49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Right, but it doesn't fit his crusade to, somehow (on a fan site, no less), preserve Jimmy's tenure as a Niner for at least one more year. Not sure if it's pure Jimmy love, or if there's some Trey hate sprinkled in, but there's no denying that this dude is on a mission. An embarrassingly futile mission, but a mission nonetheless. And, to be clear: when I say "embarrassingly futile," I mean like watching an adult in an astronaut costume wedging himself into the coin-operated rocked ride in front of a supermarket, expecting to fly to space.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
This is why so many here on this forum called Stafford a "loser" that they didn't want when we were in the mix to trade for him. They ignored the context of him being on a team that has won ONE playoff game in over SIX DECADES. Now we can see that him being 5th all time in 4th quarter comebacks isn't a mirage. He really is clutch, as shown by the three post-season 4th quarter comebacks.

But, like Jimmy, a lot of the time he needs those it's because his own dumb mistakes put the team in that position. Nevertheless, he cleans up his shat upon bed better than Jimmy does, due to superior talent.

Those same people still aren't labeling him a winner lol. No one can check themselves after the fact and say I was wrong or that was a stupid take. Even though it looks even dumber to continue to argue the point and find some straw man argue proving why they're still correct

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Personally, I've never liked the terms winner and loser. To hang a label on any one player in a team sport is just wrong unless he's doing a lot of off field stuff. As much as I loved Montana, it certainly wasn't all about hm. I would call him a winner based on how he conducted his private life, not just because the team won a lot of games.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Two different O's with two different demands of the QB and different WR asks as well. Kupp is open every play whereby Deebo excels more at trucking people on the ground then taking a well deserved snap off to catch a breath. Your counting stats don't apply. Imagine comparing a starting pitchers K's to a relief pitcher. The starter has like 180 Ks the reliever like 50. Yet it's a misleading comparison. Better stat is K/9 which accounts for innings pitched. It would be the only sincere comparison.

With that in mind.

JG rating 98.9
MS rating 91.1

Career rating which is an all encompassing look at passer metrics with volume accounted for.

BA was open all damn game vs LA...Jimmy went full simple jack on a handful of plays. You talk about Kupp being open all game, but disregard where a TON of Jimmy's yards came from...yards after the catch. Jimmy lead the league in yards after the catch per completion. Stafford was 11th. Jimmy was 4th worse in AYTS (air yards to the sticks) Stafford was 4th best. Stafford was 3rd in completed air yards per completion. Jimmy 10th (which is actually high for him).

Why are you looking at career QB rating? We're talking about 2021 and Stafford playing for LA not the worst organization in football for a decade.

Stafford rating 102.9
Jimmy rating 98.7

Listen man they're simply different QBs with different skill sets and different ceilings. Is what it is...doesn't make Jimmy junk or anything. Stafford is just better than him and that's okay.

Stafford is better than Jimmy, but what I find interesting is that they needed every bit of that huge production out of him and Kupp to be SB champ.

If Stafford was on the Niners, would've been an easier SB ring for him, by far. He has the talent to create production through the air, and the run game would likely be even better than it has been and he could've leaned on that to guarantee wins if needed. The Rams really don't have the 49ers run game, and hence where I think his turnovers came from.

49ers really are that team. Smart NFL fans know this is the best team in the league if you remove the QB from it.

People talk about the Rams like they were some juggernaut. They aren't/weren't, and will never be.

This is correct. And Trey is going to be better than Stafford, because unlike Stafford (and Jimmy), Trey is not going to be a turnover machine.

EDIT - I'm not saying next year. But before he's done.

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Doesn't take a crystal ball to extrapolate from past events. He was careful with the ball in college, his INT% this year is low for a rookie, and he prefer throwing outside, where there is less risk.

.I couldn't find my sardonic glance emoji. So I post this instead.

What part of what I said was not objectively, verifiably true? It's a statistical fact he was careful with the ball in college. It's a statistical fact that the only first round rookie QB with a lower INT% than him is Jones, and it's a statistical fact that he throws more to the outside than dear departed Jimmy. None of this is opinion. It's all objective, incontrovertible truth.

