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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Now, as to the main reason I brought this topic here, Trey is the first hand picked QB he personally has ever taken in the 1st round. As Hero noted via Middlekauff, he almost wants his QB's to be robotic.

There is going to be so much pressure on Kyle for Trey to succeed, could we see an even more "control freak" approach; maybe, overboard? That is my one concern.

And if so, what would be the early signs?

To a certain extent, having Kyle being in more of a control position than the QB - is emphasizing Kyle's wonderful play calling instincts. I don't see that as a negative. The QB is going to have to earn Kyle's respect before Kyle will allow him to ad-lib too much out there. There will be plays where the QB can ad-lib, like designed scrambles, and moving pockets. It's in these areas that Trey can gain Kyle's respect as a good audible play caller himself. At some point, if Trey can get Kyle's respect, as Montana did Walsh after 1981, you will see the reigns loosened. Kyle has to feel comfortable that Trey knows both the strategy level and the tactical level - to almost be an offensive coordinator on the field (Like Brady was for Bellicheat) to loosen the reigns, so to speak.

Jimmy, to a certain extent, knew Kyle's offense adequately by mid last year such that Kyle was willing to change up and go five wide, shotgun, quick pass. I think that happened because Jimmy got Kyle's confidence that he knew Kyle's offense and would benefit from some loosening of the reigns. Trey has to get Kyles confidence, but once that is done, Trey will be in total control on the field come game day - and Kyle will possibly, at that point, concede OC duties to Anthony Lynn (or whoever is Kyle's assistant at that point).

Yeah, not about the play calling itself. That'll be a natural progression. But more the pressure, the grinding, the robotic details, the reprimanding, lack of balance, burnout factor, etc. Plus the players own desire. So it got contentious with RGIII because he wanted to run and be a play maker. Trey has that same instinct/mindset and he loves that (his words) so Kyle is going to reel him in.

I'm not too worried but you could see a path where this could get pretty frustrating for both men. It's going to take some time, no doubt. You can see why RGII and JTS said those things. It just wasn't going to fit/work out.

I think Trey's upbringing is going to be a huge factor in it working. Kyle is just going to have to chill out some. They both could be great for each other.

I watched an interview of Mike Shanahan on the subject of RGIII and he claims that it was RGIII's camp that wanted the Shanahan's to stop running him and not the other way around.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
I watched an interview of Mike Shanahan on the subject of RGIII and he claims that it was RGIII's camp that wanted the Shanahan's to stop running him and not the other way around.

That's a fascinating wrinkle. I know Kyle had said he wasn't initially interested in Kaepernick because he'd have to create a whole new offense and the other 10 would have to adapt. I wonder with Kyle building a new offense from scratch for RGIII, if that running element was a big part of that build out and they wanted to stick to the script, so to speak.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
I watched an interview of Mike Shanahan on the subject of RGIII and he claims that it was RGIII's camp that wanted the Shanahan's to stop running him and not the other way around.

That's a fascinating wrinkle. I know Kyle had said he wasn't initially interested in Kaepernick because he'd have to create a whole new offense and the other 10 would have to adapt. I wonder with Kyle building a new offense from scratch for RGIII, if that running element was a big part of that build out and they wanted to stick to the script, so to speak.

It is possible that is why Kyle didn't want Kaepernick. I thought it was because Colin never developed into a true pocket passer. I was always under the impression that the Shanahan's favored Kirk Cousins over RGIII for that very same reason. However, Kyle taking Trey Lance with the #3 overall pick in 2021 completely changed my opinion on what I thought Kyle wanted out of the QB position. That perhaps Kyle didn't actually favor robotic, pocket passing QB's over the athletic QB's. So who knows at this point. Should absolutely make things interesting over the next few seasons for sure.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
I watched an interview of Mike Shanahan on the subject of RGIII and he claims that it was RGIII's camp that wanted the Shanahan's to stop running him and not the other way around.

That's a fascinating wrinkle. I know Kyle had said he wasn't initially interested in Kaepernick because he'd have to create a whole new offense and the other 10 would have to adapt. I wonder with Kyle building a new offense from scratch for RGIII, if that running element was a big part of that build out and they wanted to stick to the script, so to speak.

It is possible that is why Kyle didn't want Kaepernick. I thought it was because Colin never developed into a true pocket passer. I was always under the impression that the Shanahan's favored Kirk Cousins over RGIII for that very same reason. However, Kyle taking Trey Lance with the #3 overall pick in 2021 completely changed my opinion on what I thought Kyle wanted out of the QB position. That perhaps Kyle didn't actually favor robotic, pocket passing QB's over the athletic QB's. So who knows at this point. Should absolutely make things interesting over the next few seasons for sure.

Same here. Yeah, the media kept pressing Kyle on the topic so he expanded on it further. And that confirms the prostyle QB too in Kirk and eventually, BeatHard too.

