49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Great coaches need great QBs that's generally how it works.

Fat Andy was considered trash till he got Mahomes despite making the playoffs consistently and even making a super bowl.

Kyle can't coach a perfect game, he's going to f**k up like every other coach. He needs that special QB to bail him out something both statue Matt Ryan (took a sack on a play that you absolutely couldn't take a sack on, should have just thrown it away) as well as Jimmy G (missed multiple throws down the stretch in SB and NFCC with key 4th quarter drives ending on sacks/ints) are clearly not.

Originally posted by pdizo916:
He should have won 2 Superbowls. Below than average coach.

I can give him an 8 as an OC but 6 (at best) as a HC (up to this point)..

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I watched an interview of Mike Shanahan on the subject of RGIII and he claims that it was RGIII's camp that wanted the Shanahan's to stop running him and not the other way around.

That's a fascinating wrinkle. I know Kyle had said he wasn't initially interested in Kaepernick because he'd have to create a whole new offense and the other 10 would have to adapt. I wonder with Kyle building a new offense from scratch for RGIII, if that running element was a big part of that build out and they wanted to stick to the script, so to speak.

It is possible that is why Kyle didn't want Kaepernick. I thought it was because Colin never developed into a true pocket passer. I was always under the impression that the Shanahan's favored Kirk Cousins over RGIII for that very same reason. However, Kyle taking Trey Lance with the #3 overall pick in 2021 completely changed my opinion on what I thought Kyle wanted out of the QB position. That perhaps Kyle didn't actually favor robotic, pocket passing QB's over the athletic QB's. So who knows at this point. Should absolutely make things interesting over the next few seasons for sure.

Kyle didn't feel like Kaep could handle his offense nor be a QB willing to learn it..

which makes sense to any coach who feels that way

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/new-49ers-coach-kyle-shanahan-explains-why-he-didnt-want-colin-kaepernick

Seems like drafting Trey Lance was a reaction to passing on Mahomes & Watson.

To me, it's more like facing Midget One and Midget Two every year and losing to them, that changed Kyle's mind. Of course, losing to Mahomes also (I'm sure) does factor a lot into that. Specially when you lose the big one to a QB Type you (as a coach) doesn't really believe you can win with. I'm sure he's had Super Bowl nightmares of Mahomes having 70 minutes behind his LOS running around launching rockets at his beleaguered defense. A Loss that big, either causes you to quit football or come out of there questioning your deep foundational assumptions of yourself and your methodology.

the Shanny scheme works better with a mobile QB.. so he's not against that type of QB

That's obvious. Any offensive scheme is going to be better with a good pocket QB who is **also** mobile.

The problem Kyle stated in his early interviews as a HC back just when he got rid of Colin Kaepernick was simply finding that mobile QB that is *also* a good pocket QB. His experience is that mobile QB's tend *not* to be good pocket QB's, and Kyle's system needs a good pocket QB to make it work.

I think he started to change his tune as more mobile QB's that were also good pocket QB's started entering the NFL. Midget Wilson and Midget Murry come to mind. Once he's been burned by losses from these jitterbug midgets, he probably had a change of heart, specially after a super bowl loss to Mahomes. That kind of loss will burn in your soul forever. I know I'll never forget that loss, just as a fan. Imagine what it does to a guy like Kyle, who's entire life is consumed by winning football games. No surprise that in 2021 (two years after the super bowl loss) he jumped the gun and paid 3 first round picks for a mobile QB that looks like he could be a good pocket QB too.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

A bit of a silly video based on air yards and ADOT again when that is 100% by design.

Kyle runs a WCO principled offense where he specifically targets YAC receivers to control the clock. He uses their short area quickness and high % passes while scheming them open for maximum gain on high % attempts.

That's not going to change.

That said, ADOT and AY's are cumulative average stats too. So one deep bomb is going to massively effect that stat esp. with such a low volume of attempts.

In that sense, with Trey's arm, mindset to throw deep first and ability to play off schedule, we should see that average stat climb. Just be mindful of the volume because like I said, just one attempt deeper is going to swing that stat a lot.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

A bit of a silly video based on air yards and ADOT again when that is 100% by design.

Kyle runs a WCO principled offense where he specifically targets YAC receivers to control the clock. He uses their short area quickness and high % passes while scheming them open for maximum gain on high % attempts.

That's not going to change.

That said, ADOT and AY's are cumulative average stats too. So one deep bomb is going to massively effect that stat esp. with such a low volume of attempts.

In that sense, with Trey's arm, mindset to throw deep first and ability to play off schedule, we should see that average stat climb. Just be mindful of the volume because like I said, just one attempt deeper is going to swing that stat a lot.

