49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I cannot defend Hoyer. A true backup to fill in for an injured starter a couple weeks etc. If we had better qb play we would could easily be 4-1.

i sure thought he would be more than respectable. also can not figure out why our team has been bad going back to 2011 in regards to pass protection and maybe some day before i die.. we will get wide outs here who can catch the ball. i disagree with the 4-1 thing but i totally get why you think that in regards to qb play, horrible. i do not care what some ratings say. and i will not give hoyer credit for coming alive somewhat in the 4th quarter. why give a guy credit for playing one quarter the way he should have played the whole dang game.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by cciowa:
oh. to the mod and others.. i have no time for anyone to try to humanize hoyer by telling me he is the 13tth best. proof that staley and his stats are for losers comments rings true. quik stats is not the true measure of a player. it may help you to try to prove ones point of view.

no one is telling you he's 13th best. i guess you will bring this up on Monday how all you hear is Hoyer being the 13th best QB lol

Someone posted the following:
Brian Hoyer is currently ranked 13th in passing

He is not ranked 13th in passing, unless you think interceptions, completion percentage and TDs are not part of "passing".

Hoyer is 29th in Rating, a far better evaluator than passing yards.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by cciowa:

oh. to the mod and others.. i have no time for anyone to try to humanize hoyer by telling me he is the 13tth best. proof that staley and his stats are for losers comments rings true. quik stats is not the true measure of a player. it may help you to try to prove ones point of view.

I cannot defend Hoyer. A true backup to fill in for an injured starter a couple weeks etc. If we had better qb play we would could easily be 4-1.

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Capable of a few good games here and there but more bad games than good ones. He would be a fine backup.

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Yeah, there in games and not getting blown out. They'll eventually break through on a couple of games.

i just think its very sad when our fan base is ok with losing close games cuz its better than getting blown out. a loss is a loss, the close ones are tougher to take than blowouts to me.but at the end its a loss and this team is unable to find a way to win games. no blame game here but i will say the excuse that they are young is not getting to be an excuse anymore . you expect them to be better than they were a month ago which i do not think they are. personal opinion.. and you expect them to be better in a month than what they are now. despite who you play. there are things you can control and i think from players to coaches. we have done a poor job of that

If our team has to lose, I would rather them go down fighting trying to win then play the way they did last year and show what they showed

Yeah, they're entertaining me, too. Go down fighting as apposed to constantly getting blown out is the way to go for me.

Originally posted by defenderDX:
we were told hoyer would be fine. we were told Shanahan was the next coming of bill walsh. we were told he was god.

god damn dude, do you ever stop? you're acting like you were cheated on or some s**t

i said nothing wrong. we were told that hoyer would be a good bridge. whats your issue. i thought he would be to

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by cciowa:

oh. to the mod and others.. i have no time for anyone to try to humanize hoyer by telling me he is the 13tth best. proof that staley and his stats are for losers comments rings true. quik stats is not the true measure of a player. it may help you to try to prove ones point of view.

no one is telling you he's 13th best. i guess you will bring this up on Monday how all you hear is Hoyer being the 13th best QB lol

Someone posted the following:
Brian Hoyer is currently ranked 13th in passing

He is not ranked 13th in passing, unless you think interceptions, completion percentage and TDs are not part of "passing".

Hoyer is 29th in Rating, a far better evaluator than passing yards.

People are going to laugh out loud at you for considering completion % and INTs.

Originally posted by Niners816:
It's Year 1 of a full on rebuild......the history of this league tells else that this take a tremendous amount of time and usually looks like a complete clusterf**k especially in year 1. Judging the staff 5 games into this type of rebuild is incredibly short sided and displays a rather simplistic understanding of football. What happened in '15 and '16 doesn't matter....the fact that they've blown it all up is an admission that's they royally f**ked up those years.

816, genuine question. Why is it, when speaking of improvement, people cite the historically bad defense last year and compare it to this year (or offense, or scoring differential, etc.)? I have said from the beginning you cannot compare between years because you can't properly isolate all the variables, so any comparison is all but useless. I continually state you have to judge improvement in 2017 on a week to week, game to game basis. And, that basis alone.

