49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Shanahan's playcalling can only go as far as his starting QB can take it. And his current starting QB's limitation is a box that is 10 yards deep and the length of one hashmark to the other.

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Don't want Kyle canned but Sean Payton wouldn't fail on this team. One things for sure he'll run up the score and keep attacking

Id drive kyle to the airport myself if we could land Sean Payton.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Garce:

Originally posted by captveg:

There's an alternate reality where Cousins has won two Super Bowls with the 49ers. A QB Shanny trusted to run his offense.

Kirk Cousins has had some of the best weapons in the NFL and is not anything special.

Cousins never had the defenses SF has had under Shanahan. Cousins with Kittle, Deebo, Aiyuk, etc. would have defenses backed up instead of stacking 8-9-10 in the box.

He's had some good ones, not sure what you're talking about Mike Zimmer is a defensive head coach.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
Niners' greatest success under Shanny has been because of the defenses under Saleh and Ryans.

Ryan is a second year DC and his unit is lightyears beyond shanahan.

Sad but true

Offenses and defenses are too different to make this comparison, IMO.

Defense is about harnessing talent and pointing it in the right direction. Goal of a defense is to create chao and disruption, and to be opportunistic.

Offenses are about rhythm, timing, precision. It's an orchestra. And it needs a top end conductor (QB) to truly bring all the instruments into harmony consistently enough to win year in and year out. Sometimes a team can get by with the community theater orchestra because their defense is so good, but it's rare.

Long winded excuse. Shanahan is a crap head coach and nothing more than a schemer who doesn't even adapt that scheme to maximize talent.

The only adaptations he does make are ones that get his starting QB killed (and his career in the process).

Remember when he called a shotgun delay with jimmy g after he snapped Lance's ankle? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

You are welcome to your opinion. Just don't come complain to me when the next HC sucks much more than Shanahan, because odds are he will.

So your in favor of giving Shanahan a life time contract?

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
Can I also remind people that Denver's head coach had to hire another assistant head coach yesterday to help him with "in-game decisions".

Shanahan lost to this guy. And his team put up 10 points after a dominant defensive performance.

No one talks about how shanahan's greatest success as a HC are tied to the QB everyone hates and a defense he has nothing to do with.

The odds of Jimmy G ever having a starting season as good as 2019 again are very, very low.

How low?

1. Very?
2. Very, Very?
3. Very, Very, Very?

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by JMC52:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
Niners' greatest success under Shanny has been because of the defenses under Saleh and Ryans.

Ryan is a second year DC and his unit is lightyears beyond shanahan.

Sad but true

Offenses and defenses are too different to make this comparison, IMO.

Defense is about harnessing talent and pointing it in the right direction. Goal of a defense is to create chao and disruption, and to be opportunistic.

Offenses are about rhythm, timing, precision. It's an orchestra. And it needs a top end conductor (QB) to truly bring all the instruments into harmony consistently enough to win year in and year out. Sometimes a team can get by with the community theater orchestra because their defense is so good, but it's rare.

Long winded excuse. Shanahan is a crap head coach and nothing more than a schemer who doesn't even adapt that scheme to maximize talent.

The only adaptations he does make are ones that get his starting QB killed (and his career in the process).

Remember when he called a shotgun delay with jimmy g after he snapped Lance's ankle? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

You are welcome to your opinion. Just don't come complain to me when the next HC sucks much more than Shanahan, because odds are he will.

Don't want Kyle canned but Sean Payton wouldn't fail on this team. One things for sure he'll run up the score and keep attacking

What's Payton's record without Brees?

Did Payton trade for Brees?

Did Kyle trade for Brady/Stafford/Rogers?

Kyle basically stuck with a backup QB for six years

Shanahan isn't the problem. QB is the problem. Will he get it figured out before they have to fire him is the million dollar question.

Originally posted by Garce:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Garce:

Originally posted by captveg:
There's an alternate reality where Cousins has won two Super Bowls with the 49ers. A QB Shanny trusted to run his offense.

Kirk Cousins has had some of the best weapons in the NFL and is not anything special.

