49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by captveg:

I don't think York necessarily wanted to be on the middle between Harbaugh and Baalke, at least to the degree it evolved into. When one has to pick sides one can pick wrongly, and he did by backing up Baalke. Which I can understand since he knew Baalke much longer. By the time Kelly and Baalke were needing mediation mid last season he certainly didn't want to be in that role again, hence the emphasis on the GM/HC relationship this off season.

I Agree. but Jed picked wrong, and for that, I'm pissed at him.

Well, at least Baalke is gone. His poor choices still haunt this team though. So many poor drafts, so many poor head coaches. So much drama and discord.

Lynch brings a whole new vibe. I like his personality but more importantly I like his knowledge on the defensive side of the ball. I think it's a great mix for Shanahan's offensive knowledge. A great one-two punch both for drafts and building an overall philosophy.

I'm going to give it till at least mid 2018, probably the end of 2018 before I harshly judge the new regime.

The 2018 draft/free agency will make or break their 49er careers IMO. What we do at QB will be a big part of that but we also need blockers, a WR and pass rusher.

Good news is the Saints are sucking so far. We may end up with a pretty good second rounder from them. One first, two seconds and two thirds will go a LONG way in addressing needs.

Thus far I like the 2017 draft. Thomas needs to get going but Foster, Kittle and Taylor seem like ballers. Beathard seems like a decent backup as of now, he could be better, who knows?

What's going on with Witherspoon?

Shanahan may take more time to develop the team than Harbaugh but he isn't as likely to burn bridges. So, for the long term, he may be a perfect coach for this team. I love the offense he will install and Saleh may be a perfect fit at DC. Not many expected wins this year so we shouldn't be disappointed. The games have all been interesting...either defensively or offensively. Now they need to keep developing and seeing who are the keepers versus who needs to be replaced.

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by captveg:
I don't think York necessarily wanted to be on the middle between Harbaugh and Baalke, at least to the degree it evolved into. When one has to pick sides one can pick wrongly, and he did by backing up Baalke. Which I can understand since he knew Baalke much longer. By the time Kelly and Baalke were needing mediation mid last season he certainly didn't want to be in that role again, hence the emphasis on the GM/HC relationship this off season.

I Agree. but Jed picked wrong, and for that, I'm pissed at him.

Well, at least Baalke is gone. His poor choices still haunt this team though. So many poor drafts, so many poor head coaches. So much drama and discord.

Lynch brings a whole new vibe. I like his personality but more importantly I like his knowledge on the defensive side of the ball. I think it's a great mix for Shanahan's offensive knowledge. A great one-two punch both for drafts and building an overall philosophy.

I'm going to give it till at least mid 2018, probably the end of 2018 before I harshly judge the new regime.

The 2018 draft/free agency will make or break their 49er careers IMO. What we do at QB will be a big part of that but we also need blockers, a WR and pass rusher.

Good news is the Saints are sucking so far. We may end up with a pretty good second rounder from them. One first, two seconds and two thirds will go a LONG way in addressing needs.

Thus far I like the 2017 draft. Thomas needs to get going but Foster, Kittle and Taylor seem like ballers. Beathard seems like a decent backup as of now, he could be better, who knows?

What's going on with Witherspoon?

Our 1979 draft was probably the best if not one of the best drafts ever. Then you have to put in that category the 1986 draft. The 2017 draft, we won't know for a while, but I'm hoping it's another 1979 draft.

So far this years draft significantly upgraded both sides of the ball from last year. That's more than I could have hoped for. As for John, he's trying to recreate the tampa two defense he played in during his super bowl run, and Kyle is trying to recreate his Atlanta offense that resulted in his super bowl run.

As for Witherspoon, I think this is the problem.[keep in mind the tampa two and the 4-3 under are schematically similar in design and philosophy]
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/297094-the-tampa-two-era-is-over-in-the-nfl

Quarterbacks and offensive coaches have had over a decade to study the Tampa Two, and the increased use of slot receivers, trips formation, bunch formations, wheel routes, wide receiver screens, and explosive tight ends have become banes of Tampa Two defenses.

