49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Are we talking about Eric Crocker who never played QB in the NFL and only lasted 1 season as a CB in the NFL and has never played or coached under Kyle Shanahan? That Eric Crocker?

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Are we talking about Eric Crocker who never played QB in the NFL and only lasted 1 season as a CB in the NFL and has never played or coached under Kyle Shanahan? That Eric Crocker?

Yes. And he's not a Jimmy fan at all either. This wasn't about Jimmy but Kyle. He just used a few examples of Jimmy to back up his theory.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Are we talking about Eric Crocker who never played QB in the NFL and only lasted 1 season as a CB in the NFL and has never played or coached under Kyle Shanahan? That Eric Crocker?

Yes. And he's not a Jimmy fan at all either. This wasn't about Jimmy but Kyle. He just used a few examples of Jimmy to back up his theory.

So why should we care what this guy has to say about our team, the QB position and Kyle Shanahan?

Now, as to the main reason I brought this topic here, Trey is the first hand picked QB he personally has ever taken in the 1st round. As Hero noted via Middlekauff, he almost wants his QB's to be robotic.

There is going to be so much pressure on Kyle for Trey to succeed, could we see an even more "control freak" approach; maybe, overboard? That is my one concern.

And if so, what would be the early signs?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Are we talking about Eric Crocker who never played QB in the NFL and only lasted 1 season as a CB in the NFL and has never played or coached under Kyle Shanahan? That Eric Crocker?

Yes. And he's not a Jimmy fan at all either. This wasn't about Jimmy but Kyle. He just used a few examples of Jimmy to back up his theory.

So why should we care what this guy has to say about our team, the QB position and Kyle Shanahan?

^ Because according to RGIII and JTS, when it's too much, it wrecks your confidence, you lose what made you you, and once you show a weakness or lack of success, Kyle never goes back there by controlling the play calling. This is where he used examples of the deep ball, using spread concepts vs. drilling in the primary read, etc.

I posted the podcast for you and time stamped it. It's only a few minutes. Maybe you'd see his point better if it wasn't NC noting it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by thl408:
I heard Crocker say that and I think he's just speculating. To suggest that Kyle restricted Jimmy I find funny because I think Kyle 'made' Jimmy more than restricted him. Perhaps a passing offense that uses more spread formations could fit Jimmy better. I think Jimmy's lower body mechanics is what restricted Jimmy from taking more (being better at) deep throws.

Kyle has always called plays based on what his QB can do / offense around him. A lot of RPO with RG3, down the field plays with Schuab, and when he had a really good pocket QB in Ryan, he used the whole field and turned him into an MVP.

Jimmy can't run an RPO, can't throw down the field or outside the numbers, and sure as s**t can't improvise. Instead Kyle took advantage of his quick release and middle of the field good accuracy.

Anyone who doesn't have a vendetta against Kyle would understand this.

Shanahan should be under pressure for Trey to succeed as this is his 1st round (#3 overall) hand picked QB. There is nothing that I have seen that tells me Trey won't succeed though. This team is stacked when it comes to receiving weapons and Kyle is a fine playcaller. While the jury may still be out on whether Jimmy can have the same success he has had here playing somewhere else. Shanahan has gotten the most out of every other QB that has played under him. I cannot see it being any different when it comes to Trey Lance. The question should be more about whether Kyle has an eye for selecting QB talent than it does about how he restricts his QB's for the reason mentioned above.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Are we talking about Eric Crocker who never played QB in the NFL and only lasted 1 season as a CB in the NFL and has never played or coached under Kyle Shanahan? That Eric Crocker?

Yes. And he's not a Jimmy fan at all either. This wasn't about Jimmy but Kyle. He just used a few examples of Jimmy to back up his theory.

So why should we care what this guy has to say about our team, the QB position and Kyle Shanahan?

^ Because according to RGIII and JTS, when it's too much, it wrecks your confidence, you lose what made you you, and once you show a weakness or lack of success, Kyle never goes back there by controlling the play calling. This is where he used examples of the deep ball, using spread concepts vs. drilling in the primary read, etc.

