49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by NCommand:
Kyle the playcaller has definitely fallen off without Mike McDaniel.

My far bigger concerns are Kyle the HC. But nobody wants to acknowledge those issues and those are the ones that really cost games, IMHO.

Do you have a hard time accepting that Kyle literally does not trust Jimmy?

Rodney Harrison and Chris Simms talked about it for 2 segments last night. Kyle's body language...you can see he is uneasy to call what he wants bc he has no idea where the ball is going to end up.

Idk how fans who claim to pay attention do not see this.

Kyle the Playcaller:
2nd and 11
2nd and 11
2nd and 10
2nd and 7
2nd and 12
2nd and 20
2nd and 20
2nd and 10
2nd and 9
2nd and 13
2nd and 11
Ultra conservative RZ (tops last year with Mike McDaniel and the 4-minute offense)

--- This is not making life easy on your QB as K.Warner noted. This is on just 10 possessions.

Kyle the Head Coach:
"Shooting itself in the foot" has been a cultural theme under Kyle
Penalties
Drops
Injuries
Outschemed
Oversight of defense and special teams
Lack of accountability
Doghouse (Aiyuk) for some; Penthouse (McGlinchey) for others
Slow in-game and half-time adjustments
Inability to close out games
Zero complete games in all 3 phases

--- These are killer signs in a HC.

Originally posted by DrEll:
Did you watch Atlanta vs our 3rd string defense ? They put us out of our misery before we could even think twice. Well coached teams know how to game plan, irrespective of how talented the roster is. Kyle Shanahan, with arguably the most loaded (talent wise) offense in the league had to wait until the last second before he could call victory.

that is what you call a poorly coached team. It's laughable you don't see that…

Chiefs beat the chargers by 3. I guess they are poorly coached too

I get both arguments for and against Kyle today. We should have blown them out with all their injuries. No doubt. I also think the Chargers and their backups elevated their play to a level we were not expecting. They were overachieving and hit us in the mouth a few times. Sometimes an opponent does that and the Niners responded and won the second half. It's not always easy or pretty but they got it done. Of course I wish we blew them out, but not every win is going to be a blowout. That game last night was war. Plus Herbert is a very good QB that also elevated that offense.

Originally posted by DrEll:
I'm sorry but Kyle holds this team back just as much as Jimmy. There was a reason we were 7.5 point favorites against a Chargers team that came into our house decimated with injuries on both sides of the ball. And we barely eeked out a win by basically resorting to peewee football and giving the ball to our RBs to just run it down their throat.

Kyle is a liability at this point, and I don't even think he will do Trey any favors when he's back next season. We need to find a real coach that can lead this team. Not a hard headed offensive coordinator who plays not to lose and hold this team back

We were at 6 points we couldve "covered" but at the end the goal was to run out the clock not score

i do agree the playcalling for this game was not that good. We had a plan of going in to run it down their throats and we didnt stray from that and to the chargers credit they defended the run very well. But i understand why that was the plan coming in they were one of the worst run D and thin at the position

Edit: ill also add we couldve covered also but Aiyuk (who had a great game) dropped a bit of a gimmie TD

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Of course you're defending Kyle after that game

after a Bye week
Against 3rd stringers
At home
Against a mediocre opponent

If there was a game where the niners should have dominated offensively, it was this one. And Shanahan comes out with no imagination, flat, and boring. The defense gives the offense the ball on the 6 yard line and the game should be over. Only Kyle would give them the ball back with a chance to win in that situation.

the chargers were weak up front. It isnt like the rams who are weal at LB and secondary opposite Ramsey. Because the chargers were weak up frint on the DL the gameplan going in was to take advantage of that and run it on them

as for giving them a chance i wouldnt call going down the field with no timeouts in less than a minute needing a TD to win a chance

if you want to criticize the game plan going in thats a valid arguement but we made adjustments in 2nd half and the goal was correct. How many people going into the game said we should run the ball all day on them because thats where the chargers are weak. The chargers just played a great game

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Did you watch Atlanta vs our 3rd string defense ? They put us out of our misery before we could even think twice. Well coached teams know how to game plan, irrespective of how talented the roster is. Kyle Shanahan, with arguably the most loaded (talent wise) offense in the league had to wait until the last second before he could call victory.

that is what you call a poorly coached team. It's laughable you don't see that…

Chiefs beat the chargers by 3. I guess they are poorly coached too

Im fully convinced that much of our fan base never watched other teams.

The same folks said McVay was the better coach cause he's won a SB. Yesterday McVay called 43 passes(including qb scrambles) to 14 runs with hie backup QB. And it wasn't like the Cards made it a runaway early, forcing LA to throw it to play catch-up

Originally posted by DrEll:
Did you watch Atlanta vs our 3rd string defense ? They put us out of our misery before we could even think twice. Well coached teams know how to game plan, irrespective of how talented the roster is. Kyle Shanahan, with arguably the most loaded (talent wise) offense in the league had to wait until the last second before he could call victory.

that is what you call a poorly coached team. It's laughable you don't see that…

Don't deflect, we're talking about this game man. Every team has a s**t week. Go look at KC vs the colts. Go look at the Bills vs the Jets and this week.

hmmmm LAC have one of the worst run D's in football and SF ran for 160 yards and grinded out the W. Instead of throwing vs a top 10 pass D. You would be front and center if they threw the ball all night and lost. So save me the BS.

