49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
When all else fails bring up the fact that I'm a mod. Asking for a detailed analysis of how the team is NOT improving is snark? I won't even get into the snark you put out on this site save for PM's if you want. You're doing nothing but making this personal, I mean who brings up the Parking Lot (a place I don't even frequent) while discussing football?

Your one liners don't tell me anything, example this is your first one:

1. Bad QB play.

OK Hoyer has played bad, but looked at what Blaine Gabbert and Kaepernick were doing this time last year.....ranked dead last where as Brian Hoyer is currently ranked 13th in passing. Sure he's played bad but he's shown that he can get through his reads, hit receivers down field and check down when needed to. Both gabbert and Kaepernick struggled like no other doing that last season which is why they were ranked 30-32nd in passing week in and week out.

That's not all I wanted to say, but is that so hard then to just throw silly one liners at me? I mean if you're gonna lay blame on the head coach at least help us understand you.

Btw, 49ers offense is currently 22nd, this time last year they were ranked 32nd!!!

How is that NOT improvement?

i feel the mistakes and the fact we are one of the most penalized teams in the nfl lies at the fault of the coach and his coaches. its not just young players. its all of them and has nothing to do with the scheme. when you have one of the most penalized teams. that lies at the feet of the coach and not silly stuff like its the refs fault. when the team is not ready to play the game thats on the coach.... i do not know about you but i am not going to give them a medal for waiting till the 4th quarter sunday to start to play decent offensive football vs a horrible team. its fine you and others like to look at stats but our team rarely scores touchdowns and that is a sign of regression from last year. our team to me is no better and worse on offense in my opinion. and puzzling moves like cutting kerley for guys who drop the ball. cut brooks who can rush the passer and then jam eli down our throats. you can throw out the ratings.. but our team is near the bottom in scoring and red zone success. how is that improvement.

Again, you continue to list disagreements with what the team made and don't get me wrong, I agree with you some. But you don't think the head coach is on his team about penalties. Here's an example that I say Shanahan is, Shanahan before the season has never got one delay of game penalty in two seasons. Now he has one, because he made it a point to get the call in with time left on the call to give the QB more time to adjust and call audibles. Again, Trent Taylor's OP was not a 50/50 call, it was a straight up horrible call that pretty much cost the game vs. LA. 49ers scored 39 points vs. LA, when was the last time the 49ers scored 30+ points? I'll tell you what it wasn't last year or the year before!!!

But again, tell me how has the team NOT improved, keep in mind it's only week 5 or 6 now I see tons of improvement from last year to this season.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I cannot defend Hoyer. A true backup to fill in for an injured starter a couple weeks etc. If we had better qb play we would could easily be 4-1.

i sure thought he would be more than respectable. also can not figure out why our team has been bad going back to 2011 in regards to pass protection and maybe some day before i die.. we will get wide outs here who can catch the ball. i disagree with the 4-1 thing but i totally get why you think that in regards to qb play, horrible. i do not care what some ratings say. and i will not give hoyer credit for coming alive somewhat in the 4th quarter. why give a guy credit for playing one quarter the way he should have played the whole dang game.

Agreed. I thought Hoyer would be way better. I can definitely say we would not be 0-5 if his play was better. These stats are stupid at times. I see the game and you just see Hoyer missing wide open guys etc. I don't care about over-analyzing numbers. Is the guy a winner or not etc. It sucks because we haven't seen real qb play here in a long time.

This off-season qb and o-line need to be addressed! Any good team has a rock solid o-line! After that wr, and cb as you said. I don't get why teams ignore this. It's frustrating because we are a realistically still a few years away from being a serious competitor even IF we nail the next offseason.

That being said I'm watching Kyle and staff closely this year. See how they handle a poop season. The reward? Does the front office (Lynch) nail the draft? Odds are better with the high picks... that is my hope lol

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by cciowa:
oh. to the mod and others.. i have no time for anyone to try to humanize hoyer by telling me he is the 13tth best. proof that staley and his stats are for losers comments rings true. quik stats is not the true measure of a player. it may help you to try to prove ones point of view.

no one is telling you he's 13th best. i guess you will bring this up on Monday how all you hear is Hoyer being the 13th best QB lol

Someone posted the following:
Brian Hoyer is currently ranked 13th in passing

He is not ranked 13th in passing, unless you think interceptions, completion percentage and TDs are not part of "passing".

all it takes is a quick look and that person meant yards, CC said 13th best. no one said he is 13th best

The person meant to pass off the yards ranking as overall passing ranking.
I believe passer rating is a much better measure for a passer than passing yards alone but you and Kohole find that idea laughable.

one stat like you said is not the whole story, but here you are trying to pass off one stat

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Again, you continue to list disagreements with what the team made and don't get me wrong, I agree with you some. But you don't think the head coach is on his team about penalties. Here's an example that I say Shanahan is, Shanahan before the season has never got one delay of game penalty in two seasons. Now he has one, because he made it a point to get the call in with time left on the call to give the QB more time to adjust and call audibles. Again, Trent Taylor's OP was not a 50/50 call, it was a straight up horrible call that pretty much cost the game vs. LA. 49ers scored 39 points vs. LA, when was the last time the 49ers scored 30+ points? I'll tell you what it wasn't last year or the year before!!!