I posted the podcast for you and time stamped it. It's only a few minutes. Maybe you'd see his point better if it wasn't NC noting it.

That's not true. For one example, when GB, in the divisional round, was clamping down on the short/intermediate, middle of the field (Jimmy's bread and butter), Kyle started calling passes outside the numbers and we got very lucky that GB didn't pick those 2-3 passes off and run them back for TD's.

Kyle's job as a playcaller, first and foremost, is to put the offense in the best position to succeed. You don't go to the QB's weaknesses with the game on the line unless you absolutely have to. You save that stuff for practice and typically don't try it in a game unless a QB proves that he can be consistent with it.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Are we talking about Eric Crocker who never played QB in the NFL and only lasted 1 season as a CB in the NFL and has never played or coached under Kyle Shanahan? That Eric Crocker?

Yes. And he's not a Jimmy fan at all either. This wasn't about Jimmy but Kyle. He just used a few examples of Jimmy to back up his theory.

So why should we care what this guy has to say about our team, the QB position and Kyle Shanahan?

^ Because according to RGIII and JTS, when it's too much, it wrecks your confidence, you lose what made you you, and once you show a weakness or lack of success, Kyle never goes back there by controlling the play calling. This is where he used examples of the deep ball, using spread concepts vs. drilling in the primary read, etc.

I posted the podcast for you and time stamped it. It's only a few minutes. Maybe you'd see his point better if it wasn't NC noting it.

Maybe it's the whole notion of "control freak" and how that comes with a negative connotation. Head coaches are controls freaks by nature, and I know we are talking specifically about the passing offense. A head coach that also calls the passing plays will want things executed his way.

To have a consistent passing offense, a QB has to execute his reads from the pocket. That has been shown to result in the best way to pass the ball on a down to down basis. If the plan is to make Lance a good pocket QB, then Lance needs to play from it.

Was Walsh a control freak when he wanted Steve Young to stay in the pocket and exhaust all his options before scrambling? And Young has spoken about how Kap, a mobile QB, should "tie his legs together" in order to force himself to play from the pocket (go through progressions).

There's a long term plan in place to make Lance a complete QB and it'll be a balancing act for Kyle and Lance - do what it takes to win while also developing pockets skills along the way.

The notion that Kyle restricted Jimmy, I'm not buying it. But if Jimmy goes to another team and starts running around making plays then I'd admit I'm wrong.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by thl408:
I heard Crocker say that and I think he's just speculating. To suggest that Kyle restricted Jimmy I find funny because I think Kyle 'made' Jimmy more than restricted him. Perhaps a passing offense that uses more spread formations could fit Jimmy better. I think Jimmy's lower body mechanics is what restricted Jimmy from taking more (being better at) deep throws.

Kyle has always called plays based on what his QB can do / offense around him. A lot of RPO with RG3, down the field plays with Schuab, and when he had a really good pocket QB in Ryan, he used the whole field and turned him into an MVP.

Jimmy can't run an RPO, can't throw down the field or outside the numbers, and sure as s**t can't improvise. Instead Kyle took advantage of his quick release and middle of the field good accuracy.

Anyone who doesn't have a vendetta against Kyle would understand this.

It's really that simple ^^^ but not for some… cough NC, sick and others

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
It's really that simple ^^^ but not for some… cough NC, sick and others

And basically everyone on the net who Isn't biased towards Kyle and the 9ers. My Issue with Kyle Is those 4th Q meltdowns. Idk anything about Kyle being a control freak.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Are we talking about Eric Crocker who never played QB in the NFL and only lasted 1 season as a CB in the NFL and has never played or coached under Kyle Shanahan? That Eric Crocker?

Yes. And he's not a Jimmy fan at all either. This wasn't about Jimmy but Kyle. He just used a few examples of Jimmy to back up his theory.

