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Originally posted by Sickaa:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Shanahan isn't perfect. Some of his decisions, especially being overly conservative 4th downs, have been frustrating as hell. That said, his flaws pale in comparison to what he brings to the table and I can't imagine wanting to move on. We were a joke of a franchise with almost no talent on either side of the ball when Kyle got here. Now, Kyle and Lynch have built us into one of the best teams on and off the field.

Losing the Super Bowl and the NFCC sucked hard (the SB especially, I never expected to be in the NFCC), but we were only a few plays away from winning either game. It's silly to act like Kyle can't win a SB when the randomness of the game could easily have swung those games in our favor.

No doubt, and that's why It's Important for us to hold on to Shanny for as long as possible. Like you mentioned, he has some flaws ( can Improve on ) I'd rather have a coach like Kyle, flaws and all, than go back to being In the basement, like we was under, Tomsula, Chip Kelly, ect. It feels good to be relevant again and always In the mix come end of the season. After all, It's much better to be competing for super bowls than It was competing for the number 1 draft pick every year. Only time will tell If Kyle has what It takes to win a super bow of not. That's what separates the good coaches from the great ones.

I think two moves illustrate that he's not sitting on his laurels and is ambitious enough to make it to the top tier of coaches. First his ballsy decision to trade three number one picks for Trey Lance. That is BALLSY! I don't see either Fat Andy or Bellicheat doing that. Second decision - not really ballsy, but a recognition that his OLine isn't up to snuff - two straight years two draft picks devoted to the OLine, and they were high draft picks too. Banks was a number 2 pick, and Burford a number 4 pick (in a very deep Offensive Line draft). I think there was something to the idea that Kyle only liked strong armed pocket passers, and some of his past statements about mobile QB's sounded like he tried to avoid them. But the fact that he went all in on Trey Lance shows me he's not afraid to self scout and change. Walsh did something similar after the '81 super bowl. Walsh thought he could get away with mediocre running backs with his offensive system, but after having a horrible '82 season - he saw the error of his ways and traded for Wendell, a fantastic tier one running back.

Walsh's best clutch runner in '82 was his quarterback, Joe Montana, but all too often Montana was running for his life. His play-run fakes didn't fool anyone; he had to keep the ball himself because he didn't have a running back to hand off to. Worse still, the 49ers' offense became so predictable—opponents concentrated on Wide Receiver Dwight Clark, gang-tackled Montana and forgot about everyone else—that people no longer were calling Walsh a genius.
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Walsh gave the Los Angeles Rams a No. 2 and a No. 4 pick in the 1983 draft in exchange for Tyler, Defensive End Cody Jones and a No. 3 draft choice. To listen to Walsh, the acquisition of Tyler alone was a stroke of, well, sheer genius. "If I had my choice of any available back," he says, "or perhaps any back, period, I would have taken Wendell Tyler."
https://vault.si.com/vault/1983/09/05/its-the-end-zoneor-bust
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Shanahan isn't perfect. Some of his decisions, especially being overly conservative 4th downs, have been frustrating as hell. That said, his flaws pale in comparison to what he brings to the table and I can't imagine wanting to move on. We were a joke of a franchise with almost no talent on either side of the ball when Kyle got here. Now, Kyle and Lynch have built us into one of the best teams on and off the field.

Losing the Super Bowl and the NFCC sucked hard (the SB especially, I never expected to be in the NFCC), but we were only a few plays away from winning either game. It's silly to act like Kyle can't win a SB when the randomness of the game could easily have swung those games in our favor.

All he needs is and elite MVP QB and a lead in the 4Q and it's game over...for him.

Honestly, if Mike Person knew to punch Chris Jones in the ribs to get his hands down and prevent a couple blocked passes, I think we could be sitting here talking about Questfor7.

For real. Or just no injury to Richburg too. Those were 3rd down knock downs to open receivers. So frustrating.

Kyle should have just told his Offensive line to hold.
Originally posted by Giedi:
I think two moves illustrate that he's not sitting on his laurels and is ambitious enough to make it to the top tier of coaches. First his ballsy decision to trade three number one picks for Trey Lance. That is BALLSY! I don't see either Fat Andy or Bellicheat doing that. Second decision - not really ballsy, but a recognition that his OLine isn't up to snuff - two straight years two draft picks devoted to the OLine, and they were high draft picks too. Banks was a number 2 pick, and Burford a number 4 pick (in a very deep Offensive Line draft). I think there was something to the idea that Kyle only liked strong armed pocket passers, and some of his past statements about mobile QB's sounded like he tried to avoid them. But the fact that he went all in on Trey Lance shows me he's not afraid to self scout and change. Walsh did something similar after the '81 super bowl. Walsh thought he could get away with mediocre running backs with his offensive system, but after having a horrible '82 season - he saw the error of his ways and traded for Wendell, a fantastic tier one running back.

