49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by mayo49:

Shanny is the perfect coach for this young team. Both will grow together.

This. We're in a good place right now, but it's Baalke who put us through hell. No reason to take it out on Harbaugh and like he isn't a great coach.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Good post. We lost because seattle had a better gm who brought in players who could produce.

I still think if they didn't blow the Brees call, or if McDonald holds on to that pass vs Carolina we win the SB. We would have had HFA and that was always the difference back then.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Good post. We lost because seattle had a better gm who brought in players who could produce.

I still think if they didn't blow the Brees call, or if McDonald holds on to that pass vs Carolina we win the SB. We would have had HFA and that was always the difference back then.

Too many shenanigans every time we play up in Seattle.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Good post. We lost because seattle had a better gm who brought in players who could produce.

I still think if they didn't blow the Brees call, or if McDonald holds on to that pass vs Carolina we win the SB. We would have had HFA and that was always the difference back then.

I think if Crabs doesnt pop his Achilles in mini camp....we are a 14-2 type team that wins it all. Crabs when fully healthy was so important to Kap at that point and it woulda been nice to have in 100% with the addition of Boldin.

Can we move this discussion back to Shanny guys. Right now he's still got to hop over Tomsula, Kelly, Nolan, Singletary, and Erickson.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Can we move this discussion back to Shanny guys. Right now he's still got to hop over Tomsula, Kelly, Nolan, Singletary, and Erickson.

He will. At least the first two. Give it time. It won't happen on Sunday and it probably won't happen for a couple months, at least.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Good post. We lost because seattle had a better gm who brought in players who could produce.

I still think if they didn't blow the Brees call, or if McDonald holds on to that pass vs Carolina we win the SB. We would have had HFA and that was always the difference back then.

I think if Crabs doesnt pop his Achilles in mini camp....we are a 14-2 type team that wins it all. Crabs when fully healthy was so important to Kap at that point and it woulda been nice to have in 100% with the addition of Boldin.

Agreed, we had plenty enough talent...injuries took out Ginn, Crabtree, Bowman and a host others at the worst times. In fact, one of the reasons we even made it to the NFCCG's was because of the depth and deep roster we had.

If fell off a cliff all at once but that shouldn't minimize what we did have during that run.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by evil:
Nice cherry pick, but those stats are from games BEFORE defenses figured Kap out.

Lmao not sure if you're aware, but there is no "figure it out". The RO is still used by any QB that can move a little, and Kap avgd 7 yards s carry on an expansion team last year. Asking him not to run as much in 2014 then ending up with Martin bros does not equal figured out.

They knew it was coming in 2013 playoffs. He played the defense that probably studied it more than any team in round 1. He played the #1 and #2 defenses on the road, and the seahawks were very familiar with the RO. Truth is the way Harbaugh used Kap in the playoffs was just hard to stop. If it could be figured out it would have been done well before the 2013 playoffs.

Actually in 2012 defenses were ill prepared to defend the RO. That's why during that offseason after we torched the Packers with it and RG3 was tearing up teams with it, a bunch of NFL defensive coaching staffs sought out help from college defensive coaches to help better understand the RO and how they could be better prepared to face it and defend against it.

Teams also learned how to better prepare and defend Kap as more film was acquired on the QB. They began to realize that he struggled to read defenses and go through his progressions.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Good post. We lost because seattle had a better gm who brought in players who could produce.

I still think if they didn't blow the Brees call, or if McDonald holds on to that pass vs Carolina we win the SB. We would have had HFA and that was always the difference back then.

I think if Crabs doesnt pop his Achilles in mini camp....we are a 14-2 type team that wins it all. Crabs when fully healthy was so important to Kap at that point and it woulda been nice to have in 100% with the addition of Boldin.

Agreed, we had plenty enough talent...injuries took out Ginn, Crabtree, Bowman and a host others at the worst times. In fact, one of the reasons we even made it to the NFCCG's was because of the depth and deep roster we had.

If fell off a cliff all at once but that shouldn't minimize what we did have during that run.

Next to last sentence is one that is just way too often overlooked. IF you don't have depth, you are meat...as in dead meat. Injuries are going to happen no matter who you are and you can bet they always come at the wrong point in time. Not only were we missing 15-18 starters or so at beginning of this yr, we had NO DEPTH. And when you are in that situation, you are screwed until you DO get some depth. And having depth like Devey, Martin and Pears is WORSE than having no depth , because with those guys you think you got things covered when, in fact , you don't. When i bet on us for the over (4.5 Ws), i forgot one very important thing....depth. And now i remembet it all too well. Already we got 13 guys out...some legit, but a couple are just talent stashers for next yr....Willimams for example.

