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Feb 14, 2022 at 6:39 AM
Originally posted by DJamhour:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
People get pot committed and refuse to fold. Even when the cards are shown people still stick to their narrative. I know I've been guilty of this and I've been trying to be better about just folding and saying I was wrong.

Lol I'm not against saying I'm wrong.. I'm just stating every team finds a way to get their star player the ball one way or another, and for deebo(probably top 5 weapon) to not touch the ball for our final 3 possession hurts man

Here's just one play that was made for deebo...



Got deebo matched up on a LBer on a wheel route I believe...that's what Kyle wanted an got it. Jimmy very rarely throws with anticipation, this is a TD if he actually does that. A better QB makes that play.

and I know Deebo is our dude, but they ALSO have one of the best TEs in football and Ayiuk is grossly under targeted, he should have had 200+ yards that game.

Simple s**t like this

He's simply not conformable making those anticipatory throws which is what you have to do in the NFL.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Feb 14, 2022 at 6:43 AM ]
Feb 14, 2022 at 6:42 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Deebo was open plenty in the 4th QR, Jimmy didn't throw him the ball. I get what you're saying in that you must manufacture touches for him regardless....You can't force your QB to do something no matter what though, there's pre/post snap reads and Jimmy often has more than one play to choose from on every down. There's a reason why QB's make more money than anyone including the HC.

It's not a simple as saying feed Kupp either...dude was nowhere to be seen for a half of the football game last night, do we think that's because of scheme or McVay didn't want to get him the ball? No. Defense plays football too and the Bengals plays soft on that last drive IMO. Why they lined up Eli Apple on Kupp is beyond me. Stafford took advantage of that.

Kupp is great at finding those soft spots vs zone, but OBJ going out helped Cini clamp down on Kupp for a good portion of that game IMO

Saying you don't care how is MUCH easier to say then actually being able to do it end of the day.

As far as getting cute, I'd say McVay trying to run a Philly special was playing it cute, no? It was horribly run and could have gotten his QB killed.

Yeah you're right, maybe I need to go back and actually watch the film, and for mcvay they definitely did get cute and was paying the price for it. I'm sure I might be exaggerating a bit because the Rams won the SB and beat us to get to it makes it worse.

just to be clear, I'd rather have Kyle over mcvay 100% lol. I just think there could have been some easier play for your lack of playmaking Qb to get it to your best players. Like you said "Much easier said than done". I hope trey studies as much film as possible and works on his mechanics going into Training camp so we can actually hit open receivers and makes the plays that are there. Maybe even open up the playbook some haha
Feb 14, 2022 at 6:46 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Here's just one play that was made for deebo...



Got deebo matched up on a LBer on a wheel route I believe...that's what Kyle wanted an got it. Jimmy very rarely throws with anticipation, this is a TD if he actually does that. A better QB makes that play.

and I know Deebo is our dude, but they ALSO have one of the best TEs in football and Ayiuk is grossly under targeted, he should have had 200+ yards that game.

Simple s**t like this

He's simply not conformable making those anticipatory throws which is what you have to do in the NFL.

Yeah man you're right, seen a few plays of trey throwing with anticipation so hope that will be fun, actually just followed this guy now because I love seeing these breakdowns and if you got anymore accounts or pages like that, can you send them my way
Feb 14, 2022 at 6:50 AM
Originally posted by DJamhour:
Yeah you're right, maybe I need to go back and actually watch the film, and for mcvay they definitely did get cute and was paying the price for it. I'm sure I might be exaggerating a bit because the Rams won the SB and beat us to get to it makes it worse.

just to be clear, I'd rather have Kyle over mcvay 100% lol. I just think there could have been some easier play for your lack of playmaking Qb to get it to your best players. Like you said "Much easier said than done". I hope trey studies as much film as possible and works on his mechanics going into Training camp so we can actually hit open receivers and makes the plays that are there. Maybe even open up the playbook some haha

It's all there my dude

I get people's emotions after the fact, is what it is....LA is a super talented team and they spent up for it. I tried to tell people that Stafford was very talented and just played on horrible teams with avg to below avg coaching staffs. He's got over a decade's worth of play time and seeing defenses.