The weaknesses of the scheme have been badly exposed over the last 14 years, the side line is often unguarded and the middle of the field is still venerable even with the middle linebacker covering deep. Any modern NFL Quarterback worth his salt can find these classic soft spots in his sleep. And combine the new offensive plans with the new wave of explosive, pass catching tight ends like Dallas Clark and Antonio Gates and the middle linebacker is now normally insufficient in coverage.

To compound problems defenses that use the Tampa Two are far too reliant on a single star defensive lineman to help create havoc up front and draw double teams. If lost, often the defense will struggle mightily because the opposing quarterback will have a secure pocket to survey the field.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Heh, I found some articles on how difficult he could be. Too bad Jed wasn't a stronger personality to handle Jim's quirks. Oh well, I think Kyle's personality probably fits better with Jed's personality. Key is that if Jed trusts Kyle and Likes Kyle, that will go a long way to having a successful relationship with his head coach and whether his head coach will have good success. Continuity is the key and if Jed and Kyle like and trust each other, the long term success of the ShanaLynch program has a much higher chance of coming to reality.

Jim's quirkiness on display....

Harbaugh is an early riser, a believer that mornings are a time for labor. And so last fall it wasn't shocking to those who know him well that several times he showed up in the office of San Francisco 49ers CEO Jed York at just past daybreak wanting to resolve an issue right now this very second.
[...]
Midway through last season, 49ers general manager Trent Baalke called a staffer on another team. At the time, San Francisco's season was falling apart—the Niners would finish 8-8—and Baalke's relationship with Harbaugh had frayed to the extent that the two were known to ride elevators together in silence and not make eye contact.
"I just can't deal with Jim anymore," Baalke told his friend, a veteran front-office employee of an NFL team who relayed the conversation to Bleacher Report. "This guy is a nut. Every day he's b***hing at me about something new. It's this, it's that. He's wearing all of us out. He's grinding us down."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2555507-why-jim-harbaugh-and-michigan-may-not-live-happily-ever-after

Harbaugh's personality can wear on people. A former NFL teammate told Anderson:

"You can't even have long meetings with him because his mind will start to wander and you'll have no freaking idea what he's talking about. His personality and his weirdness wear people down over time, and after four, five years, you just don't want to deal with the guy anymore."

http://www.businessinsider.com/hilarious-story-about-jim-harbaughs-crazy-intensity-2015-9



Harbaugh defying tradition and goes with no tie and suit in the Coaches' picture. http://arizonasports.com/story/1186475/harbaugh-wears-what-you-would-expect-him-to-wear-at-big-ten-media-day/

Good finds!

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Heh, I found some articles on how difficult he could be. Too bad Jed wasn't a stronger personality to handle Jim's quirks. Oh well, I think Kyle's personality probably fits better with Jed's personality. Key is that if Jed trusts Kyle and Likes Kyle, that will go a long way to having a successful relationship with his head coach and whether his head coach will have good success. Continuity is the key and if Jed and Kyle like and trust each other, the long term success of the ShanaLynch program has a much higher chance of coming to reality.

Jim's quirkiness on display....

Harbaugh is an early riser, a believer that mornings are a time for labor. And so last fall it wasn't shocking to those who know him well that several times he showed up in the office of San Francisco 49ers CEO Jed York at just past daybreak wanting to resolve an issue right now this very second.
[...]
Midway through last season, 49ers general manager Trent Baalke called a staffer on another team. At the time, San Francisco's season was falling apart—the Niners would finish 8-8—and Baalke's relationship with Harbaugh had frayed to the extent that the two were known to ride elevators together in silence and not make eye contact.
"I just can't deal with Jim anymore," Baalke told his friend, a veteran front-office employee of an NFL team who relayed the conversation to Bleacher Report. "This guy is a nut. Every day he's b***hing at me about something new. It's this, it's that. He's wearing all of us out. He's grinding us down."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2555507-why-jim-harbaugh-and-michigan-may-not-live-happily-ever-after

Harbaugh's personality can wear on people. A former NFL teammate told Anderson:

"You can't even have long meetings with him because his mind will start to wander and you'll have no freaking idea what he's talking about. His personality and his weirdness wear people down over time, and after four, five years, you just don't want to deal with the guy anymore."

http://www.businessinsider.com/hilarious-story-about-jim-harbaughs-crazy-intensity-2015-9



Harbaugh defying tradition and goes with no tie and suit in the Coaches' picture. http://arizonasports.com/story/1186475/harbaugh-wears-what-you-would-expect-him-to-wear-at-big-ten-media-day/

Good finds!

