49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Clearly Matt LaFleur is a better coach.

And Tomlin is trash, he's 3 and 6 with the QB HE picked (he never drafted Big Ben).

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean it's not like Kittle and Deebo weren't running routes out there. They were both on the field a ton like always. The reads went elsewhere and that's on the QB just as much.

I told people when CMC got here it would push other guys in the background. 2-0 with him so that's all that should matter imo

Kittle and Deebo were covered very well by Samuel and James, two pretty good DBs. From what I could see, there was rarely any separation.

In the end, Garoppolo seemed comfortable going elsewhere and it worked. 19 for 28 with three obvious throwaways.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by picklejuice:

Cody Barton picks off Tom Brady! #ProUtes pic.twitter.com/fS9KjanFqJ

— Utah Football (@Utah_Football) November 13, 2022

Kyle was a genius for ignoring Tom Brady. He's nothing but a Jimmy G with a better deep ball.

And 7 super bowl rings

Only 5 more than Jimmy

When Tom Brady was Jimmy's age, he only had 3, so Jimmy is not far off the pace.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean it's not like Kittle and Deebo weren't running routes out there. They were both on the field a ton like always. The reads went elsewhere and that's on the QB just as much.

I told people when CMC got here it would push other guys in the background. 2-0 with him so that's all that should matter imo

Kittle and Deebo were covered very well by Samuel and James, two pretty good DBs. From what I could see, there was rarely any separation.

In the end, Garoppolo seemed comfortable going elsewhere and it worked. 19 for 28 with three obvious throwaways.

Agreed. Jimmy made several solid passes and didn't try to force anything that wasn't there. I would grade him 8/10 for this one.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
With the amount of talent that we have on offense, there really is no excuse for this team to not score at least 30-35 PPG.

Isn't a team scoring over 30 pts per game in the league. It all starts at the QB.

I do agree they should score more. RZ execution is the problem and there's a lot of nuance with that.

This is what I said to myself last night, but avoided posting because I'm too amped up on game days lol

Here's my 24 hour reaction

Kyles play calling was s**t at times. And other times fantastic.

Jimmy had some high throws as usual, but no bad throws tbh and overall was very good I'm happy to say. (I hope Furlow sees this lol) I mean Aiyuk dropped a great TD pass.

The main issue yesterday aside some play calling was on critical plays, someone on the o-line had a mistake or was plain beat and it killed drives and points for us. McGlinchey is so anti clutch it's infuriating!

Within the play calling I cannot believe how little Kittle and Deebo were used in the passing game.

Bye-week:
"How are you going to cover all these guys?"

Post-LAC:
"LAC did a great job shutting Deebo, Kittle, CMC, Mitchell, Juice, etc."

Anyhow, the W helps. We're still on track for the playoffs. Just keep self-scouting and try to correct the little things that continue to lead to us shooting ourselves in the foot still.

Yup. 100% agreed.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Well in fairness to Kyle - he traded for Lance and Lance was the starter. jimmy G ended up being the back up unexpectedly and then Lance was lost for the year. I can't blame Kyle for that aside running Lance way to much lol

Is Lance a FQB? No, he is a TBD

Ok and? That doesn't change the fact Kyle is actively trying to upgrade the position.

I just watched a short interview with Jeff Saturday in which he basically said, "I just told the guys to go out and play football. You are all pros and know what you should be doing." It worked. After all the chaos of the past two weeks and an underperforming season, and despite some key injuries, the Colts went out and played above expectations.

I bring that up in this thread because I believe the offense under Shanahan is playing too tight. They need to feel enabled to just go out and play the game without having to face Shanahan's well-documented potty mouth when things go wrong.

It shouldn't be this hard. With all this talent, things should look better.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean it's not like Kittle and Deebo weren't running routes out there. They were both on the field a ton like always. The reads went elsewhere and that's on the QB just as much.

I told people when CMC got here it would push other guys in the background. 2-0 with him so that's all that should matter imo

Kittle and Deebo were covered very well by Samuel and James, two pretty good DBs. From what I could see, there was rarely any separation.

In the end, Garoppolo seemed comfortable going elsewhere and it worked. 19 for 28 with three obvious throwaways.

Agreed. People act like there aren't NFL players on the other side and we can just dial up free plays all game lol. Like I said their pass D doesn't stink.

overall we won and we're a couple poor executed plays always from putting up 30+ again

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Agreed. Jimmy made several solid passes and didn't try to force anything that wasn't there. I would grade him 8/10 for this one.

Yeah he hasn't played poorly as of late. His skill set still limits what the offense can do overall (including making things harder for everyone) but our HC is calling plays that benefit him. As long as Jimmy plays his part they will win/be in just about every game they play.

Originally posted by dj43:
I just watched a short interview with Jeff Saturday in which he basically said, "I just told the guys to go out and play football. You are all pros and know what you should be doing." It worked. After all the chaos of the past two weeks and an underperforming season, and despite some key injuries, the Colts went out and played above expectations.

I bring that up in this thread because I believe the offense under Shanahan is playing too tight. They need to feel enabled to just go out and play the game without having to face Shanahan's well-documented potty mouth when things go wrong.

It shouldn't be this hard. With all this talent, things should look better.

The Tomsula and Singletary approach to coaching.

"Just play better!"