Right, but it doesn't fit his crusade to, somehow (on a fan site, no less), preserve Jimmy's tenure as a Niner for at least one more year. Not sure if it's pure Jimmy love, or if there's some Trey hate sprinkled in, but there's no denying that this dude is on a mission. An embarrassingly futile mission, but a mission nonetheless. And, to be clear: when I say "embarrassingly futile," I mean like watching an adult in an astronaut costume wedging himself into the coin-operated rocked ride in front of a supermarket, expecting to fly to space.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Two different O's with two different demands of the QB and different WR asks as well. Kupp is open every play whereby Deebo excels more at trucking people on the ground then taking a well deserved snap off to catch a breath. Your counting stats don't apply. Imagine comparing a starting pitchers K's to a relief pitcher. The starter has like 180 Ks the reliever like 50. Yet it's a misleading comparison. Better stat is K/9 which accounts for innings pitched. It would be the only sincere comparison.

With that in mind.

JG rating 98.9
MS rating 91.1

Career rating which is an all encompassing look at passer metrics with volume accounted for.

BA was open all damn game vs LA...Jimmy went full simple jack on a handful of plays. You talk about Kupp being open all game, but disregard where a TON of Jimmy's yards came from...yards after the catch. Jimmy lead the league in yards after the catch per completion. Stafford was 11th. Jimmy was 4th worse in AYTS (air yards to the sticks) Stafford was 4th best. Stafford was 3rd in completed air yards per completion. Jimmy 10th (which is actually high for him).

Why are you looking at career QB rating? We're talking about 2021 and Stafford playing for LA not the worst organization in football for a decade.

Stafford rating 102.9
Jimmy rating 98.7

Listen man they're simply different QBs with different skill sets and different ceilings. Is what it is...doesn't make Jimmy junk or anything. Stafford is just better than him and that's okay.

Stafford is better than Jimmy, but what I find interesting is that they needed every bit of that huge production out of him and Kupp to be SB champ.

If Stafford was on the Niners, would've been an easier SB ring for him, by far. He has the talent to create production through the air, and the run game would likely be even better than it has been and he could've leaned on that to guarantee wins if needed. The Rams really don't have the 49ers run game, and hence where I think his turnovers came from.

49ers really are that team. Smart NFL fans know this is the best team in the league if you remove the QB from it.

People talk about the Rams like they were some juggernaut. They aren't/weren't, and will never be.

This is correct. And Trey is going to be better than Stafford, because unlike Stafford (and Jimmy), Trey is not going to be a turnover machine.

EDIT - I'm not saying next year. But before he's done.

.

Doesn't take a crystal ball to extrapolate from past events. He was careful with the ball in college, his INT% this year is low for a rookie, and he prefer throwing outside, where there is less risk.

.I couldn't find my sardonic glance emoji. So I post this instead.

What part of what I said was not objectively, verifiably true? It's a statistical fact he was careful with the ball in college. It's a statistical fact that the only first round rookie QB with a lower INT% than him is Jones, and it's a statistical fact that he throws more to the outside than dear departed Jimmy. None of this is opinion. It's all objective, incontrovertible truth.

Right, but it doesn't fit his crusade to, somehow (on a fan site, no less), preserve Jimmy's tenure as a Niner for at least one more year. Not sure if it's pure Jimmy love, or if there's some Trey hate sprinkled in, but there's no denying that this dude is on a mission. An embarrassingly futile mission, but a mission nonetheless. And, to be clear: when I say "embarrassingly futile," I mean like watching an adult in an astronaut costume wedging himself into the coin-operated rocked ride in front of a supermarket, expecting to fly to space.

Ouch lol

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 9moon:
Easier said than done... will the KS10 followers ever point to the HC if Lance becomes the next Trubisky?

Sure because we haven't decided in our head exactly how good a coach Shanny is.

Will you give him credit if Lance develops or will it all be due to Lance himself?

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 9moon:
Easier said than done... will the KS10 followers ever point to the HC if Lance becomes the next Trubisky?