LOL dude was wearing Michigan colors...with a hat? Good Lord. Great stuff. The guy is clinical.

Perfect.

why do we continue to talk about a coach who is no longer relevant here?

Originally posted by cciowa:

why do we continue to talk about a coach who is no longer relevant here?

You must have not visited the NFL talk thread or the other sports threads. The love affair is interesting

Originally posted by cciowa:

why do we continue to talk about a coach who is no longer relevant here?

The only successful coach the Yorks have hired and the second they have fired.
People will stop talking about him when his success is duplicated or surpassed.

I think in the long run, Kyle will prove to be a better HC than Harbaugh.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by cciowa:
why do we continue to talk about a coach who is no longer relevant here?

The only successful coach the Yorks have hired and the second they have fired.
People will stop talking about him when his success is duplicated or surpassed.

Yep. Until we start winning again, Harbaugh and his teams will always come up.

Originally posted by NinersFTW:
Quote of the century

Originally posted by NinersFTW:

Originally posted by BillRing49:

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

Originally posted by BillRing49:

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:
lol Shanahan has already lost as many regular season games as Harbaugh did his entire first year here. Our last 3 coaches, including Shanahan, have not won as many games as Harbaugh did in his worst season COMBINED. Yet, everyone seems to hate Harbaugh here. Makes no sense.

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Harbaugh walked into a great situation roster wise. Why do people not see that?

Because they're stupid.

The facts are that he took a team that was 6-10 the year before and hadn't been to the playoffs in 9 years and took them to 3 straight NFC Championships and a SuperBowl. He went 8-8 the year he was fired during the season. After he left, the team went 5-11 then 2-14 and now 0-3. Results are what matter. The rest is just speculation and opinion.

The facts? Our 2010 roster was full of talent. The 2016 roster was not. Denying this is dumb.

In retrospect it was full of talent. When Harbaugh took over, there was no one who thought he could take that roster to the NFC Championship. People picked against us all year. That is what made the wins so sweet. Whether the roster was talented or not, they didn't win before and they had a losing culture. It takes more than talent to win. Turning around a losing culture usually takes time. With Harbaugh, it is pretty much instantaneous. Just look at Stanford. Supposedly no one could win at Stanford, academic standards were too high, etc. Michigan was turned around year 1. Denying the record of that man is dumb.

Originally posted by BillRing49:
In retrospect it was full of talent. When Harbaugh took over, there was no one who thought he could take that roster to the NFC Championship. People picked against us all year. That is what made the wins so sweet. Whether the roster was talented or not, they didn't win before and they had a losing culture. It takes more than talent to win. Turning around a losing culture usually takes time. With Harbaugh, it is pretty much instantaneous. Just look at Stanford. Supposedly no one could win at Stanford, academic standards were too high, etc. Michigan was turned around year 1. Denying the record of that man is dumb.

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Originally posted by NinersFTW:

Originally posted by BillRing49:

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

Originally posted by BillRing49:

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:
lol Shanahan has already lost as many regular season games as Harbaugh did his entire first year here. Our last 3 coaches, including Shanahan, have not won as many games as Harbaugh did in his worst season COMBINED. Yet, everyone seems to hate Harbaugh here. Makes no sense.

TrumpWrong.gif

Harbaugh walked into a great situation roster wise. Why do people not see that?

Because they're stupid.

The facts are that he took a team that was 6-10 the year before and hadn't been to the playoffs in 9 years and took them to 3 straight NFC Championships and a SuperBowl. He went 8-8 the year he was fired during the season. After he left, the team went 5-11 then 2-14 and now 0-3. Results are what matter. The rest is just speculation and opinion.

The facts? Our 2010 roster was full of talent. The 2016 roster was not. Denying this is dumb.