But again, tell me how has the team NOT improved, keep in mind it's only week 5 or 6 now I see tons of improvement from last year to this season.

So much improvement.

All the issues and whats costing us games can be corrected. The team isn't a total lost, just needs to fix the mistakes

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by cciowa:
oh. to the mod and others.. i have no time for anyone to try to humanize hoyer by telling me he is the 13tth best. proof that staley and his stats are for losers comments rings true. quik stats is not the true measure of a player. it may help you to try to prove ones point of view.

no one is telling you he's 13th best. i guess you will bring this up on Monday how all you hear is Hoyer being the 13th best QB lol

Someone posted the following:
Brian Hoyer is currently ranked 13th in passing

He is not ranked 13th in passing, unless you think interceptions, completion percentage and TDs are not part of "passing".

all it takes is a quick look and that person meant yards, CC said 13th best. no one said he is 13th best

The person meant to pass off the yards ranking as overall passing ranking.
I believe passer rating is a much better measure for a passer than passing yards alone but you and Kohole find that idea laughable.

one stat like you said is not the whole story, but here you are trying to pass off one stat

In CC defense wins are the only stat that matters lol

Call me a jerk, but since we are in a true rebuild we are better off not winning many games so we can keep adding draft talent. If QB inst addressed next (i personally don't mind if its a rookie) then we have to wonder about the new staff.

The team has improved. Maybe not to my happiness level but I do concede they are better on both sides of the ball than last year.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
we were told hoyer would be fine. we were told Shanahan was the next coming of bill walsh. we were told he was god.

god damn dude, do you ever stop? you're acting like you were cheated on or some s**t

i said nothing wrong. we were told that hoyer would be a good bridge. whats your issue. i thought he would be to

so why do you keep bringing it up? get the f**k over it.

Originally posted by cciowa:
i guess you can always go whine to the mod for people to be put on a time out

the only person here that is whining has been you by repeating yourself in every post keep clinging to "we were told". like move on jesus christ

Originally posted by defenderDX:
the only person here that is whining has been you by repeating yourself in every post keep clinging to "we were told". like move on jesus christ

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Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
the only person here that is whining has been you by repeating yourself in every post keep clinging to "we were told". like move on jesus christ

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Did he get to you that bad? lol

He won.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Hoyer ranks 37th in QB rating. He may be better than Blaine but the bar literally goes no lower. Kap is better than Hoyer.

Impossible. Kap doesn't play in the NFL. Just in your world.

Kap isn't a fit for Shanahan's offense, unfortunately neither is Brian Hoyer.

Haha. He's a great system fit. Playbook is wide open. He instructs where you go. He's just not a fit as a FQB or one a HC could win with for long stretches. He's a backup. He's not here for his ability to get W's.

Originally posted by acrownlessking:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
the only person here that is whining has been you by repeating yourself in every post keep clinging to "we were told". like move on jesus christ

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Did he get to you that bad? lol

He won.

cc was spouting the same stuff a year ago only with the opposite opinion and Donnie loved it. Now he has to put cc on block. lol love it.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by cciowa:
oh. to the mod and others.. i have no time for anyone to try to humanize hoyer by telling me he is the 13tth best. proof that staley and his stats are for losers comments rings true. quik stats is not the true measure of a player. it may help you to try to prove ones point of view.

no one is telling you he's 13th best. i guess you will bring this up on Monday how all you hear is Hoyer being the 13th best QB lol

Someone posted the following:
Brian Hoyer is currently ranked 13th in passing

He is not ranked 13th in passing, unless you think interceptions, completion percentage and TDs are not part of "passing".

all it takes is a quick look and that person meant yards, CC said 13th best. no one said he is 13th best

The person meant to pass off the yards ranking as overall passing ranking.
I believe passer rating is a much better measure for a passer than passing yards alone but you and Kohole find that idea laughable.

one stat like you said is not the whole story, but here you are trying to pass off one stat

In CC defense wins are the only stat that matters lol

Call me a jerk, but since we are in a true rebuild we are better off not winning many games so we can keep adding draft talent. If QB inst addressed next (i personally don't mind if its a rookie) then we have to wonder about the new staff.

FA takes place almost or more than a month before the draft. We will know by mid march if we sign cousins or go QB with our first pick

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Polkadots:
816, genuine question. Why is it, when speaking of improvement, people cite the historically bad defense last year and compare it to this year (or offense, or scoring differential, etc.)? I have said from the beginning you cannot compare between years because you can't properly isolate all the variables, so any comparison is all but useless. I continually state you have to judge improvement in 2017 on a week to week, game to game basis. And, that basis alone.

I'd agree....I feel some think that this is Year 3 of the Post Harbs rebuild. I do not. This is Year one of a ZBS WCO and a Cover 3 based 43 and I judge based on that. 5 games is too small a sample size for me to make any definitive conclusions. Offense seems to get guys open at a higher rate than the results are showing due to errors and I think the defense is worse than it currents stats say. Personally I give it a whole season and then craft some conclusion. But that's just me.

When I watch the breakdowns done here, I see a lot of missed opportunities on offense. Most on Hoyer, but there are plenty of mistakes to go around.

Why do you believe the defense is worse than the stats suggest? I think some of the inferior offenses they have played masks some glaring weaknesses. And, that may manifest this weekend against Washington.