Point is, if you don't have depth you are going nowhere. That hill we have to climb...is a lot higher than i thoght. So many times in the past when we were poised for another SB run, i can remember so and so getting hurt. Most painful memory is Jim Burt hittting Joe in the chest, right between the 1 and the 6, and he crunched some ribs. After that, we were out of it for another SB run. It is also why, altho really expensive ,it is almost a must to have a backup QB who can make the O go, just not quite as good. If your backup is Gabbert quality or kap quality...well, then you are screwed.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Can we move this discussion back to Shanny guys. Right now he's still got to hop over Tomsula, Kelly, Nolan, Singletary, and Erickson.

He will. At least the first two. Give it time. It won't happen on Sunday and it probably won't happen for a couple months, at least.

Correct... the film room thread should give everyone a serious as direct insight into our offensive foundation and play calling by Kyle. It's legit from getting better on situational awareness to the running adjustments to more inside zone and power to understanding his personnel more and more with each game. HC's like to defer blame to player execution as if they don't play the biggest part in game planning and in-game adjustments (HaRoman, Geep, Kelly).

Kyle first and foremost looks at his own. Then he looks at execution.

That's why he'll always lead a pro offense because his offensive philosophy is grounded in tried and true concepts and philosophy and getting players who fit it...then it's on execution.

I was happy to hear Saleh have that exact same mentality in yesterday's presser.

Those are sustaining qualities. And you can SEE in the film room the plays are there... that's when you know we just don't have all the talent we need yet and players are young and still developing on the field and as a result, will be more prone to penalties, technique issues and mental mistakes.

The fact that through 3 games we've already seen what this offense, defense and special teams CAN do with our current personnel is pretty exciting especially given the roster turnover.

I'm looking forward to the game where they put it all together.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by evil:

Nice cherry pick, but those stats are from games BEFORE defenses figured Kap out.

Lmao not sure if you're aware, but there is no "figure it out". The RO is still used by any QB that can move a little, and Kap avgd 7 yards s carry on an expansion team last year. Asking him not to run as much in 2014 then ending up with Martin bros does not equal figured out.

They knew it was coming in 2013 playoffs. He played the defense that probably studied it more than any team in round 1. He played the #1 and #2 defenses on the road, and the seahawks were very familiar with the RO. Truth is the way Harbaugh used Kap in the playoffs was just hard to stop. If it could be figured out it would have been done well before the 2013 playoffs.

Actually in 2012 defenses were ill prepared to defend the RO. That's why during that offseason after we torched the Packers with it and RG3 was tearing up teams with it, a bunch of NFL defensive coaching staffs sought out help from college defensive coaches to help better understand the RO and how they could be better prepared to face it and defend against it.

Teams also learned how to better prepare and defend Kap as more film was acquired on the QB. They began to realize that he struggled to read defenses and go through his progressions.

Our offense outside Gore was nothing more than a buck against the trend...we had an athletic QB with a RO approach and a power OL during a time teams focused less resources on the DL to add more secondary help to compensate for the move to a passing league.

Naturally, it wasn't sustainable in the NFL.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

+1

Like the flaming out wasn't Baalke years of flops...

I bet Shanny or Lynch would give baalke a long stare if they ever crossed paths.😒 Lol

Baalke been flamed out since 2012

The only reason i see for diminishing Harbaugh is to protect Baalke, which is just strange.

It's not strange when people's blatantly incorrect opinions they've been spouting ad nauseum for the last three years grenades any credibility they may have had at one point.

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

+1

Like the flaming out wasn't Baalke years of flops...

I bet Shanny or Lynch would give baalke a long stare if they ever crossed paths.😒 Lol

Baalke been flamed out since 2012

The only reason i see for diminishing Harbaugh is to protect Baalke, which is just strange.

It's not strange when people's blatantly incorrect opinions they've been spouting ad nauseum for the last three years grenades any credibility they may have had at one point.

All that objectivity. Lol

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

+1

Like the flaming out wasn't Baalke years of flops...

I bet Shanny or Lynch would give baalke a long stare if they ever crossed paths.😒 Lol

Baalke been flamed out since 2012

The only reason i see for diminishing Harbaugh is to protect Baalke, which is just strange.

It's not strange when people's blatantly incorrect opinions they've been spouting ad nauseum for the last three years grenades any credibility they may have had at one point.

All that objectivity. Lol

This shouldn't turn into a Harbaugh thread because it isn't about him but anyone with even a remote sense of "objectivity" would be able to realize he was a great coach and Kyle has a lot to live up to and the skepticism as to whether or not he can is warranted.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Our offense outside Gore was nothing more than a buck against the trend...we had an athletic QB with a RO approach and a power OL during a time teams focused less resources on the DL to add more secondary help to compensate for the move to a passing league.

Naturally, it wasn't sustainable in the NFL.

Seattle got a ring with that same strategy and has made it sustainable. Wilson > Kap though.