49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Giedi:
I remember reading stories of legendary Vince Lombardi and his Green Bay Sweep. Nobody could stop that play. He got a couple of championships out of it, until he was out talented and then he left the team. The point is that Kyle has his *Green Bay Sweep* bread and butter plays. At some point in time - in the game - Kyle has to call his bread and butter plays, because that sets up the entire offense for the next series or drives. However, if the opposing team stuffs the bread and butter plays, then he stuffs your offense. Just like being able to stop the green bay sweep. When teams started to stifle Vince's sweep, he had to leave the team and go to the Washington Commanders where he eventually died.

Point is that if you are a run team - you call run plays. If you are a pass team, you call pass plays. If they are stuffed, your offense is stuffed. I think Kyle is striving for more balance, and I think Trey can give him that kind of balance where if Kyle wants a run first team, or a pass first team, he can do it either way. Trey will give balance to the force!

Can you please say Redskins for all references to the DC based football team prior to 2020 and post 1932??

My god.

We gonna hear "waahhh we coulda had brady waaaaah" til we win another SB.

Originally posted by Big_Daddy:

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Well that's an interesting observation, because if Kyle is the offensive Guru, then John should have a bit more say in defensive personnel because of his defensive background. Again, that points to a good working relationship where both are using their skills to the best of the whole without any sort of power struggle or ego agenda. That's a great positive for the team vs the HarBaalke regime where there was constant power struggles between the GM and the HC.

That was my understanding also, that Kyle had major say in O and JL had major say in D. Still, i believe that except in a very few cases, McKinnon, plus our last WR/RB who never got off IR, Joe Woods (JL definitely got talked into that), and 1 or 2 others (Solomon and Reuben for JL), our guys have done a stellar job.

All NFL team miss with a majority of their picks.

You need to be good with high picks (bosa duh...solomon thomas whiff) and lucky to get a gem elsewhere every year

2 impact players a year is HOF GM stuff

SF has more than compensated the high busts with low draft/UDFA/cheap FA stars

Kittle
Warner
etc.

We could do better but overall Lynch and pals keep adding talent

All NFL teams make misses.

not all NFL teams skip QB workouts when they dont have a QB on the roster. I know this mahomes take has been beaten to death but once again it's the major problem.

first time coach
first time GM with no GM experience or front office experience.

our mistakes are obvious, because all the koolaid drinking fans are ok with the heads of our organization learning on the job instead of having adults in the room.

we turned down Brady. That's all I have to say.

keep drinking that koolaid, fools.

we have made the NFCCG 2 times in 3 years

stop f**king complaining

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I remember reading stories of legendary Vince Lombardi and his Green Bay Sweep. Nobody could stop that play. He got a couple of championships out of it, until he was out talented and then he left the team. The point is that Kyle has his *Green Bay Sweep* bread and butter plays. At some point in time - in the game - Kyle has to call his bread and butter plays, because that sets up the entire offense for the next series or drives. However, if the opposing team stuffs the bread and butter plays, then he stuffs your offense. Just like being able to stop the green bay sweep. When teams started to stifle Vince's sweep, he had to leave the team and go to the Washington Commanders where he eventually died.

Point is that if you are a run team - you call run plays. If you are a pass team, you call pass plays. If they are stuffed, your offense is stuffed. I think Kyle is striving for more balance, and I think Trey can give him that kind of balance where if Kyle wants a run first team, or a pass first team, he can do it either way. Trey will give balance to the force!

Can you please say Redskins for all references to the DC based football team prior to 2020 and post 1932??

My god.

No.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
We gonna hear "waahhh we coulda had brady waaaaah" til we win another SB.

If ShanaLynch can assemble a 2012 or 2019 level quality team around Trey, I'm thinking those games (assuming 2nd year Trey is playing, vs rookie Trey) Those two games might have been wins instead of losses.

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Originally posted by thl408:
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Kyle Ziggs when the NFL zaggs?

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by thl408:
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Kyle Ziggs when the NFL zaggs?

Well, it's safe to say, no matter the HC/OC, this team is wildly consistent at being a team built for 1956 football. Haha

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
We gonna hear "waahhh we coulda had brady waaaaah" til we win another SB.