I think McVay and Kyle are both high end HCs in this league.

Personally I don't think Kyle could have made it any easier for Jimmy in regards to the play calls. He wasn't asking him to make all these high end elite throws, just throw with a little more anticipation and read the coverages better pre/post snaps.

I mean we've already seen Trey make some anticipatory throws after two starts. Kid is smart and just needs to get confident in his reads, his mechanics are more than fine when he is playing like that. Playing is the only thing at this point that's gonna make him better. We will see, I'm not expecting Josh Allen out of the gate but a yr or two he could be playing upwards to that....the potential is there
Feb 14, 2022 at 6:54 AM
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Yeah it can get crazy in here, but there are a ton of great fans in here as well. I try to block out the noise.

I think people don't realize you can love a player or coach, but still be honest and critical when its warranted.

Anyone with half a brain knows Kyle is a great offensive mind and coach. There is no obvious "upgrade".

Its also fair to say he can improve and his 4th quarters in big games are a serious red flag. I mean its just the truth so I understand peoples perspectives and debates. People do take that and spin it to the tenth degree of delusion lol.

For sure, you can always be improving regardless if you're very good at your job. I think talent at the most important position dictates a lot of what happens at the end of games. Teams know what SF is under Jimmy and what they will try to do at the end of games. run the ball....Jimmy had his opportunities last game to put LA away, he didn't take advantage of them. Not sure what is you could ask Kyle to do there....play calls were there for the most part.

I got no problem being critical of some of his play calls for sure...the good outweighs the bad by far though.
Feb 14, 2022 at 6:55 AM
Originally posted by DJamhour:
Yeah man you're right, seen a few plays of trey throwing with anticipation so hope that will be fun, actually just followed this guy now because I love seeing these breakdowns and if you got anymore accounts or pages like that, can you send them my way

Sure man, I'm always posting whatever I can find
Feb 14, 2022 at 6:59 AM
AND let's be real with McVay....this is NOT a hold, especially the way this crew was calling the game.


that s**t doesn't get called we might be calling McVay "this massive choke artist blah blah blah" So much happens to determine the outcome of a game besides what plays are called.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Feb 14, 2022 at 7:09 AM ]
Feb 14, 2022 at 7:04 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
It's all there my dude

I get people's emotions after the fact, is what it is....LA is a super talented team and they spent up for it. I tried to tell people that Stafford was very talented and just played on horrible teams with avg to below avg coaching staffs. He's got over a decade's worth of play time and seeing defenses.

I think McVay and Kyle are both high end HCs in this league.

Personally I don't think Kyle could have made it any easier for Jimmy in regards to the play calls. He wasn't asking him to make all these high end elite throws, just throw with a little more anticipation and read the coverages better pre/post snaps.

I mean we've already seen Trey make some anticipatory throws after two starts. Kid is smart and just needs to get confident in his reads, his mechanics are more than fine when he is playing like that. Playing is the only thing at this point that's gonna make him better. We will see, I'm not expecting Josh Allen out of the gate but a yr or two he could be playing upwards to that....the potential is there

Everyone's who's watched stafford for years know what type of Qb he was. Always in that top 10ish year in and year in since he's been in the league but I'm sure some in here just hoping he choked and wasn't gonna be that guy haha.