Sure because we haven't decided in our head exactly how good a coach Shanny is.

Will you give him credit if Lance develops or will it all be due to Lance himself?

Why wouldn't I?

I feel that KS10 sees Lance as another Mahomes, why, I don't know... I hope it's not because he was able to roll to the left and throw a 60 yarder .. but if he becomes a very good QB, then credit must be given to whom it may deserve.

It will also be a moment for YOU to agree that KS10 is nothing more than a very good OC instead of a " GREAT HC " if he ends up throwing playoff parties at home year in and year out. ..

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 9moon:
Easier said than done... will the KS10 followers ever point to the HC if Lance becomes the next Trubisky?

Sure because we haven't decided in our head exactly how good a coach Shanny is.

Will you give him credit if Lance develops or will it all be due to Lance himself?

Why wouldn't I?

I feel that KS10 sees Lance as another Mahomes, why, I don't know... I hope it's not because he was able to roll to the left and throw a 60 yarder .. but if he becomes a very good QB, then credit must be given to whom it may deserve.

It will also be a moment for YOU to agree that KS10 is nothing more than a very good OC instead of a " GREAT HC " if he ends up throwing playoff parties at home year in and year out. ..

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
"Matt Stafford is a loser"
"Peyton Manning chokes in the playoffs like when he threw a pick 6 in the SB"
"Tom Brady is washed up"
"Odell Beckham is a cancer"
"Jimmy is a good QB"
fans say dumb things all the time, it's not that serious and no need to write long story novels about it

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 4ML:
You don't let go of really coaches. There are very very few of them out there. I think Kyle is a great coach. If I am Jed - I am letting Kyle coach as long as he wants to coach this team.

There is no chance that Lance turns into Trubisky but if he does - that's on him more than anything - and this is coming from a guy who wanted Lance over everyone in the draft.

Moon thinks PJ Fleck would just dominant in the NFL...I mean look at that resume lol.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 9moon:
Easier said than done... will the KS10 followers ever point to the HC if Lance becomes the next Trubisky?

Sure because we haven't decided in our head exactly how good a coach Shanny is.

Will you give him credit if Lance develops or will it all be due to Lance himself?

Why wouldn't I?

I feel that KS10 sees Lance as another Mahomes, why, I don't know... I hope it's not because he was able to roll to the left and throw a 60 yarder .. but if he becomes a very good QB, then credit must be given to whom it may deserve.

It will also be a moment for YOU to agree that KS10 is nothing more than a very good OC instead of a " GREAT HC " if he ends up throwing playoff parties at home year in and year out. ..

Since he is HC and a very good OC.. that would make a very good HC

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 9moon:
Easier said than done... will the KS10 followers ever point to the HC if Lance becomes the next Trubisky?

Sure because we haven't decided in our head exactly how good a coach Shanny is.

Will you give him credit if Lance develops or will it all be due to Lance himself?

Why wouldn't I?

I feel that KS10 sees Lance as another Mahomes, why, I don't know... I hope it's not because he was able to roll to the left and throw a 60 yarder .. but if he becomes a very good QB, then credit must be given to whom it may deserve.

It will also be a moment for YOU to agree that KS10 is nothing more than a very good OC instead of a " GREAT HC " if he ends up throwing playoff parties at home year in and year out. ..

Since he is HC and a very good OC.. that would make a very good HC

u mean just like Martz, and Norv, and June Jones??

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 9moon:
Easier said than done... will the KS10 followers ever point to the HC if Lance becomes the next Trubisky?

Sure because we haven't decided in our head exactly how good a coach Shanny is.

Will you give him credit if Lance develops or will it all be due to Lance himself?

Why wouldn't I?

I feel that KS10 sees Lance as another Mahomes, why, I don't know... I hope it's not because he was able to roll to the left and throw a 60 yarder .. but if he becomes a very good QB, then credit must be given to whom it may deserve.

It will also be a moment for YOU to agree that KS10 is nothing more than a very good OC instead of a " GREAT HC " if he ends up throwing playoff parties at home year in and year out. ..

Okay I have to ask, why is he KS10? What is the 10 for?