49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Kolohe:
When all else fails bring up the fact that I'm a mod. Asking for a detailed analysis of how the team is NOT improving is snark? I won't even get into the snark you put out on this site save for PM's if you want. You're doing nothing but making this personal, I mean who brings up the Parking Lot (a place I don't even frequent) while discussing football?

Your one liners don't tell me anything, example this is your first one:

1. Bad QB play.

OK Hoyer has played bad, but looked at what Blaine Gabbert and Kaepernick were doing this time last year.....ranked dead last where as Brian Hoyer is currently ranked 13th in passing. Sure he's played bad but he's shown that he can get through his reads, hit receivers down field and check down when needed to. Both gabbert and Kaepernick struggled like no other doing that last season which is why they were ranked 30-32nd in passing week in and week out.

That's not all I wanted to say, but is that so hard then to just throw silly one liners at me? I mean if you're gonna lay blame on the head coach at least help us understand you.

Btw, 49ers offense is currently 22nd, this time last year they were ranked 32nd!!!

How is that NOT improvement?

i feel the mistakes and the fact we are one of the most penalized teams in the nfl lies at the fault of the coach and his coaches. its not just young players. its all of them and has nothing to do with the scheme. when you have one of the most penalized teams. that lies at the feet of the coach and not silly stuff like its the refs fault. when the team is not ready to play the game thats on the coach.... i do not know about you but i am not going to give them a medal for waiting till the 4th quarter sunday to start to play decent offensive football vs a horrible team. its fine you and others like to look at stats but our team rarely scores touchdowns and that is a sign of regression from last year. our team to me is no better and worse on offense in my opinion. and puzzling moves like cutting kerley for guys who drop the ball. cut brooks who can rush the passer and then jam eli down our throats. you can throw out the ratings.. but our team is near the bottom in scoring and red zone success. how is that improvement.

we were told hoyer would be a fine ,. more than respectable bridge to our next really good qb. he is not. kyle was wrong.,, lynch was wrong. many of us who liked the hoyer signing were wrong. i am glad he is starting to open the door a bit for the kid to play. and i hope he never says again,. brian gives us the best chance to win because that is clearly not the case.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Hoyer ranks 37th in QB rating. He may be better than Blaine but the bar literally goes no lower. Kap is better than Hoyer.

QB rating. lol

I'm talking about overall play? Does that rating factor in when Kaepernick passed for 4 yards in Chicago?

LOL? Are you trying to pass off yards as the only meaningful QB statistic? No need to factor in TDs, INTs, comp%, because total yards really do tell the whole story and never need context.
Hoyer's overall play is terrible and Brian Hoyer is nowhere near the 13th best QB in the NFL this year.

so tell us the more of the story of that 4 yard passing day

I didn't bring it up, it is irrelevant.

Carson Palmer is the second best QB int he NFL this year. Look at his yards!

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Hoyer ranks 37th in QB rating. He may be better than Blaine but the bar literally goes no lower. Kap is better than Hoyer.

based on rating ? lol

What would you base it on?

Why not just call me a liar for posting his QB rank like you did when I pointed out that the 49ers led the league in penalties called? You keep avoiding that one.

i fell for your trick there. All i did was call out on what you do.

cherry pick stats all you want i guess

oh. to the mod and others.. i have no time for anyone to try to humanize hoyer by telling me he is the 13tth best. proof that staley and his stats are for losers comments rings true. quik stats is not the true measure of a player. it may help you to try to prove ones point of view.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Hoyer ranks 37th in QB rating. He may be better than Blaine but the bar literally goes no lower. Kap is better than Hoyer.

Impossible. Kap doesn't play in the NFL. Just in your world.

It's Year 1 of a full on rebuild......the history of this league tells else that this take a tremendous amount of time and usually looks like a complete clusterf**k especially in year 1. Judging the staff 5 games into this type of rebuild is incredibly short sided and displays a rather simplistic understanding of football. What happened in '15 and '16 doesn't matter....the fact that they've blown it all up is an admission that's they royally f**ked up those years.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Hoyer ranks 37th in QB rating. He may be better than Blaine but the bar literally goes no lower. Kap is better than Hoyer.

Impossible. Kap doesn't play in the NFL. Just in your world.

