49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by ritz126:
you are going to have to explain why we are a top 5 team in moving the ball (yards/play) if playcalling is predictable

We're #1 in DVOA too. That's the least of the concerns here. You have no concerns with Kyle the OC and Kyle the HC? The goal is to try to win a Superbowl, right?

The gameplan going into the game was to attack where the opponent was weakest.

For the rams thats the midle of the field they have a below average LB corps and they play off coverage so the goal that game was to attack with quick releases which is why the gameplan against Rams was more aggressive.

The chargers are weak at run D so thats where we attacked

so the answer to your question is no i dont have a problem because KS is attacking the weakness of opposing D. To chargers credit they defended the run better than anyone thought

It worked because two more IDL's went down in-game. Down in the 4Q, that verifies the GP isn't working. It wasn't hard for the DC to see what we were trying to accomplish early in the game. 1st downs. RZ offense. Had Jimmy not made those crucial 3rd downs we're singing a whole new tone in here. That's a team that's going to beat us in AGL this year. It seems like the W is masking real issues here.

Remember NC, you got all worked up about the HaRoman offense and raved about how snappy the offense looked under Geep Chryst in week 1, 2015.

Not meaning to pull receipts, just putting context in to the grass is greener idea. The offense is rebuilding everything. It's completely different than what was anticipated and worked on 100 days ago.

Haha. Kyle >>>>> HaRoman/Chryst

The grass is definitely greener. In fact, that's why I'm pointing these things out. I think Kyle can be significantly better as a play caller and esp. as a HC.

I believe in him still but I'm not going to lower my expectations for him because he's still better than the past.

Right now he's getting less out of more than many HC's we've faced this year and are doing throughout the league, IMHO.

Originally posted by Hawaii49er:
No more naked bootlegs into top linebackers in the league please.

but that's 60% of KS10 play design.. he got this from Daddy Mike when he had The Snake in Denver..

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by ritz126:
you are going to have to explain why we are a top 5 team in moving the ball (yards/play) if playcalling is predictable

We're #1 in DVOA too. That's the least of the concerns here. You have no concerns with Kyle the OC and Kyle the HC? The goal is to try to win a Superbowl, right?

The gameplan going into the game was to attack where the opponent was weakest.

For the rams thats the midle of the field they have a below average LB corps and they play off coverage so the goal that game was to attack with quick releases which is why the gameplan against Rams was more aggressive.

The chargers are weak at run D so thats where we attacked

so the answer to your question is no i dont have a problem because KS is attacking the weakness of opposing D. To chargers credit they defended the run better than anyone thought

It worked because two more IDL's went down in-game. Down in the 4Q, that verifies the GP isn't working. It wasn't hard for the DC to see what we were trying to accomplish early in the game. 1st downs. RZ offense. Had Jimmy not made those crucial 3rd downs we're singing a whole new tone in here. That's a team that's going to beat us in AGL this year. It seems like the W is masking real issues here.

Remember NC, you got all worked up about the HaRoman offense and raved about how snappy the offense looked under Geep Chryst in week 1, 2015.

Not meaning to pull receipts, just putting context in to the grass is greener idea. The offense is rebuilding everything. It's completely different than what was anticipated and worked on 100 days ago.

Haha. Kyle >>>>> HaRoman/Chryst

The grass is definitely greener. In fact, that's why I'm pointing these things out. I think Kyle can be significantly better as a play caller and esp. as a HC.

I believe in him still but I'm not going to lower my expectations for him because he's still better than the past.

Right now he's getting less out of more than many HC's we've faced this year and are doing throughout the league, IMHO.

I think it bothers him and can not think correctly when he has to call a play in a tough situation.. That's why I keep saying we're very good during the 1st QTR majority of the time, but once the other team start having the momentum, his low football coaching IQ gets exposed.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Haha. Kyle >>>>> HaRoman/Chryst

The grass is definitely greener. In fact, that's why I'm pointing these things out. I think Kyle can be significantly better as a play caller and esp. as a HC.

I believe in him still but I'm not going to lower my expectations for him because he's still better than the past.

Right now he's getting less out of more than many HC's we've faced this year and are doing throughout the league, IMHO.

the offense will get better as the season goes on and they get more playing time together. Next week i think we see a differnet GP.

As ive said a few post ago since the CMC trade we are top 5 in yards/game and similar in yards/play we are moving the ball very well we just have to clean up some mistakes on the execution side to finish more TD because if Aiyuk catches that TD i dont think you would be as negative here

Originally posted by 9moon:
IT DOESNNNTTT MATTTTERRRR if you got lots of objective bones in your body.. .what matter is that we aren't as good as we could be because of your HC !!

75% of the SHANANIGANS are now seeing that, why don't you?

You literally bring no actual data, film, football knowledge to backup what you're saying…just CAP words and calling people stupid names.

you provide zero context or nuance to even have a conversation about it…why in the world should anyone take what you say and think it has anything legit behind it? It's all emotional confirmation bias (like a ton of people in here who haven't liked Kyle forever).

you can't distinguish the difference between play calling and player execution. That's part of your problem, along with a lot of posters that are currently complaining.…Please tell me how you have a conversation with folks like that? It's no different than having ridiculous political talk on social media. It's pointless.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9moon:
that goes both ways... LAC had some of that as well.. HOW do you explain that we had to catch up to beat the team w/o 65% of their starters and a 2nd year HC (if not mistaken)..

