49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by JMC52:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
Niners' greatest success under Shanny has been because of the defenses under Saleh and Ryans.

Ryan is a second year DC and his unit is lightyears beyond shanahan.

Sad but true

Offenses and defenses are too different to make this comparison, IMO.

Defense is about harnessing talent and pointing it in the right direction. Goal of a defense is to create chao and disruption, and to be opportunistic.

Offenses are about rhythm, timing, precision. It's an orchestra. And it needs a top end conductor (QB) to truly bring all the instruments into harmony consistently enough to win year in and year out. Sometimes a team can get by with the community theater orchestra because their defense is so good, but it's rare.

Long winded excuse. Shanahan is a crap head coach and nothing more than a schemer who doesn't even adapt that scheme to maximize talent.

The only adaptations he does make are ones that get his starting QB killed (and his career in the process).

Remember when he called a shotgun delay with jimmy g after he snapped Lance's ankle? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

You are welcome to your opinion. Just don't come complain to me when the next HC sucks much more than Shanahan, because odds are he will.

Don't want Kyle canned but Sean Payton wouldn't fail on this team. One things for sure he'll run up the score and keep attacking

What's Payton's record without Brees?

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

We'd have at least 1 with Cousins. That dude can at least throw the ball 25 yards.

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Don't want Kyle canned but Sean Payton wouldn't fail on this team. One things for sure he'll run up the score and keep attacking

Will he have Brees? Even Payton was limited on offense without his HoF QB last year.

I want Shanny to be more aggressive, too. Would being more aggressive with Jimmy G change the results? I doubt it

Point is not a damn coach is going to do anything with trash qbs let alone when you lose a first ballot hall of famer. Kyle doesn't have a qb and never did, when his play calling gets hot he wins in spite of Jimmy and when it gets cold it's beyond ugly. but credit to Jimmy he'll hit the play at times. We've won games because the d balls out and we make just enough plays. It sucks so bad Trey got hurt because I desperately wanted to see this offense as the season goes and Trey gets better. Trey could've even bailed out Kyle when he got better with his legs and extending plays that's what I was looking forward too. With Jimmy it's the same f**king s**t

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by Garce:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Garce:

Originally posted by captveg:
There's an alternate reality where Cousins has won two Super Bowls with the 49ers. A QB Shanny trusted to run his offense.

Kirk Cousins has had some of the best weapons in the NFL and is not anything special.

Cousins never had the defenses SF has had under Shanahan. Cousins with Kittle, Deebo, Aiyuk, etc. would have defenses backed up instead of stacking 8-9-10 in the box.

He's had some good ones, not sure what you're talking about Mike Zimmer is a defensive head coach.

We'd have at least 1 with Cousins. That dude can at least throw the ball 25 yards.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by JMC52:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
Niners' greatest success under Shanny has been because of the defenses under Saleh and Ryans.

Ryan is a second year DC and his unit is lightyears beyond shanahan.

Sad but true

Offenses and defenses are too different to make this comparison, IMO.

Defense is about harnessing talent and pointing it in the right direction. Goal of a defense is to create chao and disruption, and to be opportunistic.

Offenses are about rhythm, timing, precision. It's an orchestra. And it needs a top end conductor (QB) to truly bring all the instruments into harmony consistently enough to win year in and year out. Sometimes a team can get by with the community theater orchestra because their defense is so good, but it's rare.

Long winded excuse. Shanahan is a crap head coach and nothing more than a schemer who doesn't even adapt that scheme to maximize talent.

The only adaptations he does make are ones that get his starting QB killed (and his career in the process).

Remember when he called a shotgun delay with jimmy g after he snapped Lance's ankle? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

You are welcome to your opinion. Just don't come complain to me when the next HC sucks much more than Shanahan, because odds are he will.

Don't want Kyle canned but Sean Payton wouldn't fail on this team. One things for sure he'll run up the score and keep attacking

What's Payton's record without Brees?

Did Payton trade for Brees?

Did Kyle trade for Brady/Stafford/Rogers?

Is Kyle the GM?

Originally posted by Jcool:
Shanahan isn't the problem. QB is the problem. Will he get it figured out before they have to fire him is the million dollar question.

Originally posted by captveg:

Under Zimmer Cousins never had Kyle, is my point as well.

Cousins + Kyle + Niner defenses = more Niner wins 2018-present. That's the math I'm suggesting. More offensive points, less chances for the other team to stay in games.

Again, just conjecture. In retrospect I would have liked to see how this would have turned out. The offense would be scoring more points per game. That I'm pretty confident in.

Originally posted by Garce:
He's had some good ones, not sure what you're talking about Mike Zimmer is a defensive head coach.

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Don't want Kyle canned but Sean Payton wouldn't fail on this team. One things for sure he'll run up the score and keep attacking

Will he have Brees? Even Payton was limited on offense without his HoF QB last year.

I want Shanny to be more aggressive, too. Would being more aggressive with Jimmy G change the results? I doubt it

Point is not a damn coach is going to do anything with trash qbs let alone when you lose a first ballot hall of famer. Kyle doesn't have a qb and never did, when his play calling gets hot he wins in spite of Jimmy and when it gets cold it's beyond ugly. but credit to Jimmy he'll hit the play at times. We've won games because the d balls out and we make just enough plays. It sucks so bad Trey got hurt because I desperately wanted to see this offense as the season goes and Trey gets better. Trey could've even bailed out Kyle when he got better with his legs and extending plays that's what I was looking forward too. With Jimmy it's the same f**king s**t

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Jcool:
Shanahan isn't the problem. QB is the problem. Will he get it figured out before they have to fire him is the million dollar question.

wrong. they're both the problem. neither looked good tonight.

Originally posted by Sickaa:
Head coach responsibility Is to find himself a QB though, Isn't it? Six years as coach and we still don't have an answer at QB

Originally posted by Garce:

Originally posted by captveg:
Under Zimmer Cousins never had Kyle, is my point as well.

Cousins + Kyle + Niner defenses = more Niner wins 2018-present. That's the math I'm suggesting. More offensive points, less chances for the other team to stay in games.

Again, just conjecture. In retrospect I would have liked to see how this would have turned out. The offense would be scoring more points per game. That I'm pretty confident in.

Kirk is basically Jimmy g

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Don't want Kyle canned but Sean Payton wouldn't fail on this team. One things for sure he'll run up the score and keep attacking

Will he have Brees? Even Payton was limited on offense without his HoF QB last year.

I want Shanny to be more aggressive, too. Would being more aggressive with Jimmy G change the results? I doubt it

Point is not a damn coach is going to do anything with trash qbs let alone when you lose a first ballot hall of famer. Kyle doesn't have a qb and never did, when his play calling gets hot he wins in spite of Jimmy and when it gets cold it's beyond ugly. but credit to Jimmy he'll hit the play at times. We've won games because the d balls out and we make just enough plays. It sucks so bad Trey got hurt because I desperately wanted to see this offense as the season goes and Trey gets better. Trey could've even bailed out Kyle when he got better with his legs and extending plays that's what I was looking forward too. With Jimmy it's the same f**king s**t

every qb looks like a trash qb if playcalling has been found out. and ours has.