Kap isn't a fit for Shanahan's offense, unfortunately neither is Brian Hoyer.

Originally posted by cciowa:
oh. to the mod and others.. i have no time for anyone to try to humanize hoyer by telling me he is the 13tth best. proof that staley and his stats are for losers comments rings true. quik stats is not the true measure of a player. it may help you to try to prove ones point of view.

I cannot defend Hoyer. A true backup to fill in for an injured starter a couple weeks etc. If we had better qb play we would could easily be 4-1.

Originally posted by cciowa:
oh. to the mod and others.. i have no time for anyone to try to humanize hoyer by telling me he is the 13tth best. proof that staley and his stats are for losers comments rings true. quik stats is not the true measure of a player. it may help you to try to prove ones point of view.

no one is telling you he's 13th best. i guess you will bring this up on Monday how all you hear is Hoyer being the 13th best QB lol

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
pretty much...this was never gonna be a .500 team no way no how.

IF we had slightly better QB play we'd be at least 3-2. people need to focus on individual player grow and see who's got a place on this team for the future. Gotta look past the wins and losses year 1 into a rebuild.

Some of the people complaining, just didn't want Shanny or just like to complain and are getting their "moment" to do it. sad

This. People who were going to complain no matter what happened short of a 16-0 season.

nope. some people just do not see the so called improvement and improved culture of the team that others do and choose to hold the coach responsible for it in large measure. you can slap a label on those people if you want but that is the way it is for many people here

LOL I asked you to give me a detailed analysis of why you think the team is NOT improving and I get a bunch of one liners that tell me nothing.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by cciowa:

oh. to the mod and others.. i have no time for anyone to try to humanize hoyer by telling me he is the 13tth best. proof that staley and his stats are for losers comments rings true. quik stats is not the true measure of a player. it may help you to try to prove ones point of view.

no one is telling you he's 13th best. i guess you will bring this up on Monday how all you hear is Hoyer being the 13th best QB lol

Someone posted the following:
Brian Hoyer is currently ranked 13th in passing

He is not ranked 13th in passing, unless you think interceptions, completion percentage and TDs are not part of "passing".

Originally posted by Niners816:
It's Year 1 of a full on rebuild......the history of this league tells else that this take a tremendous amount of time and usually looks like a complete clusterf**k especially in year 1. Judging the staff 5 games into this type of rebuild is incredibly short sided and displays a rather simplistic understanding of football. What happened in '15 and '16 doesn't matter....the fact that they've blown it all up is an admission that's they royally f**ked up those years.

This isn't an expansion team. KS had 6 1st round picks on D to start the year and it showed with the close games against good teams. It's also not 1980, F/A and trades are actually supposed to be part of a rebuild and teams have historically been able to turn over bad teams in as little as a season over the last 17 years especially when you consider the parity in this league. KS gets two years and we need to be looking like a potential playoff team at the end of 2018 or he's on the hot seat...especially with this trigger happy ownership.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Hoyer ranks 37th in QB rating. He may be better than Blaine but the bar literally goes no lower. Kap is better than Hoyer.

QB rating. lol

I'm talking about overall play? Does that rating factor in when Kaepernick passed for 4 yards in Chicago?

LOL? Are you trying to pass off yards as the only meaningful QB statistic? No need to factor in TDs, INTs, comp%, because total yards really do tell the whole story and never need context.
Hoyer's overall play is terrible and Brian Hoyer is nowhere near the 13th best QB in the NFL this year.

Did you even read my post as to why I think he's better than Gabbert and Kaepernick? I mean if you're going by overall QB rating then I guess Derek Carr 101.2 is better than Matt Ryan 87.5?

Originally posted by cciowa:
we were told hoyer would be a fine ,. more than respectable bridge to our next really good qb. he is not. kyle was wrong.,, lynch was wrong. many of us who liked the hoyer signing were wrong. i am glad he is starting to open the door a bit for the kid to play. and i hope he never says again,. brian gives us the best chance to win because that is clearly not the case.

we were told hoyer would be fine. we were told Shanahan was the next coming of bill walsh. we were told he was god.

god damn dude, do you ever stop? you're acting like you were cheated on or some s**t