So why should we care what this guy has to say about our team, the QB position and Kyle Shanahan?

^ Because according to RGIII and JTS, when it's too much, it wrecks your confidence, you lose what made you you, and once you show a weakness or lack of success, Kyle never goes back there by controlling the play calling. This is where he used examples of the deep ball, using spread concepts vs. drilling in the primary read, etc.

I posted the podcast for you and time stamped it. It's only a few minutes. Maybe you'd see his point better if it wasn't NC noting it.

Maybe it's the whole notion of "control freak" and how that comes with a negative connotation. Head coaches are controls freaks by nature, and I know we are talking specifically about the passing offense. A head coach that also calls the passing plays will want things executed his way.

To have a consistent passing offense, a QB has to execute his reads from the pocket. That has been shown to result in the best way to pass the ball on a down to down basis. If the plan is to make Lance a good pocket QB, then Lance needs to play from it.

Was Walsh a control freak when he wanted Steve Young to stay in the pocket and exhaust all his options before scrambling? And Young has spoken about how Kap, a mobile QB, should "tie his legs together" in order to force himself to play from the pocket (go through progressions).

There's a long term plan in place to make Lance a complete QB and it'll be a balancing act for Kyle and Lance - do what it takes to win while also developing pockets skills along the way.

The notion that Kyle restricted Jimmy, I'm not buying it. But if Jimmy goes to another team and starts running around making plays then I'd admit I'm wrong.

Again, it's not the notion of being a control freak to where it's a positive (e.g. making a mobile QB stay in the pocket until the play is exhausted).

It's to the point where Middlekauff noted (wants his QB's robotic)...RGIII...JTS. To where QB's are getting blasted by him (JG/Ryan), lose confidence, feel more restricted and comfortable in other schemes (spread vs. WCO), etc. To where they don't feel they have any/much control in the offense. Lose their individuality and what made them high draft picks to begin with.

Now, I'm not saying most of it wouldn't be justified. What I'm saying is this will be the first time Kyle is personally HEAVILY invested in a raw raw 21 year old QB. IF he truly can be too much of a control freak, this is the most likely scenario where we'll see it most.

And if Crock's theory does come to fruition, we should start to see some early signs of it.

As to to his other point about Jimmy, he's saying if he goes to a different system like a spread system where HE chooses who to throw to, starts throwing deeper more, plays a bit more off script like he did in 2017, that'll be more evidence to his claim. Not that Jimmy is going to run around like Russell Wilson without an OL. LOL

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Are we talking about Eric Crocker who never played QB in the NFL and only lasted 1 season as a CB in the NFL and has never played or coached under Kyle Shanahan? That Eric Crocker?

Yes. And he's not a Jimmy fan at all either. This wasn't about Jimmy but Kyle. He just used a few examples of Jimmy to back up his theory.

So why should we care what this guy has to say about our team, the QB position and Kyle Shanahan?

^ Because according to RGIII and JTS, when it's too much, it wrecks your confidence, you lose what made you you, and once you show a weakness or lack of success, Kyle never goes back there by controlling the play calling. This is where he used examples of the deep ball, using spread concepts vs. drilling in the primary read, etc.

I posted the podcast for you and time stamped it. It's only a few minutes. Maybe you'd see his point better if it wasn't NC noting it.

Maybe it's the whole notion of "control freak" and how that comes with a negative connotation. Head coaches are controls freaks by nature, and I know we are talking specifically about the passing offense. A head coach that also calls the passing plays will want things executed his way.

To have a consistent passing offense, a QB has to execute his reads from the pocket. That has been shown to result in the best way to pass the ball on a down to down basis. If the plan is to make Lance a good pocket QB, then Lance needs to play from it.

Was Walsh a control freak when he wanted Steve Young to stay in the pocket and exhaust all his options before scrambling? And Young has spoken about how Kap, a mobile QB, should "tie his legs together" in order to force himself to play from the pocket (go through progressions).