Walsh's best clutch runner in '82 was his quarterback, Joe Montana, but all too often Montana was running for his life. His play-run fakes didn't fool anyone; he had to keep the ball himself because he didn't have a running back to hand off to. Worse still, the 49ers' offense became so predictable—opponents concentrated on Wide Receiver Dwight Clark, gang-tackled Montana and forgot about everyone else—that people no longer were calling Walsh a genius.
[...]
Walsh gave the Los Angeles Rams a No. 2 and a No. 4 pick in the 1983 draft in exchange for Tyler, Defensive End Cody Jones and a No. 3 draft choice. To listen to Walsh, the acquisition of Tyler alone was a stroke of, well, sheer genius. "If I had my choice of any available back," he says, "or perhaps any back, period, I would have taken Wendell Tyler."
https://vault.si.com/vault/1983/09/05/its-the-end-zoneor-bust

Good post. We can only hope that the O-Line does It's Nov this season. There's nothing more frustrating than having an O-Line that Is constantly being pushed backwards whilst the QB Is doing his best to make a play. As you said though, It was a ballsy decision to move up and draft Lance ( wasn't expecting that tbh ). Now we finally have out QB, I feel as though their will be higher expectations to win super bowls. The O-Line, QB, Wr's, RB's, Defense, ST, coached will all need to be on the same level for that to happen. As most know, the head coach Is always most responsible for winning/losing games. Let's see what happens now we have a real QB.
Originally posted by 9moon:
You're making it sound like Mahomes is Joe Montana...

ONLY C. Collinsworth gets to say that " have you taken a look who's on the other end ? " and that will forever be for Montana ONLY...

Had KS learned what to do after the Atlanta (SB) Fiasco, maybe he would have thought that running the ball was the best way.. and had we ran the ball with his SO CALLED creativity and gotten the 1st down, Mahomes' name woulda been in the same discussion as Jim Kelly or Dan Marino and even an early Elway career because he would have been 0-2 in the Super Bowl.

You didn't seem to mind that we took the ball from Grappy's hand and ran it down in GB's throat all day long, but yet you give your BEST FOOTBALL COACH EVER (KS10) the thumbs up on calling several pass plays because KC loaded up the LOS?

Dude KC scored 3 TDs in like a matter of 7 mins in the 4th QR.

Whatever you're saying about Montana is great or whatever...but it doesn't proven jack s**t in your debate.

What was there to learn from that ATL SB? please breakdown the plays and tell me what they should have called vs certain coverages...please show me. They win that s**t all the same if ATL's D didn't give up almost 600 yards. IF Julian Edelman doesn't make one of the craziest catches in SB history they win. IF Ryan throws a ball away instead of take a 10 yard sack, they probably win. If Matthews doesn't get called for a holding penalty they win. So much s**t goes into winning a football game. End of the day the HC makes the final decisions. Unless you're telling me Kyle was the HC in ATL?

Moon quit making up s**t. I never said Kyle is the best HC of all time. I already showed you all the missed reads from Jimmy and what KC was running. I showed you Jimmy audible out of a run play in the 4th QR. Not a f**king peep from you about any of that. Guys were open and KC dared Jimmy to make a f**king play and he couldn't overall.

Kyle coached with GB's defensive coordinator in Cleveland. Pettine ran dime defense more than any DC (over 50% of the time). Dude never made adjustments and they didn't have the personnel to matchup vs SF's running game.
Originally posted by NCommand:
All he needs is and elite MVP QB and a lead in the 4Q and it's game over...for him.

All he needs is a QB that can read a defense, not s**t his pants when he has any sort of pressure, and throw a half way accurate ball.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 9moon:
You're making it sound like Mahomes is Joe Montana...

ONLY C. Collinsworth gets to say that " have you taken a look who's on the other end ? " and that will forever be for Montana ONLY...

Had KS learned what to do after the Atlanta (SB) Fiasco, maybe he would have thought that running the ball was the best way.. and had we ran the ball with his SO CALLED creativity and gotten the 1st down, Mahomes' name woulda been in the same discussion as Jim Kelly or Dan Marino and even an early Elway career because he would have been 0-2 in the Super Bowl.

You didn't seem to mind that we took the ball from Grappy's hand and ran it down in GB's throat all day long, but yet you give your BEST FOOTBALL COACH EVER (KS10) the thumbs up on calling several pass plays because KC loaded up the LOS?