Kyle has been scheming players open so if Trey does continue to anticipate well and be a film junkie, he could improve steadily, expect rookie mistakes with a decent learning curve this year and his fair share of mistakes but also big jump from year 1 of being a starter to year 2 like Allen did. Allen flashed year 1 and improved year in and year out to become one of the elites. If he can follow a similiar path and do that. Our team is going to be so explosive and fun to watch for years to come
[ Edited by DJamhour on Feb 14, 2022 at 7:06 AM ]
Feb 14, 2022 at 7:10 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
AND let's be real with McVay....this is NOT a hold, especially the way this crew was calling the game.


that s**t doesn't get called we might be calling McVay "this massive choke artist blah blah blah" So much happens to determine the outcome of a game besides what plays are called.

Bengals TD was possible due to a clear Facemask against that moron defense (I don't remember the name, the diva one)
[ Edited by nomejodaspaco on Feb 14, 2022 at 7:11 AM ]
Feb 14, 2022 at 7:10 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
AND let's be real with McVay....this is NOT a hold, especially the way this crew was calling the game.


and this as well

that s**t doesn't get called we might be calling McVay "this massive choke artist blah blah blah" So much happens to determine the outcome of a game besides what plays are called.

Man 100%, that play pissed me off so much, like don't give them the game there. And we can say that about Crabtree in the endzone during SB. Holding on Bosa and I'm sure a couple in our favor as well but that was SOFTTTT. As far as choking, the real chokers this year in my opinion are Packers, bucs and chiefs. Packers couldn't score at home, bucs all first half at home, and cheifs only scored like 3 pts I believe all 2nd half and overtime at home 🤦‍♂️
Feb 14, 2022 at 7:13 AM
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Well people hating on Kyle clearly have minimal understanding of football. They must truly believe Kyle calls the play and tell Jimmy to either only throw it to Hasty in the flat or take a sack.

Yeah it's painfully clear...I saw someone who's a Kyle hater and Jimmy truther, literally say BA getting open was just a "decoy" so Jimmy could check it down to the RB lol. I mean how do you have a level headed covno with someone about football when they say s**t like that Where do you go from there lol?

"you don't know his progressions!" for sure his first read is a check down to his RB WTF lol.

That's an impressive amount of mental gymnastics

Insane what people come up with.

At least now with Trey we will be able to squash all of the BS narratives we have heard the last few years and learn the truth.

😂

When the playbook opens up more with Trey, the same people are just gonna say that Kyle has added new elements into his offense and now realizes he needs to use the whole field more, and allow his QB to go through his progressions.

LOL - You're probably right. Then we show them the SB loss and the NFC Championship game loss tape.... And Jimmy ignoring every single route beyond 12 yards. Missing one on ones and deep routes etc etc. I was furious at Kyle for the SB, then when I saw the tape and you see Kittle WIDE open and Jimmy doesn't even look his way.... sigh.
Feb 14, 2022 at 7:18 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
AND let's be real with McVay....this is NOT a hold, especially the way this crew was calling the game.


that s**t doesn't get called we might be calling McVay "this massive choke artist blah blah blah" So much happens to determine the outcome of a game besides what plays are called.

The refs were "letting them play" until the very end, which is stupid. When it looked like the Rams might actually lose, the refs started calling it tight.
Feb 14, 2022 at 7:20 AM
Originally posted by DJamhour:
Everyone's who's watched stafford for years know what type of Qb he was. Always in that top 10ish year in and year in since he's been in the league but I'm sure some in here just hoping he choked and wasn't gonna be that guy haha.

Kyle has been scheming players open so if Trey does continue to anticipate well and be a film junkie, he could improve steadily, expect rookie mistakes with a decent learning curve this year and his fair share of mistakes but also big jump from year 1 of being a starter to year 2 like Allen did. Allen flashed year 1 and improved year in and year out to become one of the elites. If he can follow a similiar path and do that. Our team is going to be so explosive and fun to watch for years to come

Yeah Stafford issue was never talent or understand football...it was the team around him for the most part and having to try an compensate for all that. He's a gunslinger and that can get him in trouble, but you gotta be able to take that with all the good plays he makes as well.

