Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Now, as to the main reason I brought this topic here, Trey is the first hand picked QB he personally has ever taken in the 1st round. As Hero noted via Middlekauff, he almost wants his QB's to be robotic.
There is going to be so much pressure on Kyle for Trey to succeed, could we see an even more "control freak" approach; maybe, overboard? That is my one concern.
And if so, what would be the early signs?
To a certain extent, having Kyle being in more of a control position than the QB - is emphasizing Kyle's wonderful play calling instincts. I don't see that as a negative. The QB is going to have to earn Kyle's respect before Kyle will allow him to ad-lib too much out there. There will be plays where the QB can ad-lib, like designed scrambles, and moving pockets. It's in these areas that Trey can gain Kyle's respect as a good audible play caller himself. At some point, if Trey can get Kyle's respect, as Montana did Walsh after 1981, you will see the reigns loosened. Kyle has to feel comfortable that Trey knows both the strategy level and the tactical level - to almost be an offensive coordinator on the field (Like Brady was for Bellicheat) to loosen the reigns, so to speak.
Jimmy, to a certain extent, knew Kyle's offense adequately by mid last year such that Kyle was willing to change up and go five wide, shotgun, quick pass. I think that happened because Jimmy got Kyle's confidence that he knew Kyle's offense and would benefit from some loosening of the reigns. Trey has to get Kyles confidence, but once that is done, Trey will be in total control on the field come game day - and Kyle will possibly, at that point, concede OC duties to Anthony Lynn (or whoever is Kyle's assistant at that point).
Yeah, not about the play calling itself. That'll be a natural progression. But more the pressure, the grinding, the robotic details, the reprimanding, lack of balance, burnout factor, etc. Plus the players own desire. So it got contentious with RGIII because he wanted to run and be a play maker. Trey has that same instinct/mindset and he loves that (his words) so Kyle is going to reel him in.
I'm not too worried but you could see a path where this could get pretty frustrating for both men. It's going to take some time, no doubt. You can see why RGII and JTS said those things. It just wasn't going to fit/work out.
I think Trey's upbringing is going to be a huge factor in it working. Kyle is just going to have to chill out some. They both could be great for each other.
Usually, not always, a super bowl championship is a combination of the HC and the QB having a great relationship and understanding with each other. To a certain extent, their personalities also fit with each other. Example Tom Landry - stoic and unemotional, and the vivacious Staubach, Walsh and Montana - I think their personalities fit with each other. Walsh being the cerebral X's and O's guy and Montana being the steely eyed surgeon. Kyle, and this is my personal opinion, is a very aggressive playcaller and personality. Trey, so far, looks to me to be more of a laid back easy kind of personality like Ken Stabler. We shall see. But agree with you that the relationship will have to remain strong for both men to achieve their best successes. I think both men have what it takes to mind meld and bring home a championship, despite the stress and the glare of the public opinon on their jobs.
year and losing to them, that changed Kyle's mind. Of course, losing to Mahomes also (I'm sure) does factor a lot into that. Specially when you lose the big one to a QB 
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