49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by Niners816:

For those that seriously don't like Kyle play this game......when you see a play where Hoyer misses a guy by 5 yards or chucks it out of bounds when a dude is running free imagine what it will look like when a QB makes this throw. Then add that to the numbers Hoyer actually gets because he does make really impressive plays periodically. There is an outstanding schematic offense that's in OUR building.....this is a huge plus, not a problem.

But, it was also Shanahan who wanted to sign Hoyer. It was his call which turned out to be the mistake that you are talking about, missing the guy by 5 yards and chucking the ball out of bounds.

Nobody forced Hoyer on Shanahan. He thought Hoyer would be a fantastic bridge QB which unfortunately he isn't. Nice guy though.

I also picked Shanahan for HC, but that doesn't mean I will not criticize him just to protect my position.

The thing is Hoyer was never gonna be anything but a bridge QB and that's what he's doing. The one thing I'm not gonna question Kyle about is QBs. He's got a track record that shows he knows what he's looking for and has hit a pretty good rate. Basically what I'm saying is, I want him picking our future QB especially if it's a guy at the top of the next draft. Again this assumes that the Cousins thing is a no-go.

Now concerning Hoyer, he frustrates the s**t out of me because he misses s**t he has no business missing then will make a throw like that one to Goodwin that is top level stuff. He's not the future but he has played some good football at times so we just gotta roll with it. On a positive note, he has had 2 of his last 3 games that were 330+ and 2 tds and that's even missing the stuff he's missed.

Originally posted by jcs:
Gotta get a win soon...Dumbsula was 2-4 after 6 games...Chip 1-5...going 0-6 is technically heading in the wrong direction.....

I made it very clear, Shanahan has to be able to do better than Chip Kelly. Chip won 2 games and my target for Shanahan was 4 wins. Since we are looking at soon to be 0-6, it really doesn't look likely. But, he has to get 3 wins at least.

Originally posted by jcs:
Gotta get a win soon...Dumbsula was 2-4 after 6 games...Chip 1-5...going 0-6 is technically heading in the wrong direction.....

Probably won't happen against the Redskins.

We might be competitive against Dallas at home if Foster and Reid come back and we play like it's the Super Bowl but I doubt it. Cardinals and Giants at home Weeks 9 and 10 will be our best chances to finally get wins.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by jcs:
Gotta get a win soon...Dumbsula was 2-4 after 6 games...Chip 1-5...going 0-6 is technically heading in the wrong direction.....

I made it very clear, Shanahan has to be able to do better than Chip Kelly. Chip won 2 games and my target for Shanahan was 4 wins. Since we are looking at soon to be 0-6, it really doesn't look likely. But, he has to get 3 wins at least.

Vs. Cardinals
Vs. Giants
At Bears

Boom

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by jcs:
Gotta get a win soon...Dumbsula was 2-4 after 6 games...Chip 1-5...going 0-6 is technically heading in the wrong direction.....

I made it very clear, Shanahan has to be able to do better than Chip Kelly. Chip won 2 games and my target for Shanahan was 4 wins. Since we are looking at soon to be 0-6, it really doesn't look likely. But, he has to get 3 wins at least.

Shanny isn't on a one year contract, and YOUR target for Shanahan's wins doesn't matter.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by jcs:
Gotta get a win soon...Dumbsula was 2-4 after 6 games...Chip 1-5...going 0-6 is technically heading in the wrong direction.....

I made it very clear, Shanahan has to be able to do better than Chip Kelly. Chip won 2 games and my target for Shanahan was 4 wins. Since we are looking at soon to be 0-6, it really doesn't look likely. But, he has to get 3 wins at least.

::double post::

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Can someone PLEASE, explain to me if it's kyle who's throwing passes, dropping balls, missing defensive assignments, making stupid penalties. At the end of the day players gotta nut up and make plays and play smart, has kyle been perfect nah but he's still a rookie coach. At the end of the day in this rebuild we're competing and not giving up, wait and see when more talent arrives

RT

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Vs. Cardinals
Vs. Giants
At Bears

Boom

We shall see.