Then it all changed. He did grow up with Steve Young. It took some time and some head banging but once done, it was the ultimate weapon. And he saw how it started and what it took, and how long to get there.

I 'think' the robotic label isn't related to mobility of the QB but Kyle wanting things a very specific way at a very specific time and drilling that in until its robotic. For a player like RGIII and JTS who might want to ad lib more, I could see how that might drive them crazy and use that term.

Yeah, it's going to be fascinating watching this marriage going forward. If any QB has the acumen, character and desire to take it all in and apply it, it's Lance.
[ Edited by NCommand on Jul 14, 2022 at 8:04 AM ]
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
I watched an interview of Mike Shanahan on the subject of RGIII and he claims that it was RGIII's camp that wanted the Shanahan's to stop running him and not the other way around.

That's a fascinating wrinkle. I know Kyle had said he wasn't initially interested in Kaepernick because he'd have to create a whole new offense and the other 10 would have to adapt. I wonder with Kyle building a new offense from scratch for RGIII, if that running element was a big part of that build out and they wanted to stick to the script, so to speak.

It is possible that is why Kyle didn't want Kaepernick. I thought it was because Colin never developed into a true pocket passer. I was always under the impression that the Shanahan's favored Kirk Cousins over RGIII for that very same reason. However, Kyle taking Trey Lance with the #3 overall pick in 2021 completely changed my opinion on what I thought Kyle wanted out of the QB position. That perhaps Kyle didn't actually favor robotic, pocket passing QB's over the athletic QB's. So who knows at this point. Should absolutely make things interesting over the next few seasons for sure.
Kyle didn't feel like Kaep could handle his offense nor be a QB willing to learn it..

which makes sense to any coach who feels that way when installing a new offense

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/new-49ers-coach-kyle-shanahan-explains-why-he-didnt-want-colin-kaepernick
[ Edited by 49AllTheTime on Jul 14, 2022 at 8:13 AM ]
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Kyle didn't feel like Kaep could handle his offense nor be a QB willing to learn it..

which makes sense to any coach who feels that way

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/new-49ers-coach-kyle-shanahan-explains-why-he-didnt-want-colin-kaepernick

Nice reference!
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Same here. Yeah, the media kept pressing Kyle on the topic so he expanded on it further. And that confirms the prostyle QB too in Kirk and eventually, BeatHard too.

Then it all changed. He did grow up with Steve Young. It took some time and some head banging but once done, it was the ultimate weapon. And he saw how it started and what it took, and how long to get there.

I 'think' the robotic label isn't related to mobility of the QB but Kyle wanting things a very specific way at a very specific time and drilling that in until its robotic. For a player like RGIII and JTS who might want to ad lib more, I could see how that might drive them crazy and use that term.

Yeah, it's going to be fascinating watching this marriage going forward. If any QB has the acumen, character and desire to take it all in and apply it, it's Lance.

Who is JTS?
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
I watched an interview of Mike Shanahan on the subject of RGIII and he claims that it was RGIII's camp that wanted the Shanahan's to stop running him and not the other way around.

That's a fascinating wrinkle. I know Kyle had said he wasn't initially interested in Kaepernick because he'd have to create a whole new offense and the other 10 would have to adapt. I wonder with Kyle building a new offense from scratch for RGIII, if that running element was a big part of that build out and they wanted to stick to the script, so to speak.

It is possible that is why Kyle didn't want Kaepernick. I thought it was because Colin never developed into a true pocket passer. I was always under the impression that the Shanahan's favored Kirk Cousins over RGIII for that very same reason. However, Kyle taking Trey Lance with the #3 overall pick in 2021 completely changed my opinion on what I thought Kyle wanted out of the QB position. That perhaps Kyle didn't actually favor robotic, pocket passing QB's over the athletic QB's. So who knows at this point. Should absolutely make things interesting over the next few seasons for sure.
Kyle didn't feel like Kaep could handle his offense nor be a QB willing to learn it..

which makes sense to any coach who feels that way

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/new-49ers-coach-kyle-shanahan-explains-why-he-didnt-want-colin-kaepernick

Seems like drafting Trey Lance was a reaction to passing on Mahomes & Watson.
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Seems like drafting Trey Lance was a reaction to passing on Mahomes & Watson.

Only in that Trey won't be trying to get Massage Therapists to blow him on the regular sure.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Seems like drafting Trey Lance was a reaction to passing on Mahomes & Watson.

Only in that Trey won't be trying to get Massage Therapists to blow him on the regular sure.

For sure. As much as I liked Watson coming out of college, I am so glad we dodged that bullet.
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
I watched an interview of Mike Shanahan on the subject of RGIII and he claims that it was RGIII's camp that wanted the Shanahan's to stop running him and not the other way around.

That's a fascinating wrinkle. I know Kyle had said he wasn't initially interested in Kaepernick because he'd have to create a whole new offense and the other 10 would have to adapt. I wonder with Kyle building a new offense from scratch for RGIII, if that running element was a big part of that build out and they wanted to stick to the script, so to speak.