There's a long term plan in place to make Lance a complete QB and it'll be a balancing act for Kyle and Lance - do what it takes to win while also developing pockets skills along the way.

The notion that Kyle restricted Jimmy, I'm not buying it. But if Jimmy goes to another team and starts running around making plays then I'd admit I'm wrong.

Again, it's not the notion of being a control freak to where it's a positive (e.g. making a mobile QB stay in the pocket until the play is exhausted).

It's to the point where Middlekauff noted (robot)...RGIII...JTS. To where QB's are getting blasted by him (JG/Ryan), lose confidence, feel more restricted and comfortable in other schemes (spread vs. WCO), etc. To where they don't feel they have any/much control in the offense. Lose their individuality and what made them high draft picks to begin with.

Now, I'm not saying most of it wouldn't be justified. What I'm saying is this will be the first time Kyle is personally HEAVILY invested in a raw raw 21 year old QB. IF he truly can be too much of a control freak, this is the most likely scenario where we'll see it most.

And if Crock's theory does come to fruition, we should start to see some early signs of it.

As to to his other point about Jimmy, he's saying if he goes to a different system like a spread system where HE chooses who to throw to, starts throwing deeper more, plays a bit more off script like he did in 2017, that'll be more evidence to his claim. Not that Jimmy is going to run around like Russell Wilson without an OL. LOL

So what's crocks theory, shannys QBs can't go through progressions ?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Are we talking about Eric Crocker who never played QB in the NFL and only lasted 1 season as a CB in the NFL and has never played or coached under Kyle Shanahan? That Eric Crocker?

Yes. And he's not a Jimmy fan at all either. This wasn't about Jimmy but Kyle. He just used a few examples of Jimmy to back up his theory.

So why should we care what this guy has to say about our team, the QB position and Kyle Shanahan?

^ Because according to RGIII and JTS, when it's too much, it wrecks your confidence, you lose what made you you, and once you show a weakness or lack of success, Kyle never goes back there by controlling the play calling. This is where he used examples of the deep ball, using spread concepts vs. drilling in the primary read, etc.

I posted the podcast for you and time stamped it. It's only a few minutes. Maybe you'd see his point better if it wasn't NC noting it.

Maybe it's the whole notion of "control freak" and how that comes with a negative connotation. Head coaches are controls freaks by nature, and I know we are talking specifically about the passing offense. A head coach that also calls the passing plays will want things executed his way.

To have a consistent passing offense, a QB has to execute his reads from the pocket. That has been shown to result in the best way to pass the ball on a down to down basis. If the plan is to make Lance a good pocket QB, then Lance needs to play from it.

Was Walsh a control freak when he wanted Steve Young to stay in the pocket and exhaust all his options before scrambling? And Young has spoken about how Kap, a mobile QB, should "tie his legs together" in order to force himself to play from the pocket (go through progressions).

There's a long term plan in place to make Lance a complete QB and it'll be a balancing act for Kyle and Lance - do what it takes to win while also developing pockets skills along the way.

The notion that Kyle restricted Jimmy, I'm not buying it. But if Jimmy goes to another team and starts running around making plays then I'd admit I'm wrong.

Again, it's not the notion of being a control freak to where it's a positive (e.g. making a mobile QB stay in the pocket until the play is exhausted).

It's to the point where Middlekauff noted (robot)...RGIII...JTS. To where QB's are getting blasted by him (JG/Ryan), lose confidence, feel more restricted and comfortable in other schemes (spread vs. WCO), etc. To where they don't feel they have any/much control in the offense. Lose their individuality and what made them high draft picks to begin with.

Now, I'm not saying most of it wouldn't be justified. What I'm saying is this will be the first time Kyle is personally HEAVILY invested in a raw raw 21 year old QB. IF he truly can be too much of a control freak, this is the most likely scenario where we'll see it most.

And if Crock's theory does come to fruition, we should start to see some early signs of it.

