Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Of course a top QB can play a major part in a Superbowl. LOL. That's never been in question.
The issue with you is that's all you can see. A top QB isn't going to play at a top level every game.
For instance, you quickly defer to the defense as the main reason Kyle lost but are unwilling to look at Kyle himself or Ryan at the same micro-level you do with a QB named Jimmy Garoppolo.
Had you ACTUALLY been able to be objective, you'd see that the defense, play calling, OL (esp. Mack's injury and an inability to run block), Ryan (taking a massive no-no sack that turned the whole momentum around), etc. ALL contributed to that EPIC historic collapse.
And that was with your MVP Elite QB + luck.
Now we'll get to see if you start objectively reviewing all our other team issues now that Trey is here; a QB you like. If you can't, you'll remain far too QB-centric IMHO. If so, now you're finally seeing the team sport better (and our team's issues/trends, specifically)...which makes for far better quality and quantity conversations.
Lol that's completely false. I talk about the QB play HERE because it's been subpar/avg for two decades. How about YOU be objective for once and open your damn eyes. Worst QB rating in the 4th QR of a super bowl, one of the worst QB rating in the playoffs, more INTs then TDs, missed reads all over the damn field. He's a game manger & needs everything AROUND HIM to be better than other QBs. s**t breaks down he's not bailing this team out overall. You should EXPECT your highest paid & most important player on the field to do that s**t. You saw the same crap with Goff and that great OL you love to talk about. He was dogs**t under pressure. It's not difficult in DET for him with one of the best OLs in football.
Mico-level? Oh okay….since you've clearly been doing that. Show me all the plays where the play call/QB play was horrible vs said coverage and what play should have been called? Please show me. Ryan avg 330 yards per game and had 9TDs with no INTs during that playoff run. He was far from the issue for that loss. He could have done a little more but allowing 600 yards of offense and blowing a lead like that SHOULD be talked about, especially when your head coach is suppose to be a defensive guru. Imagine if SF put up 3 pts in the SB (cough McVay) and that D only allowed 14? Everyone would be s**tting on Kyle because he's the offensive guru.
I literally provided examples outside of QB play that lead to the loss…not objective lol? I f**king said exactly what you're saying I'm not talking about.
again does Bill win that SB without Brady and his 500 passing yards? He has yet to show he can win a playoff game without him (with damn near the same overall roster). I brought up all kinds of different franchise and what they were/are with and without FQBs.
oh spare me the QB I like b******t, I was a fan of Jimmy for years. He had 4 yrs here. If Lance ends up playing like him after 4 yrs with the same issues I got no problem calling him out. I don't expect him to be great tomorrow.
there's a hierarchy of what matters and sitting at the top is QB/HC. That doesn't mean I don't care about the RG or safety BUT you NEED those other things to be successful long-term. Better QB play improves EVERYTHING, it also doesn't mean you should run out there with a bunch of UDFAs around him either.
LOL. Sorry for triggering you.
Just make sure to keep that same energy going forward. We're going to have some great debates and I'm willing to bet, we'll far more be one the same page soon.