It is possible that is why Kyle didn't want Kaepernick. I thought it was because Colin never developed into a true pocket passer. I was always under the impression that the Shanahan's favored Kirk Cousins over RGIII for that very same reason. However, Kyle taking Trey Lance with the #3 overall pick in 2021 completely changed my opinion on what I thought Kyle wanted out of the QB position. That perhaps Kyle didn't actually favor robotic, pocket passing QB's over the athletic QB's. So who knows at this point. Should absolutely make things interesting over the next few seasons for sure.
Kyle didn't feel like Kaep could handle his offense nor be a QB willing to learn it..

which makes sense to any coach who feels that way

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/new-49ers-coach-kyle-shanahan-explains-why-he-didnt-want-colin-kaepernick

Seems like drafting Trey Lance was a reaction to passing on Mahomes & Watson.
Kyle wasn't the only one to pass on those guys... but yes, Waiting for Cousins was his mistake.

Lance came at the right time on a down year to move up and upgrade the position
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Same here. Yeah, the media kept pressing Kyle on the topic so he expanded on it further. And that confirms the prostyle QB too in Kirk and eventually, BeatHard too.

Then it all changed. He did grow up with Steve Young. It took some time and some head banging but once done, it was the ultimate weapon. And he saw how it started and what it took, and how long to get there.

I 'think' the robotic label isn't related to mobility of the QB but Kyle wanting things a very specific way at a very specific time and drilling that in until its robotic. For a player like RGIII and JTS who might want to ad lib more, I could see how that might drive them crazy and use that term.

Yeah, it's going to be fascinating watching this marriage going forward. If any QB has the acumen, character and desire to take it all in and apply it, it's Lance.

Who is JTS?

Jake the Snake Plummer
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
I watched an interview of Mike Shanahan on the subject of RGIII and he claims that it was RGIII's camp that wanted the Shanahan's to stop running him and not the other way around.

That's a fascinating wrinkle. I know Kyle had said he wasn't initially interested in Kaepernick because he'd have to create a whole new offense and the other 10 would have to adapt. I wonder with Kyle building a new offense from scratch for RGIII, if that running element was a big part of that build out and they wanted to stick to the script, so to speak.

It is possible that is why Kyle didn't want Kaepernick. I thought it was because Colin never developed into a true pocket passer. I was always under the impression that the Shanahan's favored Kirk Cousins over RGIII for that very same reason. However, Kyle taking Trey Lance with the #3 overall pick in 2021 completely changed my opinion on what I thought Kyle wanted out of the QB position. That perhaps Kyle didn't actually favor robotic, pocket passing QB's over the athletic QB's. So who knows at this point. Should absolutely make things interesting over the next few seasons for sure.
Kyle didn't feel like Kaep could handle his offense nor be a QB willing to learn it..

which makes sense to any coach who feels that way

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/new-49ers-coach-kyle-shanahan-explains-why-he-didnt-want-colin-kaepernick

Seems like drafting Trey Lance was a reaction to passing on Mahomes & Watson.

Very possible. I think many point to us getting our ass kicked by Allen that might have caught Kyle's eye...didn't he make some comments in the presser about it?
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Same here. Yeah, the media kept pressing Kyle on the topic so he expanded on it further. And that confirms the prostyle QB too in Kirk and eventually, BeatHard too.

Then it all changed. He did grow up with Steve Young. It took some time and some head banging but once done, it was the ultimate weapon. And he saw how it started and what it took, and how long to get there.

I 'think' the robotic label isn't related to mobility of the QB but Kyle wanting things a very specific way at a very specific time and drilling that in until its robotic. For a player like RGIII and JTS who might want to ad lib more, I could see how that might drive them crazy and use that term.

Yeah, it's going to be fascinating watching this marriage going forward. If any QB has the acumen, character and desire to take it all in and apply it, it's Lance.

Who is JTS?

Jake the Snake Plummer
the shroom farmer...
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Same here. Yeah, the media kept pressing Kyle on the topic so he expanded on it further. And that confirms the prostyle QB too in Kirk and eventually, BeatHard too.

Then it all changed. He did grow up with Steve Young. It took some time and some head banging but once done, it was the ultimate weapon. And he saw how it started and what it took, and how long to get there.

I 'think' the robotic label isn't related to mobility of the QB but Kyle wanting things a very specific way at a very specific time and drilling that in until its robotic. For a player like RGIII and JTS who might want to ad lib more, I could see how that might drive them crazy and use that term.

Yeah, it's going to be fascinating watching this marriage going forward. If any QB has the acumen, character and desire to take it all in and apply it, it's Lance.

Who is JTS?

Jake the Snake Plummer
the shroom farmer...

I'm a shroom farmer. What's wrong with being a shroom farmer?
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