Originally posted by 21SandersMoss84:
Shanny isn't on a one year contract, and YOUR target for Shanahan's wins doesn't matter.

Doesn't matter to who? To Shanahan? To you? I don't give a fxxk about that. But, it matters to me. He cannot be worse than Chip Kelly, is as simple as that!! If he can't even beat Chip Kelly, that tells me we are not going in the right direction. Wow, imagine being worse than Chip Kelly who had no say in personnel and had to work under Baalke? That's pretty darn sad!! He has 11 games to get it done, but we already know this coming Sunday will be yet another L, so call it 10 games.

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Can someone PLEASE, explain to me if it's kyle who's throwing passes, dropping balls, missing defensive assignments, making stupid penalties. At the end of the day players gotta nut up and make plays and play smart, has kyle been perfect nah but he's still a rookie coach. At the end of the day in this rebuild we're competing and not giving up, wait and see when more talent arrives

Ok, so it's not his fault.

With that line of reasoning, what is a HC there for? To walk up and down the sideline wearing headphones?

If all Shanahan is there for is to scheme the O, then (a) he's doing a horrible job at it, considering our production on O; (b) he should go back to being a coordinator.

It is the HEAD coach's job to make sure that players don't suffer from repeated "mental" mistakes like "badly throwing passes, dropping balls, missing defensive assignments and making stupid penalties". Especially since some of these players were hand picked by the coach.

Harbaugh's crazy college rah-rah schtick got old in the end and rubbed a lot of people (including players) the wrong way. But he took an underperforming team notorious for "badly throwing passes, dropping balls, missing defensive assignments and making stupid penalties" under previous regimes and got them to "nut up and make plays and play smart". I'm not saying Harbugh's way is the only way, or even that it's the right way (he always seems to choke at the final hurdle), but that's what a HC is there for. He's a MANAGER. Like in a business. He's not the only manager, he's not even the highest one. Call him the Chief Operating Officer, if you will (Lynch would be the CEO for football operations). He gets employees to "nut up", and (most important of all) takes responsibility for the product on the field. Using rewards and punishments, encouraging rhetoric, or whatever. One thing that I love about Andy Reid is that when the effs up (e.g. in clock management, or having the team play sloppy) the first thing he goes out and says is "it's my fault; I had to get the team out there playing like professionals, and they didn't".

That's a head coach.

I will repeat for what seems to be the thousandth time that I wanted us to hire Shanahan, and that I want him to have at least 2, or preferably 3 seasons. But this religious-like conviction around here that he's the perfect man and that he can do no wrong is simply bizarre. So far he has sucked royally. He may prove me wrong in the future, and boy would I like to eat my words then. I want the team to win, not to score a cheap point in a forum. He may prove amazing. I hope so. But so far he's the #1 reason the team is 0-5. He's the head coach.

As for the seeming happiness that some here have for us to have "moral victories", it's not only pathetic (we're the 49ers dammit! Moral victories are for losers like the Browns) but it's also without any real foundation. Where exactly is the vaunted "progress" we have shown in this 0-5 stretch? The 10 or so snaps of Foster in Game 1 (before he got injured for a month)? The couple of quarters of excellent play by Kittle (after a few crippling drops in the past)? The few sacks thrown here and there (after long stretches of games when my 3-year old niece could have got more pressure on the QB)? Who's the invaluable piece that we have uncovered for the next great 9er team, since this season (and the next, and the one after that, if one goes by this forum) is a washout? Don't say Buckner, he was already showing flashes last year. What kind of innovative scheme are we installing that next year, or the year after that, our young players will have mastered and will dominate the NFL with? In the end, why are you all so happy about being 0-5? For "losing 4 games by a combined 11 points"? Is this something to be proud of or embarrassed by?

