49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

Originally posted by tohara3:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Football is such a crazy game. In soccer, you can play 2-3 scrimmages a week and then go play a game that counts on Sunday. Football gets none of that and there is no substitution for the real game environment against various styles of opponents. At the end of the day, this new 53 has play just 3 games together.

... baby steps and expect a few stumbles along the way.

I am very patient & also very excited to see where the progress of this team is at the last 4 or 5 weeks of the season! Not only the players but also the coaches & both systems on both sides of the ball

Damn right! I'm rewatching the game now and this REAL offensive gives me a hetero football boner. (After Chryst and Kelly this is night and day scheme wise) As far as personnel I'm big on Garcon and Taylor. These two guys will be on our squad for a few years. Goodwin still has much to prove but we need a big/tall guy opposite Garcon with Taylor in the slot. Goodwin may stick around as a deep threat if he can catch more balls this year.

Scheme wise it's there. Biggest issue so far this year has been blocking and Hoyer/Goodwin in the first two games but as the season goes on our guys will gel more. IMO (on offense) we'll be going after QB, gaurd and WR in the 2018 draft/free agency.

I expect a couple more offensive stinkers like the first two games but I also expect some high flying offense when our line blocks and Hoyer is on. Shanahan isn't the issue on offense it's the lack of talent.

I don't think we need to worry about our offense long term. We'll get a QB, WR and blockers by 2018. Only thing I'm worried about this year is our defense. I want to see them vastly improve against the run this year. I don't think we'll see a good pass rush manifest this year. We need an edge rusher. Bad. We need Foster in there running sideline to sideline. He just has that "it" factor when he's on the field.

I think we win 3-4 games this year. My ideal scenerio would be 2 wins but while being very competitive on defense. We need a QB big time and Darnold/Rosen will be within reach if we're drafting top 2 so a bad record wont bother me at all this year.

Or if we land Cousins we'll have a first rounder to spend on a pass rusher. No matter what happens we're in a position to drastically improve in 2018 (five draft picks within the first three rounds and 100 million in cap space).

People just need to be patient.

On defense, if we had that edge rusher - that will pretty much elevate this defense to top quarter even with all the DB issues we have. I'd love to have more depth on defense, because that will set us up for a future championship run. On offense, I like the progress and the fact that we're scoring TD's now instead of field goals. The two positions I'd love to have more talent in via draft is if course QB and WR. I don't think we need Cousins if Hoyer continues to improve and BeatHard is improving (from what Kyle says) then we can spend the cap space and draft capital on a top 2018 drafted QB and more talent on offense and defense.

Originally posted by Polkadots:

The following is what you said in another thread, to which I have consistently responded is useless as it ignores context (doesn't consider the dumpster fire that is the offenses the 49ers faced in week one and two) and the sample size is too small. Even after three weeks all one can do, with absolute accuracy, is make comparisons to previous weeks / years...and speculate:

I mean, the most important thing in 2017 is getting this defense back on track and so far we're on that path.
Offense will come along when we get better players. We're going to take stock of what we have this year and address needs in the 2018 draft/free agency.
ENJOY the rebuild for crying out loud. Stop being butthurt because Kaepernick is gone. That's the only reason I can think of here. Seeing these people whine like this.
The best possible scenerio is that our defense plays well but we still end up with a good draft position. 2018 is going to be a much better QB class.
Go watch the Browns or Texans if you have a Watson/Kizer fetish. I'll be over here ENJOYING the rebuilding process.

As I said then, there was nothing to support your claim. The 49ers' defense was playing offenses, that at the time, were inept (at best). Your conclusion that the defense was back on track was utterly unsupportable. And then, after week three, it turned out to be woefully inaccurate.

Without even touching the single game stats I posted in the other thread, the current 49ers' defense ranks 25th in rush YPG, 15th in pass YPG, 22nd in total YPG, and finally 27th in points per game. Now, I won't ignore context like you do. I fully acknowledge the 49ers' offense has screwed them over. And consistently so. Injuries have hit the 49ers hard as well. But, that being said, there is nothing to support your claim that the defense is on the right track (comparing week to week - year to year is an apples to oranges comparison).

Regurgitating that it's a rebuild year in every thread doesn't change anything. Everyone here understands that. That thing you mentioned earlier...objectivity...well, here it is good sir, in spades. Feel free to try it.

What about the context that there are 13 more games to play?

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

Originally posted by Follower:
KS has some potential.... Nothing wrong with also saying that McVay is very impressive and that the 49ers might have missed on him.

Mcvay inherited a #1 overall pick at QB and built the deepest WR group in the NFL because the Rams had already built their defense. Also, the Rams were not the worst team in football last year.

The Rams underperformed on offense largley because of Jeff Fisher and a lack of offensive minds. Their offense looks good this year because the talent and coaching is there. We lack talent on offense right now and still hung with them yesterday. Even with Hoyer almost throwing a pick-6 the first play of the game. We gave them a 7 point lead after 13 seconds. If that didn't happen we win. If the ref didn't call offensive PI we win.