Originally posted by dj43:
I just watched a short interview with Jeff Saturday in which he basically said, "I just told the guys to go out and play football. You are all pros and know what you should be doing." It worked. After all the chaos of the past two weeks and an underperforming season, and despite some key injuries, the Colts went out and played above expectations.

I bring that up in this thread because I believe the offense under Shanahan is playing too tight. They need to feel enabled to just go out and play the game without having to face Shanahan's well-documented potty mouth when things go wrong.

It shouldn't be this hard. With all this talent, things should look better.

Meh. I don't buy that or Saturday. They put in a better QB and played an awful Vegas team.

Overall I don't see some uber complex offense here. It's a lot of stuff they've been running for years. Guys get to run choice routes. Jimmy can audible. It's not long drawn out routes or 5/7 step drop backs. Catch the ball and go be you basically.

We got some young guys, players coming back from injury or having to play more snaps then perviously. Guys are learning as they go. Much like a lot of teams right now

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Well in fairness to Kyle - he traded for Lance and Lance was the starter. jimmy G ended up being the back up unexpectedly and then Lance was lost for the year. I can't blame Kyle for that aside running Lance way to much lol

Is Lance a FQB? No, he is a TBD

Ok and? That doesn't change the fact Kyle is actively trying to upgrade the position.

Actively trying?.. yes

Does he have a confirmed FQB?.. no.

Are we 6 years in?.. yes.

I would expect a offensive minded genius to get that position right in less than 6 years. For a comp, Andy Reid got the position solved before his first game as HC. He drafted McNabb before he coached a single game, and developed him to be much better than he was on draft day.

How long do we give KS to figure it out? 10 years?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by dj43:
I just watched a short interview with Jeff Saturday in which he basically said, "I just told the guys to go out and play football. You are all pros and know what you should be doing." It worked. After all the chaos of the past two weeks and an underperforming season, and despite some key injuries, the Colts went out and played above expectations.

I bring that up in this thread because I believe the offense under Shanahan is playing too tight. They need to feel enabled to just go out and play the game without having to face Shanahan's well-documented potty mouth when things go wrong.

It shouldn't be this hard. With all this talent, things should look better.

Meh. I don't buy that or Saturday. They put in a better QB and played an awful Vegas team.

Overall I don't see some uber complex offense here. It's a lot of stuff they've been running for years. Guys get to run choice routes. Jimmy can audible. It's not long drawn out routes or 5/7 step drop backs. Catch the ball and go be you basically.

We got some young guys, players coming back from injury or having to play more snaps then perviously. Guys are learning as they go. Much like a lot of teams right now

Without access to the coaches film, it feels like to me that our offense IS actually very simple for a QB--- yes, there are coverage beaters, option routes/concepts designed to attack certain defenses... and we have shot plays off play action... but largely, everything is crossers, slants, and screens off three-step or five-step drops. We don't usually attack the perimeter or the deep middle. It caters to Jimmy's strengths/preferences as a QB, as well as personnel that can run after the catch, and an offensive line that is better at run-blocking than pass protection.

As such, I feel like it's a very rhythm-based offense, dependent on Garoppolo's accuracy & quick release, as well as Shanahan's ability to mix it up against the opposing defensive coordinator. Everyone knows the crosser, slant, or screen is coming... it's just a matter of how well/poorly they disguise it, and how well Shanahan times the right playcall. I remember a game against the Rams two or three seasons ago, where Jimmy was able to play, but nursing an injury and virtually EVERY throw was within 5 yards of the LOS. The Rams knew it was coming, but Shanahan somehow mixed it up well enough that they were still able to execute the plays.

It's why Shanahan offenses seem to get better over the course of the season. It's been the same offense the last couple years, but there are new wrinkles and defenses react in different ways that Shanahan is learning to playcall against every season.

This was the first game we had with all the skill players together, healthy. Assuming good health, this offense should continue to grow over the last half of the season. I'm expecting them to get better and better, and will be shocked if they're not a more explosive offense by season's end.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by dj43:
I just watched a short interview with Jeff Saturday in which he basically said, "I just told the guys to go out and play football. You are all pros and know what you should be doing." It worked. After all the chaos of the past two weeks and an underperforming season, and despite some key injuries, the Colts went out and played above expectations.

I bring that up in this thread because I believe the offense under Shanahan is playing too tight. They need to feel enabled to just go out and play the game without having to face Shanahan's well-documented potty mouth when things go wrong.

It shouldn't be this hard. With all this talent, things should look better.

The Tomsula and Singletary approach to coaching.

"Just play better!"

That wasn't the point at all. It was about allowing the players to feel more relaxed without the constant fear of mistakes. There is a difference.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by dj43:
I just watched a short interview with Jeff Saturday in which he basically said, "I just told the guys to go out and play football. You are all pros and know what you should be doing." It worked. After all the chaos of the past two weeks and an underperforming season, and despite some key injuries, the Colts went out and played above expectations.

I bring that up in this thread because I believe the offense under Shanahan is playing too tight. They need to feel enabled to just go out and play the game without having to face Shanahan's well-documented potty mouth when things go wrong.

It shouldn't be this hard. With all this talent, things should look better.

The Tomsula and Singletary approach to coaching.

"Just play better!"

That wasn't the point at all. It was about allowing the players to feel more relaxed without the constant fear of mistakes. There is a difference.

That may work for a few games but over time that laid back attitude will create a losing culture.