49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

He needs to get tips from Bochy and Kerr on how to coach a dynasty team. The 49ers are the blackeye of the bay area. SMH. (well, they are not oakland A's bad)

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
But I thought everything comes down to an elite QB (+ luck)?

This is so confusing!

It's so much easier to just blame the QB for everything.

Nah easier to blame the RG. Clearly it has a bigger impact than subpar Qb play.

Good point. Mack was playing on a busted leg that got worse and worse and I don't even remember who the RG was.

^ The point above was a dig at how QB is all fans can see sometimes within the ultimate team sport. When it's our QB, he's 100% reason for a loss. But for all other teams, it's something else (e.g. Brady, Allen, Ryan, Burrow, Mahomes, Jackson, etc.).

Hopefully with Trey, a QB fans want, you guys will be able to get back to looking at the 300 other elements to football.

Originally posted by NCommand:
But I thought everything comes down to an elite QB (+ luck)?

This is so confusing!

It's so much easier to just blame the QB for everything.

Would you not call Edelman's catch a bit lucky? How about Eli Manning's two SB wins and those throws? I'd say there's a bit of luck in being able to complete those passes. That's stuff that goes outside of just play calling.

I'm pointing out the collection of ONE plays that can ultimately change the outcome of a game....f**k yes having a great QB can sway those situations and if you don't think that, then I don't know what to tell you. There's a reason why they make the most money in the NFL. You think NE wins that super bowl vs ATL if they don't have Brady who tossed up 500 yards? Bill hasn't won a playoff game without Brady. McVay couldn't take it to the next level with Goff. Bengals haven't sniffed a Super Bowl until Burrow showed up. We saw what Mahomes did when they needed a play after s**t broke down. Bills were a laughing stock for over a decade, they had 16 straight seasons of missing the playoffs. Now with Allen (and a damn good HC) they're gonna constantly be in discussion to be contenders. We're about to see Seattle become a bottom feeder with Wilson gone.

Why can't you accept the fact that there's a hierarchy of what matters in the NFL and right at the freaking top is the QB position. Yes I agree you need people to execute across the board. If there's a team that accentuates over the past 4 years it's SF. Everyone has to be perfect when your QB is a game manager.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Nah easier to blame the RG. Clearly it has a bigger impact than subpar Qb play.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Good point. Mack was playing on a busted leg that got worse and worse and I don't even remember who the RG was.

^ The point above was a dig at how QB is all fans can see sometimes within the ultimate team sport. When it's our QB, he's 100% reason for a loss. But for all other teams, it's something else (e.g. Brady, Allen, Ryan, Burrow, Mahomes, Jackson, etc.).

Hopefully with Trey, a QB fans want, you guys will be able to get back to looking at the 300 other elements to football.

Well no s**t it's a team sport...and yes you can point out to one play here or there that can change a game (which was what I was saying). Do YOU think Ryan was playing awful football and missing reads in the Super Bowl? Did he have the worst 4th QR QB rating in Super Bowl history? Does he have more INTs than TDs in his playoff history? That D was giving up over 25 pts/per in the playoffs. That ATL O was avging 36 pts/per in the playoffs.

Acting like the hierarchy of what matters on offense starts at say RG is fake news. It starts with the QB and overall that wasn't the problem in ATL IMO. Comparing Jimmy to those above guys (Brady/Allen/Ryan/Burrow/Mahomes/Jackson etc) is silly because when s**t breaks down around them overall they've been able to still win games (put the team on their back). Jimmy has not, he's a game manager and when s**t hits the fan and we need him to be MORE than that, well he's shown overall that's just not who he is. His playoffs numbers back it up.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Nah easier to blame the RG. Clearly it has a bigger impact than subpar Qb play.

Technically, poor O-Line play can affect a QBs performance. As previously mentioned by other posters on here. It's a team game. There we're a number of reasons we lost to the Rams. QB, OL, coaching, ect.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Nah easier to blame the RG. Clearly it has a bigger impact than subpar Qb play.

Technically, poor O-Line play can affect a QBs performance. As previously mentioned by other posters on here. It's a team game. There we're a number of reasons we lost to the Rams. QB, OL, coaching, ect.

No doubt...QB play can also affect O-line play/stats all the same.

One example, people in here love to talk about PBWR and how good Tampa Bay's OL is. Well in 2019 (with Winston) they actually had a better PBWR % then the next yr with Brady. In 2019 TB was 4th overall in sacks allowed. In 2020 TB's OL had a worse PBWR % and yet Brady was the second least sacked QB that yr.

