everyone is compared to Harbaugh. We are not going reach the consistency of the Harbaugh regime for a long time if ever. Judging all coaches against that standard is unfair to them.

Originally posted by BillRing49:

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

Originally posted by BillRing49:

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:

lol Shanahan has already lost as many regular season games as Harbaugh did his entire first year here. Our last 3 coaches, including Shanahan, have not won as many games as Harbaugh did in his worst season COMBINED. Yet, everyone seems to hate Harbaugh here. Makes no sense.

TrumpWrong.gif

Harbaugh walked into a great situation roster wise. Why do people not see that?

Because they're stupid.

The facts are that he took a team that was 6-10 the year before and hadn't been to the playoffs in 9 years and took them to 3 straight NFC Championships and a SuperBowl. He went 8-8 the year he was fired during the season. After he left, the team went 5-11 then 2-14 and now 0-3. Results are what matter. The rest is just speculation and opinion.

The facts? Our 2010 roster was full of talent. The 2016 roster was not. Denying this is dumb.

In retrospect it was full of talent. When Harbaugh took over, there was no one who thought he could take that roster to the NFC Championship. People picked against us all year. That is what made the wins so sweet. Whether the roster was talented or not, they didn't win before and they had a losing culture. It takes more than talent to win. Turning around a losing culture usually takes time. With Harbaugh, it is pretty much instantaneous. Just look at Stanford. Supposedly no one could win at Stanford, academic standards were too high, etc. Michigan was turned around year 1. Denying the record of that man is dumb.

Comparing Shanahan's 2017 situation to Harbaugh's 2011 situation is dumb. If you were expecting ShanaLynch to turn this team around in the same speedy manner as 2011 then I can't help you. You simply don't understand football.

Football is such a crazy game. In soccer, you can play 2-3 scrimmages a week and then go play a game that counts on Sunday. Football gets none of that and there is no substitution for the real game environment against various styles of opponents. At the end of the day, this new 53 has play just 3 games together.

... baby steps and expect a few stumbles along the way.

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

Comparing Shanahan's 2017 situation to Harbaugh's 2011 situation is dumb. If you were expecting ShanaLynch to turn this team around in the same speedy manner as 2011 then I can't help you. You simply don't understand football.

Agreed...they could not be more different.

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

Originally posted by BillRing49:

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:

lol Shanahan has already lost as many regular season games as Harbaugh did his entire first year here. Our last 3 coaches, including Shanahan, have not won as many games as Harbaugh did in his worst season COMBINED. Yet, everyone seems to hate Harbaugh here. Makes no sense.

TrumpWrong.gif

Harbaugh walked into a great situation roster wise. Why do people not see that?

Because they're stupid.

The facts are that he took a team that was 6-10 the year before and hadn't been to the playoffs in 9 years and took them to 3 straight NFC Championships and a SuperBowl. He went 8-8 the year he was fired during the season. After he left, the team went 5-11 then 2-14 and now 0-3. Results are what matter. The rest is just speculation and opinion.

The facts? Our 2010 roster was full of talent. The 2016 roster was not. Denying this is dumb.

Clearly. The 2010 defense and current roster D are night and day. And people are blaming Shanahan lol.

This has been 49ercrackheadzone lately.

Shanny is the real deal has these guys playing competitive and going into the offseason we have the most money to spend its going to be a quick rebuild as long as we get the right QB

Originally posted by NCommand:
Football is such a crazy game. In soccer, you can play 2-3 scrimmages a week and then go play a game that counts on Sunday. Football gets none of that and there is no substitution for the real game environment against various styles of opponents. At the end of the day, this new 53 has play just 3 games together.

... baby steps and expect a few stumbles along the way.

Well the good news is we have the Colts coming up soon

Yeah whoever thought this was going to be a 2011 turn around, they are smkoing some good weed. That harbaugh team was stacked

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Football is such a crazy game. In soccer, you can play 2-3 scrimmages a week and then go play a game that counts on Sunday. Football gets none of that and there is no substitution for the real game environment against various styles of opponents. At the end of the day, this new 53 has play just 3 games together.

... baby steps and expect a few stumbles along the way.

Well the good news is we have the Colts coming up soon

With our luck, Luck will be healthy and ready to go right when it's time to play us.

Originally posted by NoelC:

Yeah whoever thought this was going to be a 2011 turn around, they are smkoing some good weed. That harbaugh team was stacked

I predicted six wins this year. Some called me an optimist for predicting that, even.

What you saw last night was a young John Gruden vs a young Norv Turner.... both great football minds, but with different ceilings.