Dude KC scored 3 TDs in like a matter of 7 mins in the 4th QR.

Whatever you're saying about Montana is great or whatever...but it doesn't proven jack s**t in your debate.

What was there to learn from that ATL SB? please breakdown the plays and tell me what they should have called vs certain coverages...please show me. They win that s**t all the same if ATL's D didn't give up almost 600 yards. IF Julian Edelman doesn't make one of the craziest catches in SB history they win. IF Ryan throws a ball away instead of take a 10 yard sack, they probably win. If Matthews doesn't get called for a holding penalty they win. So much s**t goes into winning a football game. End of the day the HC makes the final decisions. Unless you're telling me Kyle was the HC in ATL?

Moon quit making up s**t. I never said Kyle is the best HC of all time. I already showed you all the missed reads from Jimmy and what KC was running. I showed you Jimmy audible out of a run play in the 4th QR. Not a f**king peep from you about any of that. Guys were open and KC dared Jimmy to make a f**king play and he couldn't overall.

Kyle coached with GB's defensive coordinator in Cleveland. Pettine ran dime defense more than any DC (over 50% of the time). Dude never made adjustments and they didn't have the personnel to matchup vs SF's running game.
you scared to take the bet !?! -9moon

Originally posted by Sickaa:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Shanahan isn't perfect. Some of his decisions, especially being overly conservative 4th downs, have been frustrating as hell. That said, his flaws pale in comparison to what he brings to the table and I can't imagine wanting to move on. We were a joke of a franchise with almost no talent on either side of the ball when Kyle got here. Now, Kyle and Lynch have built us into one of the best teams on and off the field.

Losing the Super Bowl and the NFCC sucked hard (the SB especially, I never expected to be in the NFCC), but we were only a few plays away from winning either game. It's silly to act like Kyle can't win a SB when the randomness of the game could easily have swung those games in our favor.

All he needs is and elite MVP QB and a lead in the 4Q and it's game over...for him.

Honestly, if Mike Person knew to punch Chris Jones in the ribs to get his hands down and prevent a couple blocked passes, I think we could be sitting here talking about Questfor7.

For real. Or just no injury to Richburg too. Those were 3rd down knock downs to open receivers. So frustrating.

Kyle should have just told his Offensive line to hold.

Ryan hit Mohamed Sanu for a 9-yard gain, getting the team at least close to field goal range again, but a holding penalty against left tackle Jake Matthews moved Atlanta back to the New England 45-yard line.

That took them out of FG range in SB. Kyle still has PTSD on holding calls.

Kyle still searching for that fine line between mastermind and luck to win us the 6th.
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Jun 14, 2022 at 12:56 PM ]
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 9moon:
You're making it sound like Mahomes is Joe Montana...

ONLY C. Collinsworth gets to say that " have you taken a look who's on the other end ? " and that will forever be for Montana ONLY...

Had KS learned what to do after the Atlanta (SB) Fiasco, maybe he would have thought that running the ball was the best way.. and had we ran the ball with his SO CALLED creativity and gotten the 1st down, Mahomes' name woulda been in the same discussion as Jim Kelly or Dan Marino and even an early Elway career because he would have been 0-2 in the Super Bowl.

You didn't seem to mind that we took the ball from Grappy's hand and ran it down in GB's throat all day long, but yet you give your BEST FOOTBALL COACH EVER (KS10) the thumbs up on calling several pass plays because KC loaded up the LOS?

Dude KC scored 3 TDs in like a matter of 7 mins in the 4th QR.

Whatever you're saying about Montana is great or whatever...but it doesn't proven jack s**t in your debate.

What was there to learn from that ATL SB? please breakdown the plays and tell me what they should have called vs certain coverages...please show me. They win that s**t all the same if ATL's D didn't give up almost 600 yards. IF Julian Edelman doesn't make one of the craziest catches in SB history they win. IF Ryan throws a ball away instead of take a 10 yard sack, they probably win. If Matthews doesn't get called for a holding penalty they win. So much s**t goes into winning a football game. End of the day the HC makes the final decisions. Unless you're telling me Kyle was the HC in ATL?

Moon quit making up s**t. I never said Kyle is the best HC of all time. I already showed you all the missed reads from Jimmy and what KC was running. I showed you Jimmy audible out of a run play in the 4th QR. Not a f**king peep from you about any of that. Guys were open and KC dared Jimmy to make a f**king play and he couldn't overall.