Agree, it's a bit of a silly video, and I think emphasizes the QB too much vs the team itself. Jimmy is a Good QB, not at the level of Joe or Steve, clearly - but Kyle's won with him in the past. Very excited that Kyle has the balls (and the💯% backing) of the Owner in pretty much gambling the entire franchise on a very young and raw 2nd year player to be his franchise QB.

But I do share the video's opinion that Kyle is one of the top three coaches in the NFL today - the three being Bellicheat, Reid and him. Kyle's owned McVay for years, until McVay got Stafford and he still beat McVay and Stafford, and would have been to a 2nd super bowl but for the numerous injuries late in 2021 season.

The Video makes Great points about how RGIII juiced up that outside zone run game to make it near unstoppable in RGIII's heyday. My hope is that Kyle very rarely calls those plays to preserve his QB's health. I hope Kyle's offense - eventually - becomes more pass than run as Trey matures into a reliable, accurate, and dependable pocket QB. Until then I hope he and the entire offense (and the rest of the team) are as durable as the past 49er super bowl teams of legend.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

A bit of a silly video based on air yards and ADOT again when that is 100% by design.

Kyle runs a WCO principled offense where he specifically targets YAC receivers to control the clock. He uses their short area quickness and high % passes while scheming them open for maximum gain on high % attempts.

That's not going to change.

That said, ADOT and AY's are cumulative average stats too. So one deep bomb is going to massively effect that stat esp. with such a low volume of attempts.

In that sense, with Trey's arm, mindset to throw deep first and ability to play off schedule, we should see that average stat climb. Just be mindful of the volume because like I said, just one attempt deeper is going to swing that stat a lot.

Yes. The video is a little overthetop but it is entertaining. 3 days before TC begins. I can't wait.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

A bit of a silly video based on air yards and ADOT again when that is 100% by design.

Kyle runs a WCO principled offense where he specifically targets YAC receivers to control the clock. He uses their short area quickness and high % passes while scheming them open for maximum gain on high % attempts.

That's not going to change.

That said, ADOT and AY's are cumulative average stats too. So one deep bomb is going to massively effect that stat esp. with such a low volume of attempts.

In that sense, with Trey's arm, mindset to throw deep first and ability to play off schedule, we should see that average stat climb. Just be mindful of the volume because like I said, just one attempt deeper is going to swing that stat a lot.

Yes. The video is a little overthetop but it is entertaining. 3 days before TC begins. I can't wait.

I appreciate any take though. It was just an odd focus to prove Kyle is the real genius and the best coach in the NFL. In fact, it kind of detracted from that point for me.

If he spent more time on HOW Kyle schemes primaries open and makes life as easy as possible for his QB compared to others, calls plays too their strengths, how he held his team together in a lame duck year after a vet slow start, how he worked around crucial injuries to both T's and C positions, how he utilized Deebo, Kittle, etc. and still beat top heavy teams to get to the NFCCG and a Superbowl despite his QB s**tting the bed in the 4Q and still nearly winning, etc. that would have really helped his case a lot more. IMHO of course.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

A bit of a silly video based on air yards and ADOT again when that is 100% by design.

Kyle runs a WCO principled offense where he specifically targets YAC receivers to control the clock. He uses their short area quickness and high % passes while scheming them open for maximum gain on high % attempts.

That's not going to change.

That said, ADOT and AY's are cumulative average stats too. So one deep bomb is going to massively effect that stat esp. with such a low volume of attempts.

In that sense, with Trey's arm, mindset to throw deep first and ability to play off schedule, we should see that average stat climb. Just be mindful of the volume because like I said, just one attempt deeper is going to swing that stat a lot.

Yes. The video is a little overthetop but it is entertaining. 3 days before TC begins. I can't wait.

I appreciate any take though. It was just an odd focus to prove Kyle is the real genius and the best coach in the NFL. In fact, it kind of detracted from that point for me.

If he spent more time on HOW Kyle schemes primaries open and makes life as easy as possible for his QB compared to others, calls plays too their strengths, how he held his team together in a lame duck year after a vet slow start, how he worked around crucial injuries to both T's and C positions, how he utilized Deebo, Kittle, etc. and still beat top heavy teams to get to the NFCCG and a Superbowl despite his QB s**tting the bed in the 4Q and still nearly winning, etc. that would have really helped his case a lot more. IMHO of course.

Sounds like you have enough talking points to put your own "Kyle The Mastermind HC Shanahan" video together.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

A bit of a silly video based on air yards and ADOT again when that is 100% by design.

Kyle runs a WCO principled offense where he specifically targets YAC receivers to control the clock. He uses their short area quickness and high % passes while scheming them open for maximum gain on high % attempts.

That's not going to change.

That said, ADOT and AY's are cumulative average stats too. So one deep bomb is going to massively effect that stat esp. with such a low volume of attempts.

In that sense, with Trey's arm, mindset to throw deep first and ability to play off schedule, we should see that average stat climb. Just be mindful of the volume because like I said, just one attempt deeper is going to swing that stat a lot.