Originally posted by defenderDX:
we were told hoyer would be fine. we were told Shanahan was the next coming of bill walsh. we were told he was god.

god damn dude, do you ever stop? you're acting like you were cheated on or some s**t

i guess you can always go whine to the mod for people to be put on a time out

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by cciowa:
oh. to the mod and others.. i have no time for anyone to try to humanize hoyer by telling me he is the 13tth best. proof that staley and his stats are for losers comments rings true. quik stats is not the true measure of a player. it may help you to try to prove ones point of view.

no one is telling you he's 13th best. i guess you will bring this up on Monday how all you hear is Hoyer being the 13th best QB lol

Someone posted the following:
Brian Hoyer is currently ranked 13th in passing

He is not ranked 13th in passing, unless you think interceptions, completion percentage and TDs are not part of "passing".

all it takes is a quick look and that person meant yards, CC said 13th best. no one said he is 13th best

Originally posted by cciowa:
understand. we are just built different. i may have taken a super bowl blow in 2012 better than what it turned out to be. i just do not think we deserve style points cuz we can not find a way to win games but thats just me. i expect more than i did two months ago and expect more in a month than what i do know. i see there are articles that kyle has left the door open for the kid to start. i am glad he is no longer saying things like. hoyer gives us the best chance to win cuz that is becoming clearly not the case here

How do you know that CJ gives us as good or a better chance ? You don't.

We don't know where CJ sits with the mental aspect of the game, the speed at which it is played at and his knowledge of the offense and scheme. Kyle sees him everyday both on and off of the field, we do not. Hoyer may not be playing too well but that does not mean CJ is hovering around or above Hoyers current level.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
we were told hoyer would be fine. we were told Shanahan was the next coming of bill walsh. we were told he was god.

god damn dude, do you ever stop? you're acting like you were cheated on or some s**t

i guess you can always go whine to the mod for people to be put on a time out

still attacking people huh.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Niners816:

It's Year 1 of a full on rebuild......the history of this league tells else that this take a tremendous amount of time and usually looks like a complete clusterf**k especially in year 1. Judging the staff 5 games into this type of rebuild is incredibly short sided and displays a rather simplistic understanding of football. What happened in '15 and '16 doesn't matter....the fact that they've blown it all up is an admission that's they royally f**ked up those years.

This isn't an expansion team. KS had 6 1st round picks on D to start the year and it showed with the close games against good teams. It's also not 1980, F/A and trades are actually supposed to be part of a rebuild and teams have historically been able to turn over bad teams in as little as a season over the last 17 years especially when you consider the parity in this league. KS gets two years and we need to be looking like a potential playoff team at the end of 2018 or he's on the hot seat...especially with this trigger happy ownership.

Ok.....why are we b***hing then? It's game 5. Id argue that year 2 is a little too soon for hot seat talk especially if a rookie QB is take at the the top of the draft. You'd don't expect playoffs with a rookie.

Also I'd argue with the expansion talent. 2-14 and 30+ guys turned over is like an expansion team.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by cciowa:

oh. to the mod and others.. i have no time for anyone to try to humanize hoyer by telling me he is the 13tth best. proof that staley and his stats are for losers comments rings true. quik stats is not the true measure of a player. it may help you to try to prove ones point of view.

no one is telling you he's 13th best. i guess you will bring this up on Monday how all you hear is Hoyer being the 13th best QB lol

Someone posted the following:
Brian Hoyer is currently ranked 13th in passing

He is not ranked 13th in passing, unless you think interceptions, completion percentage and TDs are not part of "passing".

all it takes is a quick look and that person meant yards, CC said 13th best. no one said he is 13th best

The person meant to pass off the yards ranking as overall passing ranking.
I believe passer rating is a much better measure for a passer than passing yards alone but you and Kohole find that idea laughable.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by cciowa:
understand. we are just built different. i may have taken a super bowl blow in 2012 better than what it turned out to be. i just do not think we deserve style points cuz we can not find a way to win games but thats just me. i expect more than i did two months ago and expect more in a month than what i do know. i see there are articles that kyle has left the door open for the kid to start. i am glad he is no longer saying things like. hoyer gives us the best chance to win cuz that is becoming clearly not the case here

How do you know that CJ gives us as good or a better chance ? You don't.

We don't know where CJ sits with the mental aspect of the game, the speed at which it is played at and his knowledge of the offense and scheme. Kyle sees him everyday both on and off of the field, we do not. Hoyer may not be playing too well but that does not mean CJ is hovering around or above Hoyers current level.

At some point Hoyer is going to lose his locker room because he's losing a lot of games. CJ will be the answer at that point even is his stats don't match up simply because of his leadership.

Originally posted by Polkadots:

816, genuine question. Why is it, when speaking of improvement, people cite the historically bad defense last year and compare it to this year (or offense, or scoring differential, etc.)? I have said from the beginning you cannot compare between years because you can't properly isolate all the variables, so any comparison is all but useless. I continually state you have to judge improvement in 2017 on a week to week, game to game basis. And, that basis alone.

I'd agree....I feel some think that this is Year 3 of the Post Harbs rebuild. I do not. This is Year one of a ZBS WCO and a Cover 3 based 43 and I judge based on that. 5 games is too small a sample size for me to make any definitive conclusions. Offense seems to get guys open at a higher rate than the results are showing due to errors and I think the defense is worse than it currents stats say. Personally I give it a whole season and then craft some conclusion. But that's just me.