We almost won that game with a bridge QB, poor o-line and one good WR.

The only crying that makes sense after yesterday's game is the fact we couldn't generate a pass rush. This is going to be a major need in 2018 along with QB, WR and o-line.

It's hard to judge our CB's when there's no pass rush. Give any number of QB's five seconds to pass and they'll carve you up. Our LB's gave up some big passing plays because Foster is out. We were also missing our star safety.

I was pleased with our defense first two games and pleased with our offense yesterday. This is a newborn baby of a team. People need to lower expectations and save their HARSH criticism for 2018 after we have an opportunity to get more talent on the team.

The rams situation reminds me a little bit of the similarities of our 2011 season - an offensive mind like Harbaugh taking over a defensive mind like Singletary. (McVay and Fisher) Harbaugh took us to the playoffs, it remains to be seen if McVay can do the same with the Rams.

As for us, if we can put together both sides of the ball, then we just might start winning some games. I hope John Lynch's scouts are hard at work looking at next years talent and seeing who can come in and help this ball club next year. This next game is another test of where the 49ers are offensively and defensively.

Originally posted by FL9er:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Shanahan's first shot at being a HC and now compared to Norv Turner? Norv had several chances to show his HCing ability and it never measured up to his ability as an OC. Let's at least give Kyle time to demonstrate...SOMETHING! LOL!

Stop listening to Grant Cohn......err "Follower."

Don't read Cohn...either one...but can't say the same about the zone posters. Oh well, what doesn't kill you...

Originally posted by FL9er:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Shanahan's first shot at being a HC and now compared to Norv Turner? Norv had several chances to show his HCing ability and it never measured up to his ability as an OC. Let's at least give Kyle time to demonstrate...SOMETHING! LOL!

Stop listening to Grant Cohn......err "Follower."

Originally posted by Giedi:

The rams situation reminds me a little bit of the similarities of our 2011 season - an offensive mind like Harbaugh taking over a defensive mind like Singletary. (McVay and Fisher) Harbaugh took us to the playoffs, it remains to be seen if McVay can do the same with the Rams.

Yeah, that's closer but Jim still had a full veteran squad that was self-governing. The Rams are still incredibly young and you can still see that undiscipline. But like the 9ers, there's no question on the talent and depth. If McVay gets them to the playoffs, he'll have done one hell of a coaching job in year 1 IMHO.

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

LOL yesterdays game moved the 49ers up to the 23rd offense. Sweet, not last anymore!!!!

It was actually fun watching a 49ers game for once.

Wait....but that's when we've played 3 games and they've all played 2.....

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
LOL yesterdays game moved the 49ers up to the 23rd offense. Sweet, not last anymore!!!!

It was actually fun watching a 49ers game for once.

Wait....but that's when we've played 3 games and they've all played 2.....

I still don't think the 49ers will be last though. No way Houston, Indy or Jets put up more than 400 like we just did!!!

Oh and frickin Rams are 6.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:
The rams situation reminds me a little bit of the similarities of our 2011 season - an offensive mind like Harbaugh taking over a defensive mind like Singletary. (McVay and Fisher) Harbaugh took us to the playoffs, it remains to be seen if McVay can do the same with the Rams.

Yeah, that's closer but Jim still had a full veteran squad that was self-governing. The Rams are still incredibly young and you can still see that undiscipline. But like the 9ers, there's no question on the talent and depth. If McVay gets them to the playoffs, he'll have done one hell of a coaching job in year 1 IMHO.

It's funny how both West Coast head coaches share such a history with the 49ers. No doubt the rams are more talented. Just look at our QB situation with Goff vs. Hoyer. Now if we manage to make Hoyer serviceable and BeatHard the QB of the future, I still want ShanaLynch choosing a QB in 2018. I don't know if McVay has the same power that Kyle has here, and I think that's going to be key to his success. I think Kyle is in the right structure, where he can make all the football decisions and be accountable to the owner, whereas McVay I think is beholden to the GM and won't have veto powers over the GM's draft decisions. If McVay has a relationship like the Harbaugh Baalke relationship with his GM - their success will be short lived, if there is any success at all. He's awfully young for a coach and he doesn't have a Super Bowl winning coach and father to lean on if he gets in trouble.

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

You cross the insult Rubicon when you start a conversation by saying I'm full of s**t then move on to imaginary posts I allegedly made.

The following is what you said in another thread, to which I have consistently responded is useless as it ignores context (doesn't consider the dumpster fire that is the offenses the 49ers faced in week one and two) and the sample size is too small. Even after three weeks all one can do, with absolute accuracy, is make comparisons to previous weeks / years...and speculate:

I mean, the most important thing in 2017 is getting this defense back on track and so far we're on that path.
Offense will come along when we get better players. We're going to take stock of what we have this year and address needs in the 2018 draft/free agency.
ENJOY the rebuild for crying out loud. Stop being butthurt because Kaepernick is gone. That's the only reason I can think of here. Seeing these people whine like this.
The best possible scenerio is that our defense plays well but we still end up with a good draft position. 2018 is going to be a much better QB class.
Go watch the Browns or Texans if you have a Watson/Kizer fetish. I'll be over here ENJOYING the rebuilding process.