Starts at the QB position then everything trickles down. Jimmy hits the correct reads some of those pressures don't exist. If Jimmy could move and make off structure plays when plays breakdown then that's another element a defense has to plan for. I agree SF lost that game for a lot of reasons and yet still almost won lol.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Nah easier to blame the RG. Clearly it has a bigger impact than subpar Qb play.

Technically, poor O-Line play can affect a QBs performance. As previously mentioned by other posters on here. It's a team game. There we're a number of reasons we lost to the Rams. QB, OL, coaching, ect.

No doubt...QB play can also affect O-line play/stats all the same.

One example, people in here love to talk about PBWR and how good Tampa Bay's OL is. Well in 2019 (with Winston) they actually had a better PBWR % then the next yr with Brady. In 2019 TB was 4th overall in sacks allowed. In 2020 TB's OL had a worse PBWR % and yet Brady was the second least sacked QB that yr.

Starts at the QB position then everything trickles down. Jimmy hits the correct reads some of those pressures don't exist. If Jimmy could move and make off structure plays when plays breakdown then that's another element a defense has to plan for. I agree SF lost that game for a lot of reasons and yet still almost won lol.

No doubt. Football Is the ultimate team sport. It only takes one mistake from an Individual to lose a game. And like you said, it normally comes down to the QB being able to execute more than anything and the fact we came so close to beating the Rams despite Jimmy having one of the worst games of his career, gives us all hope that we'll be winning super bowls with Lance In the near future.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Nah easier to blame the RG. Clearly it has a bigger impact than subpar Qb play.

Technically, poor O-Line play can affect a QBs performance. As previously mentioned by other posters on here. It's a team game. There we're a number of reasons we lost to the Rams. QB, OL, coaching, ect.

Bingo.

Again this debate about Shanahan good lord...Jed listen to me and don´t let that guy leave the building.
It was a mistake to let Mike go to the Broncos. That shoud not happen again.

Originally posted by pdc20:
Again this debate about Shanahan good lord...Jed listen to me and don´t let that guy leave the building.
It was a mistake to let Mike go to the Broncos. That shoud not happen again.

Don't worry. He's not going anywhere

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
But I thought everything comes down to an elite QB (+ luck)?

This is so confusing!

It's so much easier to just blame the QB for everything.

Would you not call Edelman's catch a bit lucky? How about Eli Manning's two SB wins and those throws? I'd say there's a bit of luck in being able to complete those passes. That's stuff that goes outside of just play calling.

I'm pointing out the collection of ONE plays that can ultimately change the outcome of a game....f**k yes having a great QB can sway those situations and if you don't think that, then I don't know what to tell you. There's a reason why they make the most money in the NFL. You think NE wins that super bowl vs ATL if they don't have Brady who tossed up 500 yards? Bill hasn't won a playoff game without Brady. McVay couldn't take it to the next level with Goff. Bengals haven't sniffed a Super Bowl until Burrow showed up. We saw what Mahomes did when they needed a play after s**t broke down. Bills were a laughing stock for over a decade, they had 16 straight seasons of missing the playoffs. Now with Allen (and a damn good HC) they're gonna constantly be in discussion to be contenders. We're about to see Seattle become a bottom feeder with Wilson gone.

Why can't you accept the fact that there's a hierarchy of what matters in the NFL and right at the freaking top is the QB position. Yes I agree you need people to execute across the board. If there's a team that accentuates over the past 4 years it's SF. Everyone has to be perfect when your QB is a game manager.

Of course a top QB can play a major part in a Superbowl. LOL. That's never been in question.

The issue with you is that's all you can see. A top QB isn't going to play at a top level every game.

For instance, you quickly defer to the defense as the main reason Kyle lost but are unwilling to look at Kyle himself or Ryan at the same micro-level you do with a QB named Jimmy Garoppolo. You wouldn't dare factor in our defense collapsing, giving up 21 points in 5 minutes in the same manner.

Had you ACTUALLY been able to be objective, you'd see that the defense, play calling, OL (esp. Mack's injury and an inability to run block), Ryan (taking a massive no-no sack that turned the whole momentum around), etc. ALL contributed to that EPIC historic collapse.

And that was with your MVP Elite QB + luck.

Now we'll get to see if you start objectively reviewing all our other team issues now that Trey is here; a QB you like. If you can't, you'll remain far too QB-centric IMHO. If so, now you're finally seeing the team sport better (and our team's issues/trends, specifically)...which makes for far better quality and quantity conversations.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by pdc20:
Again this debate about Shanahan good lord...Jed listen to me and don´t let that guy leave the building.
It was a mistake to let Mike go to the Broncos. That shoud not happen again.