Originally posted by paulk205:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Can someone PLEASE, explain to me if it's kyle who's throwing passes, dropping balls, missing defensive assignments, making stupid penalties. At the end of the day players gotta nut up and make plays and play smart, has kyle been perfect nah but he's still a rookie coach. At the end of the day in this rebuild we're competing and not giving up, wait and see when more talent arrives

Ok, so it's not his fault.

With that line of reasoning, what is a HC there for? To walk up and down the sideline wearing headphones?

If all Shanahan is there for is to scheme the O, then (a) he's doing a horrible job at it, considering our production on O; (b) he should go back to being a coordinator.

It is the HEAD coach's job to make sure that players don't suffer from repeated "mental" mistakes like "badly throwing passes, dropping balls, missing defensive assignments and making stupid penalties". Especially since some of these players were hand picked by the coach.

Harbaugh's crazy college rah-rah schtick got old in the end and rubbed a lot of people (including players) the wrong way. But he took an underperforming team notorious for "badly throwing passes, dropping balls, missing defensive assignments and making stupid penalties" under previous regimes and got them to "nut up and make plays and play smart". I'm not saying Harbugh's way is the only way, or even that it's the right way (he always seems to choke at the final hurdle), but that's what a HC is there for. He's a MANAGER. Like in a business. He's not the only manager, he's not even the highest one. Call him the Chief Operating Officer, if you will (Lynch would be the CEO for football operations). He gets employees to "nut up", and (most important of all) takes responsibility for the product on the field. Using rewards and punishments, encouraging rhetoric, or whatever. One thing that I love about Andy Reid is that when the effs up (e.g. in clock management, or having the team play sloppy) the first thing he goes out and says is "it's my fault; I had to get the team out there playing like professionals, and they didn't".

That's a head coach.

I will repeat for what seems to be the thousandth time that I wanted us to hire Shanahan, and that I want him to have at least 2, or preferably 3 seasons. But this religious-like conviction around here that he's the perfect man and that he can do no wrong is simply bizarre. So far he has sucked royally. He may prove me wrong in the future, and boy would I like to eat my words then. I want the team to win, not to score a cheap point in a forum. He may prove amazing. I hope so. But so far he's the #1 reason the team is 0-5. He's the head coach.

As for the seeming happiness that some here have for us to have "moral victories", it's not only pathetic (we're the 49ers dammit! Moral victories are for losers like the Browns) but it's also without any real foundation. Where exactly is the vaunted "progress" we have shown in this 0-5 stretch? The 10 or so snaps of Foster in Game 1 (before he got injured for a month)? The couple of quarters of excellent play by Kittle (after a few crippling drops in the past)? The few sacks thrown here and there (after long stretches of games when my 3-year old niece could have got more pressure on the QB)? Who's the invaluable piece that we have uncovered for the next great 9er team, since this season (and the next, and the one after that, if one goes by this forum) is a washout? Don't say Buckner, he was already showing flashes last year. What kind of innovative scheme are we installing that next year, or the year after that, our young players will have mastered and will dominate the NFL with? In the end, why are you all so happy about being 0-5? For "losing 4 games by a combined 11 points"? Is this something to be proud of or embarrassed by?

You, the man!!! I couldn't have put it better. I also picked Shanahan for HC, but that doesn't deter me from criticizing him just to protect my position. It is what it is, sorry to say the guy just isn't doing that great a job and I don't want to hear pathetic BS like we could have easily been 4-1. Man up and take responsibility!! The team/players want to see a leader of men. You come up with BS excuse like that, the players will take on that personality!!

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
You're saying the team is better this year, the record has yet to reflect that. All that matters are wins in the end.