In retrospect it was full of talent. When Harbaugh took over, there was no one who thought he could take that roster to the NFC Championship. People picked against us all year. That is what made the wins so sweet. Whether the roster was talented or not, they didn't win before and they had a losing culture. It takes more than talent to win. Turning around a losing culture usually takes time. With Harbaugh, it is pretty much instantaneous. Just look at Stanford. Supposedly no one could win at Stanford, academic standards were too high, etc. Michigan was turned around year 1. Denying the record of that man is dumb.

Originally posted by BillRing49:
In retrospect it was full of talent. When Harbaugh took over, there was no one who thought he could take that roster to the NFC Championship. People picked against us all year. That is what made the wins so sweet. Whether the roster was talented or not, they didn't win before and they had a losing culture. It takes more than talent to win. Turning around a losing culture usually takes time. With Harbaugh, it is pretty much instantaneous. Just look at Stanford. Supposedly no one could win at Stanford, academic standards were too high, etc. Michigan was turned around year 1. Denying the record of that man is dumb.

Quote of the century

What's being missed here is Harbaugh turned the team around but he didn't complete the ultimate goal of winning a Super Bowl after the team had expectations. The era ended up being disappointing. He's still yet to win a championship at any level.

Originally posted by Giedi:
I and many others wish we had Harbaugh back, but unfortunately you can't reverse time. I wish we still had aldon, and several other players too but looks like they ain't coming back. If there is anything positive it is hopefully stupid Jed is less stupid now. The structure that Jed set up for Kyle might bring more success in the future, but only time will tell. This is the structure Harbaugh would have had great success in, I believe, and would have been the most stable. Ray Rhoads came back as a coach after leaving us, who knows, maybe even Harbaugh - but for that to happen I think there needs to be a change in ownership. Oh well we shall see...

I don't want Harbaugh back. We were down that road and there were good moments but what I remember the most about his tenure was the heartbreaking loss to the Ravens and no more Super Bowl appearances after that. He has a shelf life which doesn't end in Championships.

Colts lead the league with the most 3 and outs at almost 54% of the time. Niners at the top with 17.6% with only 7 total 3 and outs. That's a good sign!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Heh, I found some articles on how difficult he could be. Too bad Jed wasn't a stronger personality to handle Jim's quirks. Oh well, I think Kyle's personality probably fits better with Jed's personality. Key is that if Jed trusts Kyle and Likes Kyle, that will go a long way to having a successful relationship with his head coach and whether his head coach will have good success. Continuity is the key and if Jed and Kyle like and trust each other, the long term success of the ShanaLynch program has a much higher chance of coming to reality.

Jim's quirkiness on display....

Harbaugh is an early riser, a believer that mornings are a time for labor. And so last fall it wasn't shocking to those who know him well that several times he showed up in the office of San Francisco 49ers CEO Jed York at just past daybreak wanting to resolve an issue right now this very second.
[...]
Midway through last season, 49ers general manager Trent Baalke called a staffer on another team. At the time, San Francisco's season was falling apart—the Niners would finish 8-8—and Baalke's relationship with Harbaugh had frayed to the extent that the two were known to ride elevators together in silence and not make eye contact.
"I just can't deal with Jim anymore," Baalke told his friend, a veteran front-office employee of an NFL team who relayed the conversation to Bleacher Report. "This guy is a nut. Every day he's b***hing at me about something new. It's this, it's that. He's wearing all of us out. He's grinding us down."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2555507-why-jim-harbaugh-and-michigan-may-not-live-happily-ever-after

Harbaugh's personality can wear on people. A former NFL teammate told Anderson:

"You can't even have long meetings with him because his mind will start to wander and you'll have no freaking idea what he's talking about. His personality and his weirdness wear people down over time, and after four, five years, you just don't want to deal with the guy anymore."

http://www.businessinsider.com/hilarious-story-about-jim-harbaughs-crazy-intensity-2015-9



Harbaugh defying tradition and goes with no tie and suit in the Coaches' picture. http://arizonasports.com/story/1186475/harbaugh-wears-what-you-would-expect-him-to-wear-at-big-ten-media-day/

Good finds!

LOL dude was wearing Michigan colors...with a hat? Good Lord. Great stuff. The guy is clinical.

baalke never said that s**t, lol