Our QB has a certain skill set and the pass game is reflective of that. It's not an explosive downfield game and never will be with him…you'd think you would have figured that out by now. I guess not.

They catch an easy ass TD and make an extra point, they then toss up 27 pts, which is more than good. Blocked punt and fumble led to 6 more pts. Things that go beyond the pay calling…that's player execution…score is 10-27. Cry me a river beating a 5-3 team.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Did you watch Atlanta vs our 3rd string defense ? They put us out of our misery before we could even think twice. Well coached teams know how to game plan, irrespective of how talented the roster is. Kyle Shanahan, with arguably the most loaded (talent wise) offense in the league had to wait until the last second before he could call victory.

that is what you call a poorly coached team. It's laughable you don't see that…

Chiefs beat the chargers by 3. I guess they are poorly coached too

Im fully convinced that much of our fan base never watched other teams.

The same folks said McVay was the better coach cause he's won a SB. Yesterday McVay called 43 passes(including qb scrambles) to 14 runs with hie backup QB. And it wasn't like the Cards made it a runaway early, forcing LA to throw it to play catch-up

Context?

Originally posted by reasonable1:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Kyle the playcaller has definitely fallen off without Mike McDaniel.

My far bigger concerns are Kyle the HC. But nobody wants to acknowledge those issues and those are the ones that really cost games, IMHO.

Do you have a hard time accepting that Kyle literally does not trust Jimmy?

Rodney Harrison and Chris Simms talked about it for 2 segments last night. Kyle's body language...you can see he is uneasy to call what he wants bc he has no idea where the ball is going to end up.

Idk how fans who claim to pay attention do not see this.

Some people will never admit that it's really that simple. I feel like people tossing out McDaniels as the mastermind haven't watched the Miami games (just seeing highlights). It's all RPOs and moving Tua around. It's nothing special. Just a s**t ton of speed at the playmakers positions

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Don't deflect, we're talking about this game man. Every team has a s**t week. Go look at KC vs the colts. Go look at the Bills vs the Jets and this week.

hmmmm LAC have one of the worst run D's in football and SF ran for 160 yards and grinded out the W. Instead of throwing vs a top 10 pass D. You would be front and center if they threw the ball all night and lost. So save me the BS.

Our QB has a certain skill set and the pass game is reflective of that. It's not an explosive downfield game and never will be with him…you'd think you would have figured that out by now. I guess not.

They catch an easy ass TD and make an extra point, they then toss up 27 pts, which is more than good. Blocked punt and fumble led to 6 more pts. Things that go beyond the pay calling…that's player execution…score is 10-27. Cry me a river beating a 5-3 team.

The bolded makes the gameplan make a lot of sense. While I think Brendl is a liability in the run game, McG is a liability in the passing game and LAC put Mack there to take advantage. Kyle stayed committed to the run game and it grinded out a win. It got predictable many times but it's obvious Kyle didn't care because he felt the run game would get the job done.

Can't wait for the film breakdown. A depleted defense crowded the box to contain our rushing attack while also limiting our passing options to BA and Jennings. At first watch, that was a little concerning…. We have mismatches all across the field, right?

if having all these playmakers (and Trey next year) only equals more misdirection in the running game without making the passing game easier, we could be underutilizing some of our potential 🤷‍♂️.

Or maybe Jimmy wasn't seeing the open man.
Again, waiting on the breakdown.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Of course you do. It's Monday morning interference.

Of course you would think McDainels is the mastermind and Kyle the HC is a concern

Just compare the offenses. This is shannys baby after 6 f**king years.

Wilson looking 10x better in the Dolphins offense. Take the blinders off.

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Did you watch Atlanta vs our 3rd string defense ? They put us out of our misery before we could even think twice. Well coached teams know how to game plan, irrespective of how talented the roster is. Kyle Shanahan, with arguably the most loaded (talent wise) offense in the league had to wait until the last second before he could call victory.

that is what you call a poorly coached team. It's laughable you don't see that…

Chiefs beat the chargers by 3. I guess they are poorly coached too

Please. Strawman arguments

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Don't deflect, we're talking about this game man. Every team has a s**t week. Go look at KC vs the colts. Go look at the Bills vs the Jets and this week.

hmmmm LAC have one of the worst run D's in football and SF ran for 160 yards and grinded out the W. Instead of throwing vs a top 10 pass D. You would be front and center if they threw the ball all night and lost. So save me the BS.

Our QB has a certain skill set and the pass game is reflective of that. It's not an explosive downfield game and never will be with him…you'd think you would have figured that out by now. I guess not.

They catch an easy ass TD and make an extra point, they then toss up 27 pts, which is more than good. Blocked punt and fumble led to 6 more pts. Things that go beyond the pay calling…that's player execution…score is 10-27. Cry me a river beating a 5-3 team.

The bolded makes the gameplan make a lot of sense. While I think Brendl is a liability in the run game, McG is a liability in the passing game and LAC put Mack there to take advantage. Kyle stayed committed to the run game and it grinded out a win. It got predictable many times but it's obvious Kyle didn't care because he felt the run game would get the job done.

The bolded ignores the chargers loading the box to stop the run (although still not being able to until red zone) which, in theory, should have opened up more passing lanes.

it's ok to be a little inquisitive about a couple hiccups on our offense. Per usual, we are rushing to defend Kyle/Jimmy in order to blame Jimmy/Kyle.

More than anything, I'm happy we won. That's my thesis statement. But, I have a couple concerns.