As I said then, there was nothing to support your claim. The 49ers' defense was playing offenses, that at the time, were inept (at best). Your conclusion that the defense was back on track was utterly unsupportable. And then, after week three, it turned out to be woefully inaccurate.

Without even touching the single game stats I posted in the other thread, the current 49ers' defense ranks 25th in rush YPG, 15th in pass YPG, 22nd in total YPG, and finally 27th in points per game. Now, I won't ignore context like you do. I fully acknowledge the 49ers' offense has screwed them over. And consistently so. Injuries have hit the 49ers hard as well. But, that being said, there is nothing to support your claim that the defense is on the right track (comparing week to week - year to year is an apples to oranges comparison).

Regurgitating that it's a rebuild year in every thread doesn't change anything. Everyone here understands that. That thing you mentioned earlier...objectivity...well, here it is good sir, in spades. Feel free to try it.

There's absolutely nothing in LP's post claiming that the defense had arrived after the first two games. Being on the right track (which they are relative to last year) is not mean he thinks it's a finished product by any means.

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Harbaugh walked into a great situation roster wise. Why do people not see that?

What does it matter if he did come into a good roster? You need talent to win in this league, no matter who your coach is. He had a talented roster and he won a lot of games with it. Lots of coaches have talented rosters and still can't win. We may even have a good roster now and not know it. Nobody thought our roster was all that great when Singletary was the head coach either, but when Harbaugh came suddenly the roster was amazing.

This. Well said, and accurate.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Yeah, that's closer but Jim still had a full veteran squad that was self-governing. The Rams are still incredibly young and you can still see that undiscipline. But like the 9ers, there's no question on the talent and depth. If McVay gets them to the playoffs, he'll have done one hell of a coaching job in year 1 IMHO.

Much easier to lean on a great defense to carry you. Outscoring everyone is a tough gig to do consistently.

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Harbaugh walked into a great situation roster wise. Why do people not see that?

What does it matter if he did come into a good roster? You need talent to win in this league, no matter who your coach is. He had a talented roster and he won a lot of games with it. Lots of coaches have talented rosters and still can't win. We may even have a good roster now and not know it. Nobody thought our roster was all that great when Singletary was the head coach either, but when Harbaugh came suddenly the roster was amazing.

Harbaugh picked a poor passer to start at QB and lost our only superbowl with a stacked defense. He inherited a stacked defense and crafted a ball control/run heavy offense (relying on Greg Roman).

It took years of early draft picks to build that roster. Acting like Shanahan and Lynch walked into the same situation is just dumb. It's a dumb thing to say. A box of rocks could offer more football insight compared to that statement. Something like that is 100% disconnected from reality.

In fact, Harbaugh never would've taken the job if the 2010 49ers were the same as the 2016 49ers. He knew exactly what he was walking into. So did ShanaLynch, which is why they got six year contracts. Only a total ______ would think we can turn this around in one offseason.

It's not happening till at least mid 2018 when we get a lot more talent on this team. Till they learn the new systems. What reasonable people are looking for now is improvement from specific players that should be here long term. Mostly young guys on defense. The offense will look totally different in 2018 after the draft/free agency.

Have some god damn patience.

That's an emotional response to a factual post. I don't think any right-minded fan is advocating that shanny be fired, but we all need to be honest with ourselves in that Jedi has no clue what to look for in a head coach or gm. His track record speaks for itself so a little skepticism is not only healthy, but also rational.

Originally posted by Bali-Niner:

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:
lol Shanahan has already lost as many regular season games as Harbaugh did his entire first year here. Our last 3 coaches, including Shanahan, have not won as many games as Harbaugh did in his worst season COMBINED. Yet, everyone seems to hate Harbaugh here. Makes no sense.

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Harbaugh walked into a great situation roster wise. Why do people not see that?

Because they're stupid.

Spot on brotha, spot on...

And they wont admit it either lol.

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

Originally posted by BillRing49:

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:
lol Shanahan has already lost as many regular season games as Harbaugh did his entire first year here. Our last 3 coaches, including Shanahan, have not won as many games as Harbaugh did in his worst season COMBINED. Yet, everyone seems to hate Harbaugh here. Makes no sense.

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Harbaugh walked into a great situation roster wise. Why do people not see that?

Because they're stupid.

The facts are that he took a team that was 6-10 the year before and hadn't been to the playoffs in 9 years and took them to 3 straight NFC Championships and a SuperBowl. He went 8-8 the year he was fired during the season. After he left, the team went 5-11 then 2-14 and now 0-3. Results are what matter. The rest is just speculation and opinion.

The facts? Our 2010 roster was full of talent. The 2016 roster was not. Denying this is dumb.

Fact - everyone hated Alex Smith until Harbaugh arrived. Harbaugh changed that. Andy Reid continued it. Assessing the talent on the roster with the benefit of hindsight is disingenuous.