Don't worry. He's not going anywhere

Agreed. At least not for another 3 years.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Nah easier to blame the RG. Clearly it has a bigger impact than subpar Qb play.

Technically, poor O-Line play can affect a QBs performance. As previously mentioned by other posters on here. It's a team game. There we're a number of reasons we lost to the Rams. QB, OL, coaching, ect.

No doubt...QB play can also affect O-line play/stats all the same.

One example, people in here love to talk about PBWR and how good Tampa Bay's OL is. Well in 2019 (with Winston) they actually had a better PBWR % then the next yr with Brady. In 2019 TB was 4th overall in sacks allowed. In 2020 TB's OL had a worse PBWR % and yet Brady was the second least sacked QB that yr.

Starts at the QB position then everything trickles down. Jimmy hits the correct reads some of those pressures don't exist. If Jimmy could move and make off structure plays when plays breakdown then that's another element a defense has to plan for. I agree SF lost that game for a lot of reasons and yet still almost won lol.

No doubt. Football Is the ultimate team sport. It only takes one mistake from an Individual to lose a game. And like you said, it normally comes down to the QB being able to execute more than anything and the fact we came so close to beating the Rams despite Jimmy having one of the worst games of his career, gives us all hope that we'll be winning super bowls with Lance In the near future.

An important factor to this ideology is how much is on the QB too. Jimmy Garoppolo or Trey Lance simply may get far far less opportunities to influence the game because of the team formula and game plan compared to an offense like the Rams or Bengals. They are still likely to be the biggest factor but these two are not the same.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Of course a top QB can play a major part in a Superbowl. LOL. That's never been in question.

The issue with you is that's all you can see. A top QB isn't going to play at a top level every game.

For instance, you quickly defer to the defense as the main reason Kyle lost but are unwilling to look at Kyle himself or Ryan at the same micro-level you do with a QB named Jimmy Garoppolo.

Had you ACTUALLY been able to be objective, you'd see that the defense, play calling, OL (esp. Mack's injury and an inability to run block), Ryan (taking a massive no-no sack that turned the whole momentum around), etc. ALL contributed to that EPIC historic collapse.

And that was with your MVP Elite QB + luck.

Now we'll get to see if you start objectively reviewing all our other team issues now that Trey is here; a QB you like. If you can't, you'll remain far too QB-centric IMHO. If so, now you're finally seeing the team sport better (and our team's issues/trends, specifically)...which makes for far better quality and quantity conversations.

Lol that's completely false. I talk about the QB play HERE because it's been subpar/avg for two decades. How about YOU be objective for once and open your damn eyes. Worst QB rating in the 4th QR of a super bowl, one of the worst QB rating in the playoffs, more INTs then TDs, missed reads all over the damn field. He's a game manger & needs everything AROUND HIM to be better than other QBs. s**t breaks down he's not bailing this team out overall. You should EXPECT your highest paid & most important player on the field to do that s**t. You saw the same crap with Goff and that great OL you love to talk about. He was dogs**t under pressure. It's not difficult in DET for him with one of the best OLs in football.

Mico-level? Oh okay….since you've clearly been doing that. Show me all the plays where the play call/QB play was horrible vs said coverage and what play should have been called? Please show me. Ryan avg 330 yards per game and had 9TDs with no INTs during that playoff run. He was far from the issue for that loss. He could have done a little more but allowing 600 yards of offense and blowing a lead like that SHOULD be talked about, especially when your head coach is suppose to be a defensive guru. Imagine if SF put up 3 pts in the SB (cough McVay) and that D only allowed 14? Everyone would be s**tting on Kyle because he's the offensive guru.

I literally provided examples outside of QB play that lead to the loss…not objective lol? I f**king said exactly what you're saying I'm not talking about.

again does Bill win that SB without Brady and his 500 passing yards? He has yet to show he can win a playoff game without him (with damn near the same overall roster). I brought up all kinds of different franchise and what they were/are with and without FQBs.

oh spare me the QB I like b******t, I was a fan of Jimmy for years. He had 4 yrs here. If Lance ends up playing like him after 4 yrs with the same issues I got no problem calling him out. I don't expect him to be great tomorrow.

there's a hierarchy of what matters and sitting at the top is QB/HC. That doesn't mean I don't care about the RG or safety BUT you NEED those other things to be successful long-term. Better QB play improves EVERYTHING, it also doesn't mean you should run out there with a bunch of UDFAs around him either.