Facts unfortunately lol

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by thl408:
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Kyle Ziggs when the NFL zaggs?

Well, it's safe to say, no matter the HC/OC, this team is wildly consistent at being a team built for 1956 football. Haha

Seems like Shanahan has been a run-first OC in his other years, but notably, the Falcons when Shanahan was OC and Matt Ryan had his MVP year... they were the 8th highest passing team on early downs. So while he does have tendencies, it does seem to be me like he does things based on his personnel.

I have no problem being a run-first team as it eventually leads to 3rd and manageables. It's basic ball-control football that helps keep the defense fresh. It has its advantages and disadvantages, but the strategy is solid... When it's working well, we have those games where we have 10+ play drives, eat up all the clock, and wear down the defense. It typically doesn't have a lot of chunk plays though.

I think it means that though that (1) the QB really needs to be able to convert on third down, (2) they need to be a good play action passer, (3) and it'd really help if they hit on the rare shot plays they go for in a game.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
We gonna hear "waahhh we coulda had brady waaaaah" til we win another SB.

Could've had Peyton Manning in 2012 too but most fans seem to forget about that

Everyone's all waiting for Jimmy G trade news, but lets be real here.... the only guy Kyle is thinking about is Jalen Hurd.

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by thl408:
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Kyle Ziggs when the NFL zaggs?

Well, it's safe to say, no matter the HC/OC, this team is wildly consistent at being a team built for 1956 football. Haha

Seems like Shanahan has been a run-first OC in his other years, but notably, the Falcons when Shanahan was OC and Matt Ryan had his MVP year... they were the 8th highest passing team on early downs. So while he does have tendencies, it does seem to be me like he does things based on his personnel.

I have no problem being a run-first team as it eventually leads to 3rd and manageables. It's basic ball-control football that helps keep the defense fresh. It has its advantages and disadvantages, but the strategy is solid... When it's working well, we have those games where we have 10+ play drives, eat up all the clock, and wear down the defense. It typically doesn't have a lot of chunk plays though.

I think it means that though that (1) the QB really needs to be able to convert on third down, (2) they need to be a good play action passer, (3) and it'd really help if they hit on the rare shot plays they go for in a game.

Agree on your point about personnel and NC"s point about the 1956 feel of this offense at certain times (Vikings playoff game).

If this run-first philosophy is to work, NC's point about Offensive Linemen is similar your point about personnel. As much as Kyle's been investing in OLInemen (Trent Williams, Mack, McGlinchy) -- if he's going to go with a 1956 Bo-Schembechler run first offense - in a sense, he needs to find much more dominating offensive linemen to power said offense (at least on the right side). If he wants an unstoppable run game (like an unstoppable pass game) his OLine has to be able to do both zone and gap blocking. I think a guy like Aaron Banks/Trent Williams is the kind of OLineman Kyle needs - big in size to have that power gap blocking ability and the agility and athleticism to zone block. You're lucky to find one Trent William's in any draft, so drafting OLinemen for Kyle's system is a problem. Kyle's gotten away with journeymen on the OLine, and I think if he's going to run in the fourth quarter in the playoffs against good playoff defenses, I think his Offensive Line needs more power while keeping the same level of athleticism.

Kyle wants to play complementary football, and that's why I think he's been a heavy run first coach. But personally, I'm in agreement with NC. If you are going to be a run first offense, better have run first OLinemen. Big strong OLinemen with agility, I think also will help in pass protections. How many times we've seen Brunskill get bull rushed into the QB, and how many times has McGlinchy whiffed on a block. Kyle's going to have to invest more draft and cap capital in the OLine than he's been doing, in my personal opinion, to have a dominating run first team.

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
We gonna hear "waahhh we coulda had brady waaaaah" til we win another SB.

Could've had Peyton Manning in 2012 too but most fans seem to forget about that

Peyton chose the Broncos over the Niners. Harbaugh tried to get him.

Shanahan actually turned down Tom Brady. It sounds insane to even type it but Shanahan turned down Tom Freaking Brady lol.