Actually, wins don't matter at all in this particular situation. Everyone knew that the team wasn't going to the playoffs this year so what difference does it make if they go 8-8 or 5-11 or 2-14 the main thing is to lay the foundation for the offensive and defensive schemes that they are going to run and identify the players who are going to help them best execute those schemes in the future. I imagine this is at least a two year job depending on what happens with the QB situation. While I am not ever one to advocate "tanking" a season to get a better draft pick it seems to me that this would be a pretty good year to not be very good. I don't follow college football at all but it seems as though people are talking up at least three guys who are generally considered to be decent players at that position. Darnold, Rosen, and that kid from Wyoming or wherever. If the team finishes like they did last year they won't have to invest all of their draft capital to move up and get one of these guys if they like them and that would still leave them decent picks for all of their other needs. When the team is bad I always tend to concentrate on individual players to see how they are doing. Foster, Kittle and Solomon are the three that interest me this year. I have absolutely no issues with what is going on right now, except for all the stupid penalties. The team is clearly better than they were last year and that's a step in the right direction as far as I'm concerned. Go Niners!!

Originally posted by paulk205:

Ok, so it's not his fault.

With that line of reasoning, what is a HC there for? To walk up and down the sideline wearing headphones?

If all Shanahan is there for is to scheme the O, then (a) he's doing a horrible job at it, considering our production on O; (b) he should go back to being a coordinator.

It is the HEAD coach's job to make sure that players don't suffer from repeated "mental" mistakes like "badly throwing passes, dropping balls, missing defensive assignments and making stupid penalties". Especially since some of these players were hand picked by the coach.

Harbaugh's crazy college rah-rah schtick got old in the end and rubbed a lot of people (including players) the wrong way. But he took an underperforming team notorious for "badly throwing passes, dropping balls, missing defensive assignments and making stupid penalties" under previous regimes and got them to "nut up and make plays and play smart". I'm not saying Harbugh's way is the only way, or even that it's the right way (he always seems to choke at the final hurdle), but that's what a HC is there for. He's a MANAGER. Like in a business. He's not the only manager, he's not even the highest one. Call him the Chief Operating Officer, if you will (Lynch would be the CEO for football operations). He gets employees to "nut up", and (most important of all) takes responsibility for the product on the field. Using rewards and punishments, encouraging rhetoric, or whatever. One thing that I love about Andy Reid is that when the effs up (e.g. in clock management, or having the team play sloppy) the first thing he goes out and says is "it's my fault; I had to get the team out there playing like professionals, and they didn't".

That's a head coach.

I will repeat for what seems to be the thousandth time that I wanted us to hire Shanahan, and that I want him to have at least 2, or preferably 3 seasons. But this religious-like conviction around here that he's the perfect man and that he can do no wrong is simply bizarre. So far he has sucked royally. He may prove me wrong in the future, and boy would I like to eat my words then. I want the team to win, not to score a cheap point in a forum. He may prove amazing. I hope so. But so far he's the #1 reason the team is 0-5. He's the head coach.

As for the seeming happiness that some here have for us to have "moral victories", it's not only pathetic (we're the 49ers dammit! Moral victories are for losers like the Browns) but it's also without any real foundation. Where exactly is the vaunted "progress" we have shown in this 0-5 stretch? The 10 or so snaps of Foster in Game 1 (before he got injured for a month)? The couple of quarters of excellent play by Kittle (after a few crippling drops in the past)? The few sacks thrown here and there (after long stretches of games when my 3-year old niece could have got more pressure on the QB)? Who's the invaluable piece that we have uncovered for the next great 9er team, since this season (and the next, and the one after that, if one goes by this forum) is a washout? Don't say Buckner, he was already showing flashes last year. What kind of innovative scheme are we installing that next year, or the year after that, our young players will have mastered and will dominate the NFL with? In the end, why are you all so happy about being 0-5? For "losing 4 games by a combined 11 points"? Is this something to be proud of or embarrassed by?

I'm glad we got Shanny and not Gase.

5 games in peeps, far too early to start soiling the bed,