For sure he's scheme get's dudes open....whomever is the QB needs to take advantage of it, it's part of the reason he's been able to get the most out of every QB he's had. Time for him to get a QB that has top end traits and hopefully Lance can take it all in. Every HC needs a QB that can just make plays when s**t hits the fan. McVay is no different there.

Yeah I watched a little bit of Allen's tape from yr 1 and let me tell ya, he was god awful. 2nd yr he looked a little more confident, but still not close to what he is now....year 3 he's a star and among the best in the league. I actually think Lance is further along out of college then Allen was. We will see, I'm fine with developing and dealing with the ups and downs of playing a young QB.
Feb 14, 2022 at 7:22 AM
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by DJamhour:
hope Kyle takes something from McVay! When Rams needed plays they continuously gave the ball to Kupp even when everyone knew it was going to him. Deebo didn't touch the ball the final 10 minutes of the game I believe our last 2 or 3 possessions. Kupp got 6 or 7 touches on the final drive alone when they needed him most! Deebo no touches the final 2-3 drives.. Kittle and deebo should have been getting the ball every single play when we needed them most. Sometimes I think Kyle tried to get too cute and outsmart himself

I hope Kyle doesn't take anything from a inferior coach.

Indeed. McVay had a head start and still had to get Stafford, Miller, and OBJ to come out slightly ahead. I also didn't realize we are in an arms race. Apparently it's not just winning a Super Bowl, but also doing it first. Well that's done. We didn't win first. We finished 2nd in the NFC and the people slamming Kyle also probably laughed at other posters who thought this was a SB roster. Teams that make deep runs are a SB caliber team. Can't wait for us to come next year, calling the plays similar except now our QB can run a bit and will hit those deeper pass plays.
Feb 14, 2022 at 7:22 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by DJamhour:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
It's like people don't think a QB can throw it to a player....Jimmy could throw the ball to Deebo/Kittle/BA all he wants. People are so instant about s**t and seems like they forget about all the film that was provide SHOWING Jimmy missed half a dozen or more reads from the NFCC. Missed Deebo/Kittle/BA on easy s**t. He makes have those reads....SF is playing in the SB. It's a reason why he's not gonna command some stupid 1st rd pick and more in a trade.

Players gotta execute the play end of the day...talent matters and our QB falls flat at doing a lot of that and has for a while.

I'm with you.. and I'm actually happy with kyle but sometimes I feel he gets a bit cute and hoping he learns and I know we're not equal in terms of Qb play, I just feel like in most games when it matters most, you gotta feed your best players. Some of it is on execution but even Kyle lovers in here will say so. Idc how you need to make it happen but deebo should touch the ball one time the final 10 minutes or 3 drives we've had

Deebo was open plenty in the 4th QR, Jimmy didn't throw him the ball. I get what you're saying in that you must manufacture touches for him regardless....You can't force your QB to do something no matter what though, there's pre/post snap reads and Jimmy often has more than one play to choose from on every down. There's a reason why QB's make more money than anyone including the HC.

It's not a simple as saying feed Kupp either...dude was nowhere to be seen for a half of the football game last night, do we think that's because of scheme or McVay didn't want to get him the ball? No. Defense plays football too and the Bengals plays soft on that last drive IMO. Why they lined up Eli Apple on Kupp is beyond me. Stafford took advantage of that.

Kupp is great at finding those soft spots vs zone, but OBJ going out helped Cini clamp down on Kupp for a good portion of that game IMO

Saying you don't care how is MUCH easier to say then actually being able to do it end of the day.

As far as getting cute, I'd say McVay trying to run a Philly special was playing it cute, no? It was horribly run and could have gotten his QB killed.

I can't believe Kupp did that to him during Black History Month as well.

I've stated before, I am excited about Trey. What other option do we have? The kid looks explosive. Shanahan will be able to use 100% of his playbook. We can finally see the Shanahan offense without the governor on. If it doesn't work out, we find the next QB. Do not fire Shanahan ever. We know how good his offense can be.
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