Cousins never had the defenses SF has had under Shanahan. Cousins with Kittle, Deebo, Aiyuk, etc. would have defenses backed up instead of stacking 8-9-10 in the box.

He's had some good ones, not sure what you're talking about Mike Zimmer is a defensive head coach.

We'd have at least 1 with Cousins. That dude can at least throw the ball 25 yards.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Don't want Kyle canned but Sean Payton wouldn't fail on this team. One things for sure he'll run up the score and keep attacking

Will he have Brees? Even Payton was limited on offense without his HoF QB last year.

I want Shanny to be more aggressive, too. Would being more aggressive with Jimmy G change the results? I doubt it

Point is not a damn coach is going to do anything with trash qbs let alone when you lose a first ballot hall of famer. Kyle doesn't have a qb and never did, when his play calling gets hot he wins in spite of Jimmy and when it gets cold it's beyond ugly. but credit to Jimmy he'll hit the play at times. We've won games because the d balls out and we make just enough plays. It sucks so bad Trey got hurt because I desperately wanted to see this offense as the season goes and Trey gets better. Trey could've even bailed out Kyle when he got better with his legs and extending plays that's what I was looking forward too. With Jimmy it's the same f**king s**t

Originally posted by Jcool:
Shanahan isn't the problem. QB is the problem. Will he get it figured out before they have to fire him is the million dollar question.

The fact he has accomplished this much with a backup should give him some time. We either need to hope Trey is that guy when he's back, or make a move for someone else.

Originally posted by Jcool:
Shanahan isn't the problem. QB is the problem. Will he get it figured out before they have to fire him is the million dollar question.

Head coach responsibility Is to find himself a QB though, Isn't it? Six years as coach and we still don't have an answer at QB

Originally posted by Jcool:
Shanahan isn't the problem. QB is the problem. Will he get it figured out before they have to fire him is the million dollar question.

wrong. they're both the problem. neither looked good tonight.

Originally posted by Garce:
He's had some good ones, not sure what you're talking about Mike Zimmer is a defensive head coach.

Minnesota's defense really fell off after their 2017 season (their 13-3 NFC Championship season) and that's a huge reason why the Vikings haven't had the success they had.

Originally posted by Garce:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Garce:

Originally posted by captveg:
There's an alternate reality where Cousins has won two Super Bowls with the 49ers. A QB Shanny trusted to run his offense.

Kirk Cousins has had some of the best weapons in the NFL and is not anything special.

Cousins never had the defenses SF has had under Shanahan. Cousins with Kittle, Deebo, Aiyuk, etc. would have defenses backed up instead of stacking 8-9-10 in the box.

He's had some good ones, not sure what you're talking about Mike Zimmer is a defensive head coach.

Under Zimmer Cousins never had Kyle, is my point as well.

Cousins + Kyle + Niner defenses = more Niner wins 2018-present. That's the math I'm suggesting. More offensive points, less chances for the other team to stay in games.

Again, just conjecture. In retrospect I would have liked to see how this would have turned out. The offense would be scoring more points per game. That I'm pretty confident in.

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
Niners' greatest success under Shanny has been because of the defenses under Saleh and Ryans.

Ryan is a second year DC and his unit is lightyears beyond shanahan.

Sad but true

Offenses and defenses are too different to make this comparison, IMO.

Defense is about harnessing talent and pointing it in the right direction. Goal of a defense is to create chao and disruption, and to be opportunistic.

Offenses are about rhythm, timing, precision. It's an orchestra. And it needs a top end conductor (QB) to truly bring all the instruments into harmony consistently enough to win year in and year out. Sometimes a team can get by with the community theater orchestra because their defense is so good, but it's rare.

Long winded excuse. Shanahan is a crap head coach and nothing more than a schemer who doesn't even adapt that scheme to maximize talent.

The only adaptations he does make are ones that get his starting QB killed (and his career in the process).

Remember when he called a shotgun delay with jimmy g after he snapped Lance's ankle? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

You are welcome to your opinion. Just don't come complain to me when the next HC sucks much more than Shanahan, because odds are he will.

So your in favor of giving Shanahan a life time contract?

Can we at least wait til he has another losing season and not week 3 of the season right after the team was in NFC championship game?