This is no different than last year's loss to Arizona w/a sorry life long backup..

That's fine and has nothing to do with SF's offense. Which is what we're talking about. That's player execution not play calling.

you think the play call to a wide open BA was to drop the ball? Or Gould missing an extra point? Never seen a play call that called for Mitchell to slip on the 1 yard line (running behind Trent) or a blown block on the two yard line for a CMC TD?

ya'll act like a 5-3 chargers team that is top 10 vs the pass…blows? Most of their injuries are on the offensive side on the ball. It's funny if they didn't run for 160 yards vs the 29th ranked offense YOU would be the first person in here b***hing…yet here you are. Not one single objective bone in your body.

We had one of the largest spreads this week. Not that it matters, I'm just not sure I'd be calling people out for expecting a less competitive game.

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He should! Good QB play kills blitzes. Unfortunately that's not super consistent with him. Overall though I thought Jimmy did his job and guess what we won.

you also need good OL to kill a blitz as long as they are no free rushers up the middle then QB should be able to do its job

You need proper blitz pickups, yes good OL, great pre/post reads and calling the right hot route.

Originally posted by 5thSFG:
We had one of the largest spreads this week. Not that it matters, I'm just not sure I'd be calling people out for expecting a less competitive game.

Yeah that s**t doesn't matter at all. Bills had a -9.5 spread this week. KC barely covered as well. Same with NY.

Herbert looks almost 100% compared to the last couple weeks. That pass D is top 10. Our RZ situation wasn't great some of that is play calling but more of it imo was player execution.

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Haha. Kyle >>>>> HaRoman/Chryst

The grass is definitely greener. In fact, that's why I'm pointing these things out. I think Kyle can be significantly better as a play caller and esp. as a HC.

I believe in him still but I'm not going to lower my expectations for him because he's still better than the past.

Right now he's getting less out of more than many HC's we've faced this year and are doing throughout the league, IMHO.

the offense will get better as the season goes on and they get more playing time together. Next week i think we see a differnet GP.

As ive said a few post ago since the CMC trade we are top 5 in yards/game and similar in yards/play we are moving the ball very well we just have to clean up some mistakes on the execution side to finish more TD because if Aiyuk catches that TD i dont think you would be as negative here

It's been 10 weeks. But I hope you're right. But the bigger stuff is within his own working run-centric philosophy. That's why we can only really focus on the efficiency within the passing game. No room for error at all. My concerns are far more than an Aiyuk drop. That's expected on a Kyle team because the receivers are run blockers and then have to switch gears on limited opportunities.

Originally posted by 5thSFG:
We had one of the largest spreads this week. Not that it matters, I'm just not sure I'd be calling people out for expecting a less competitive game.

FWIW Gould hits his extra point and they cover lol.

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9moon:
that goes both ways... LAC had some of that as well.. HOW do you explain that we had to catch up to beat the team w/o 65% of their starters and a 2nd year HC (if not mistaken)..

This is no different than last year's loss to Arizona w/a sorry life long backup..

That's fine and has nothing to do with SF's offense. Which is what we're talking about. That's player execution not play calling.

you think the play call to a wide open BA was to drop the ball? Or Gould missing an extra point? Never seen a play call that called for Mitchell to slip on the 1 yard line (running behind Trent) or a blown block on the two yard line for a CMC TD?

ya'll act like a 5-3 chargers team that is top 10 vs the pass…blows? Most of their injuries are on the offensive side on the ball. It's funny if they didn't run for 160 yards vs the 29th ranked offense YOU would be the first person in here b***hing…yet here you are. Not one single objective bone in your body.

We had one of the largest spreads this week. Not that it matters, I'm just not sure I'd be calling people out for expecting a less competitive game.

Games usually don't go as most expect it, that's usually how the NFL works. If you're looking for more blowouts and style points go watch College

With the amount of talent that we have on offense, there really is no excuse for this team to not score at least 30-35 PPG.

Originally posted by NCommand:
It's been 10 weeks. But I hope you're right. But the bigger stuff is within his own working run-centric philosophy. That's why we can only really focus on the efficiency within the passing game. No room for error at all. My concerns are far more than an Aiyuk drop. That's expected on a Kyle team because the receivers are run blockers and then have to switch gears on limited opportunities.

Wut? They're avg 31 passing attempts a game (that's including a monsoon game WK1).

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
With the amount of talent that we have on offense, there really is no excuse for this team to not score at least 30-35 PPG.

Isn't a team scoring over 30 pts per game in the league. It all starts at the QB.

I do agree they should score more. RZ execution is the problem and there's a lot of nuance with that.

If I have any issues with Kyle's play calling it's in the red zone. I would like to see more roll outs with an option down inside the 3 yard line. Even Jimmy can run it in from there if there's a hole. It' seems like they try to slam it up the middle too often and end up kicking a FG instead of getting a TD. I'd also like to see more passes into the end zone instead of short of the end zone. It's probably my imagination but it seems like we don't get as many TD passes in the end zone as other teams. We seem to rely more on the YAC to run the ball in.