Yes. The video is a little overthetop but it is entertaining. 3 days before TC begins. I can't wait.

I appreciate any take though. It was just an odd focus to prove Kyle is the real genius and the best coach in the NFL. In fact, it kind of detracted from that point for me.

If he spent more time on HOW Kyle schemes primaries open and makes life as easy as possible for his QB compared to others, calls plays too their strengths, how he held his team together in a lame duck year after a vet slow start, how he worked around crucial injuries to both T's and C positions, how he utilized Deebo, Kittle, etc. and still beat top heavy teams to get to the NFCCG and a Superbowl despite his QB s**tting the bed in the 4Q and still nearly winning, etc. that would have really helped his case a lot more. IMHO of course.

Sounds like you have enough talking points to put your own "Kyle The Mastermind HC Shanahan" video together.

Hell yeah. I love me a Shanahan even if I can also see his blindspots too after 6 seasons. I genuinely don't know who else I'd rather have TBH.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

A bit of a silly video based on air yards and ADOT again when that is 100% by design.

Kyle runs a WCO principled offense where he specifically targets YAC receivers to control the clock. He uses their short area quickness and high % passes while scheming them open for maximum gain on high % attempts.

That's not going to change.

That said, ADOT and AY's are cumulative average stats too. So one deep bomb is going to massively effect that stat esp. with such a low volume of attempts.

In that sense, with Trey's arm, mindset to throw deep first and ability to play off schedule, we should see that average stat climb. Just be mindful of the volume because like I said, just one attempt deeper is going to swing that stat a lot.

Yes. The video is a little overthetop but it is entertaining. 3 days before TC begins. I can't wait.

I appreciate any take though. It was just an odd focus to prove Kyle is the real genius and the best coach in the NFL. In fact, it kind of detracted from that point for me.

If he spent more time on HOW Kyle schemes primaries open and makes life as easy as possible for his QB compared to others, calls plays too their strengths, how he held his team together in a lame duck year after a vet slow start, how he worked around crucial injuries to both T's and C positions, how he utilized Deebo, Kittle, etc. and still beat top heavy teams to get to the NFCCG and a Superbowl despite his QB s**tting the bed in the 4Q and still nearly winning, etc. that would have really helped his case a lot more. IMHO of course.

Sounds like you have enough talking points to put your own "Kyle The Mastermind HC Shanahan" video together.

Hell yeah. I love me a Shanahan even if I can also see his blindspots too after 6 seasons. I genuinely don't know who else I'd rather have TBH.

Yup. Every coach and player in the entire league have their weaknesses for sure.

thank god kyle is our HC

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

A bit of a silly video based on air yards and ADOT again when that is 100% by design.

Kyle runs a WCO principled offense where he specifically targets YAC receivers to control the clock. He uses their short area quickness and high % passes while scheming them open for maximum gain on high % attempts.

That's not going to change.

That said, ADOT and AY's are cumulative average stats too. So one deep bomb is going to massively effect that stat esp. with such a low volume of attempts.

In that sense, with Trey's arm, mindset to throw deep first and ability to play off schedule, we should see that average stat climb. Just be mindful of the volume because like I said, just one attempt deeper is going to swing that stat a lot.

Yes. The video is a little overthetop but it is entertaining. 3 days before TC begins. I can't wait.

I appreciate any take though. It was just an odd focus to prove Kyle is the real genius and the best coach in the NFL. In fact, it kind of detracted from that point for me.

If he spent more time on HOW Kyle schemes primaries open and makes life as easy as possible for his QB compared to others, calls plays too their strengths, how he held his team together in a lame duck year after a vet slow start, how he worked around crucial injuries to both T's and C positions, how he utilized Deebo, Kittle, etc. and still beat top heavy teams to get to the NFCCG and a Superbowl despite his QB s**tting the bed in the 4Q and still nearly winning, etc. that would have really helped his case a lot more. IMHO of course.

Sounds like you have enough talking points to put your own "Kyle The Mastermind HC Shanahan" video together.

Hell yeah. I love me a Shanahan even if I can also see his blindspots too after 6 seasons. I genuinely don't know who else I'd rather have TBH.

Yup. Every coach and player in the entire league have their weaknesses for sure.

Absolutely. But we're getting to the experience level where there isn't much left to muddy down what those weaknesses are. In short, he's only got a few issues left and when that happens, it's much easier to self-scout in the off season.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
thank god kyle is our HC

Truth.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Hell yeah. I love me a Shanahan even if I can also see his blindspots too after 6 seasons. I genuinely don't know who else I'd rather have TBH.

That 4th QTR run game was always a sore spot for me with regards to Kyle. Hopefully Anthony Lynn and those bigger backs can remedy those 4th qtr ground game issues.