As to to his other point about Jimmy, he's saying if he goes to a different system like a spread system where HE chooses who to throw to, starts throwing deeper more, plays a bit more off script like he did in 2017, that'll be more evidence to his claim. Not that Jimmy is going to run around like Russell Wilson without an OL. LOL

So what's crocks theory, shannys QBs can't go through progressions ?

Is this really that hard of a concept? Must be. Sorry.

Hell, I even posted the podcast for you and time stamped it. Maybe you should listen to it before posting negative s**t everywhere?

No need to instantly defend or assume this is an agenda against Kyle. It started with comments from former QB's who played under both Shanahan's and noted as an observation and something to watch for going forward.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Are we talking about Eric Crocker who never played QB in the NFL and only lasted 1 season as a CB in the NFL and has never played or coached under Kyle Shanahan? That Eric Crocker?

Yes. And he's not a Jimmy fan at all either. This wasn't about Jimmy but Kyle. He just used a few examples of Jimmy to back up his theory.

So why should we care what this guy has to say about our team, the QB position and Kyle Shanahan?

^ Because according to RGIII and JTS, when it's too much, it wrecks your confidence, you lose what made you you, and once you show a weakness or lack of success, Kyle never goes back there by controlling the play calling. This is where he used examples of the deep ball, using spread concepts vs. drilling in the primary read, etc.

I posted the podcast for you and time stamped it. It's only a few minutes. Maybe you'd see his point better if it wasn't NC noting it.

Maybe it's the whole notion of "control freak" and how that comes with a negative connotation. Head coaches are controls freaks by nature, and I know we are talking specifically about the passing offense. A head coach that also calls the passing plays will want things executed his way.

To have a consistent passing offense, a QB has to execute his reads from the pocket. That has been shown to result in the best way to pass the ball on a down to down basis. If the plan is to make Lance a good pocket QB, then Lance needs to play from it.

Was Walsh a control freak when he wanted Steve Young to stay in the pocket and exhaust all his options before scrambling? And Young has spoken about how Kap, a mobile QB, should "tie his legs together" in order to force himself to play from the pocket (go through progressions).

There's a long term plan in place to make Lance a complete QB and it'll be a balancing act for Kyle and Lance - do what it takes to win while also developing pockets skills along the way.

The notion that Kyle restricted Jimmy, I'm not buying it. But if Jimmy goes to another team and starts running around making plays then I'd admit I'm wrong.

Again, it's not the notion of being a control freak to where it's a positive (e.g. making a mobile QB stay in the pocket until the play is exhausted).

It's to the point where Middlekauff noted (robot)...RGIII...JTS. To where QB's are getting blasted by him (JG/Ryan), lose confidence, feel more restricted and comfortable in other schemes (spread vs. WCO), etc. To where they don't feel they have any/much control in the offense. Lose their individuality and what made them high draft picks to begin with.

Now, I'm not saying most of it wouldn't be justified. What I'm saying is this will be the first time Kyle is personally HEAVILY invested in a raw raw 21 year old QB. IF he truly can be too much of a control freak, this is the most likely scenario where we'll see it most.

And if Crock's theory does come to fruition, we should start to see some early signs of it.

As to to his other point about Jimmy, he's saying if he goes to a different system like a spread system where HE chooses who to throw to, starts throwing deeper more, plays a bit more off script like he did in 2017, that'll be more evidence to his claim. Not that Jimmy is going to run around like Russell Wilson without an OL. LOL

So what's crocks theory, shannys QBs can't go through progressions ?

Is this really that hard of a concept? Must be. Sorry.

Hell, I even posted the podcast for you and time stamped it. Maybe you should listen to it before posting negative s**t everywhere?

No need to instantly defend or assume this is an agenda against Kyle. It started with comments from former QB's who played under both Shanahan's.

It's hard because it sounds like BS as it doesn't make any sense, I don't give hacks clicks or listens

you name drop like it confirms anything. It doesn't, if you can't explain crocks bs maybe it's something you shouldn't be repeating