Kyle coached with GB's defensive coordinator in Cleveland. Pettine ran dime defense more than any DC (over 50% of the time). Dude never made adjustments and they didn't have the personnel to matchup vs SF's running game.
you scared to take the bet !?! -9moon


I mean that that type of s**t response we get...disregard all the talking points, data, film. DON'T show anything to backup your debate and just talk about nonsense lol.

It's my own fault for even debating with him.
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Ryan hit Mohamed Sanu for a 9-yard gain, getting the team at least close to field goal range again, but a holding penalty against left tackle Jake Matthews moved Atlanta back to the New England 45-yard line.

That took them out of FG range in SB. Kyle still has PTSD on holding calls.

Kyle still searching for that fine line between mastermind and luck to win us the 6th.

Tom Coughlin mastered luck pretty well



Where was Jimmy and Ryan on those plays lol?

Where was our Julian?


Where's our Donald moment?


Does Parcells get the W for this?


None of that s**t had to do with the HC.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 9moon:
You're making it sound like Mahomes is Joe Montana...

ONLY C. Collinsworth gets to say that " have you taken a look who's on the other end ? " and that will forever be for Montana ONLY...

Had KS learned what to do after the Atlanta (SB) Fiasco, maybe he would have thought that running the ball was the best way.. and had we ran the ball with his SO CALLED creativity and gotten the 1st down, Mahomes' name woulda been in the same discussion as Jim Kelly or Dan Marino and even an early Elway career because he would have been 0-2 in the Super Bowl.

You didn't seem to mind that we took the ball from Grappy's hand and ran it down in GB's throat all day long, but yet you give your BEST FOOTBALL COACH EVER (KS10) the thumbs up on calling several pass plays because KC loaded up the LOS?

Dude KC scored 3 TDs in like a matter of 7 mins in the 4th QR.

Whatever you're saying about Montana is great or whatever...but it doesn't proven jack s**t in your debate.

What was there to learn from that ATL SB? please breakdown the plays and tell me what they should have called vs certain coverages...please show me. They win that s**t all the same if ATL's D didn't give up almost 600 yards. IF Julian Edelman doesn't make one of the craziest catches in SB history they win. IF Ryan throws a ball away instead of take a 10 yard sack, they probably win. If Matthews doesn't get called for a holding penalty they win. So much s**t goes into winning a football game. End of the day the HC makes the final decisions. Unless you're telling me Kyle was the HC in ATL?

Moon quit making up s**t. I never said Kyle is the best HC of all time. I already showed you all the missed reads from Jimmy and what KC was running. I showed you Jimmy audible out of a run play in the 4th QR. Not a f**king peep from you about any of that. Guys were open and KC dared Jimmy to make a f**king play and he couldn't overall.

Kyle coached with GB's defensive coordinator in Cleveland. Pettine ran dime defense more than any DC (over 50% of the time). Dude never made adjustments and they didn't have the personnel to matchup vs SF's running game.
you scared to take the bet !?! -9moon


I mean that that type of s**t response we get...disregard all the talking points, data, film. DON'T show anything to backup your debate and just talk about nonsense lol.

It's my own fault for even debating with him.
those responses with a few 70s/80s era flash backs.. that mean nothing to the topic lol
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by Sickaa:
Lol not Kyle's finest moment. I see him learning from that experience... Eventually.

Hmmm! He got roasted after that game for not running the football. Getting roasted this offseason for not passing the football.

IMO That's a big part of coaching. Situational awareness. Knowing the right time to call either pass or run. This comes with experience.

As others have mentioned, what Kyle and Lynch have built with this team after the s**t show they we're given have bought them plenty of time.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
those responses with a few 70s/80s era flash backs.. that mean nothing to the topic lol

Like always lol
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by Sickaa:
Lol not Kyle's finest moment. I see him learning from that experience... Eventually.

Hmmm! He got roasted after that game for not running the football. Getting roasted this offseason for not passing the football.

IMO That's a big part of coaching. Situational awareness. Knowing the right time to call either pass or run. This comes with experience.

As others have mentioned, what Kyle and Lynch have built with this team after the s**t show they we're given have bought them plenty of time.

100% experience Is key, especially In those big games. Kudos to Kyle and Lynch for making us relevant again.
When Niners luck out in hiring Kyle, I thought we got the best coach available the next 10 years. Ima ride this horse until it turns crippled and a tongue wagging death.
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
When Niners luck out in hiring Kyle, I thought we got the best coach available the next 10 years. Ima ride this horse until it turns crippled and a tongue wagging death.

Same here. Kyle was option number 1 for me, with McVay being option 2.
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