49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

Originally posted by Rascal:
Is there a 9ers version of this? LOL.

Gents, I know these are difficult times, but let's just chill for 5 mins.

The Giants were supposed to be a playoff team this year. They were 11-5 last season and even added Brandon Marshall for 2017.

All three of their WR's went down last game. Their season is finished. It was already pretty much done after starting 0-4 before their last game.

The Giants downfall cannot be compared to the 2017 49ers. We pretty much have a whole new roster and were never considered a playoff team. Before the season started most had the 49ers as bottom feeders. You're trying way too hard.

Man I hope they bring in TO even if he can't play anymore...just for entertainment reasons.

Originally posted by jcs:

Man I hope they bring in TO even if he can't play anymore...just for entertainment reasons.

Turn kaep into a receiver

Originally posted by NCommand:
Nice post Paul.

This is ultimately it for me this year. Lay down two battle tested real NFL schemes (one that can take 3 years to master) and get as many snaps as you can for your young players who will be part of the foundation going forward. I look at individual performances each week within this context.

And most fans are missing it. It's calculated. This is literally an extended pre season designed to install the systems and get the youth up to speed within the systems.

And each week, just like a pre season game, a new player is highlighted:

Hoyer - as bipolar as it gets BUT clearly, the playbook is wide open with him and as a result, the other 10 grow faster.
Taylor - highlighted two weeks ago
Kittle - highlighted this week
Hyde - coaches have seen enough; time to develop Breida
Breida - highlighted this week while Hyde sat
Goodwin - highlighted the past two weeks
T.Brown - highlighted this week in outside zone (our future)
Tartt & Ward - our future
Thomas - learning 3 positions (our future)
Buckner - duh
Armstead - ? but learning 3 positions
Jones - nice player learning from Mitchell
Robinson - had his best game
Witherspoon - was put in for Dontae but got a concussion (our future?)
Tank - our future at 6T
Williams - our future (new contract)
Juice - our future
Foster - our future
Taylor/Bolden/Mostert/Colbert/Nelson/Pinion - our present and future (all studs already)

And soon we'll start to see Blair, Pita and maybe BeatHard too at some point.

This is all calculated with targeting and developing the youth. Guys like Bowman, Mitchell, Celek, Garcon, Paulsen, etc. are going to see less and less snaps and in fact, we're already seeing that and that was the plan all along...as it should be!

The fact that we're taking that approach AND staying competitive during system installs, with so much youth and while having the 2nd most players on I.R. is a HUGE testament to our Head Coach.

Forget the W-L's...this is how you evaluate a rebuild.

And kuddos to Kyle for executing the FO plan. It's the right plan for tomorrow.

Excellent post (as usual) and interesting points well made. This is the sort of stuff that makes me think whether my take on future talent has been overly gloomy. Perhaps I have been (though perhaps you may be painting an overly rosy picture ), but it's better than the blind faith/fingers in the ears approach of some people in the WZ.

If what you say is true however, I expect that the glitches in the system install (penalties, drops etc) will start vanishing as the season wears on; we've already finished almost a third of it so the team better make a start at this. I am personally pessimistic that this will happen, especially since all this "moral victory" talk justifies failure and lowers intensity. But perhaps (hopefully) I'm wrong.

I'm also somewhat dubious about the timescales of this plan. As I think we all agree, NFL careers are very short, and youth intake continues. Your description of several players as "our future" assumes that 3 years down the line these players are still with the team/uninjured. I find this very optimistic. And new draftees will keep coming in, making their own "youthful" errors, perhaps perpetuating a culture of sloppiness and low-intensity. Victories, even "worthless" draft-position damaging ones, are something real to build on.

As I said, I hope I'm wrong and you are right. But what I'm trying to say here is that the jump from coordinator to HC is an especially tough one because of the human management and "corporate" culture development that the role entails. We all can trot off examples of brilliant coordinators (Phillips, Turner etc) who turned out to be pathetic head coaches. We can also go back to the toxic experience the Shanahans contributed in in DC. Yes, I know, Dan Snyder is a muppet. But then so is Jed.

I wanted Shanahan to come here, because he was the best of all the candidates discussed in the offseason. I have no doubt of his ability to scheme, but I had fears about his ability to install a professional and intense culture in the locker room (based on his experience in DC, where of course his father was the main man but he had major input). And I remain very wary of "geniuses" who become arrogant that it's their way and none other. See Kelly, Chip.

Speaking of Chip, I remember going as a neutral to a Thursday night game in 2013 between the Eagles and the Chiefs in Philly (where I have ties, as I have mentioned). This was the first year of the Reid regime, after they had just traded for Alex. It was an unbelievably sloppy and badly played game that the Chiefs finally won in the end pretty much by default. Thursday night explains a lot of course, but it was also Week 3 and you could see that both teams were struggling with installing new systems (this was Philly's first year with Kelly). But I could also see that KC was heading in the right direction (they made the playoffs that year, and barring a complete brainfart while 1 trillion points up in the WC game would have made the divisionals): a sensible HC, with flaws but always first to own responsibility, a professional veteran QB, and yes, being able to pull out a victory out of their asses in the end. This is what I was hoping for this year - not playoffs (our talent is way below that of 2013 KC, but this is because we opted to turn over the whole team in one summer), but competence. I haven't seen this yet with us this year.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by genus49:
We still hating on the coaching? Just want to make sure I have my posting in order.

McVay still the golden standard?

Nah we good we the best 0-5 in the history of the league.

ftfy

Improving with class.

I mean, at least we're "better" than last year right?

Til

We should not be watching the games looking for wins.

you should be watching the games to be entertained by good product on the field. and that product is night and day compared to last year, despite not winning close games. but you dont know anything about football, so.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Niners816:
4th and 1, 4th quarter down by 7....the call Spider Y Banana.



Luck was in the building


He threw the Venus in college and Gruden flipped out.....Hoyer threw the banana to Kittle.

Ok some nerdy X's and O's notes....the play luck drew is 21 personnel so by definition there's 2 WR so it actually has a vertical or as Gruden calls it a Venus. The X WR ran it. We ran it from 22 personnel so there's only one WR and there's no vertical.

Gruden is right that the FB is open 90% of the time. Juice got bumped off of his route a bit on the 4th down play. However I think this will be a big play for us as the install continues because it's a way to get both Juice and Kittle touches.

I watched the play again and it had a wrinkle to it. Celek chipped and then ran a drag. This added a little mesh action to this play.

love it. nice post. maybe sus and cc can learn something

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by jcs:
Man I hope they bring in TO even if he can't play anymore...just for entertainment reasons.

Turn kaep into a receiver

kap*

Originally posted by defenderDX:
you should be watching the games to be entertained by good product on the field. and that product is night and day compared to last year, despite not winning close games. but you dont know anything about football, so.

lol at people who love getting on their high horse and lecturing to others why we should be watching. what we should be watching for and then proclaiming they know nothing about the game.

Originally posted by cciowa:
lol at people who love getting on their high horse and lecturing to others why we should be watching. what we should be watching for and then proclaiming they know nothing about the game.

Nvm

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by genus49:

We still hating on the coaching? Just want to make sure I have my posting in order.

McVay still the golden standard?

Nah we good we the best 0-5 in the history of the league.

ftfy

Improving with class.

I mean, at least we're "better" than last year right?

Til

We should not be watching the games looking for wins.

We only raise one point loss banners.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by genus49:
We still hating on the coaching? Just want to make sure I have my posting in order.

McVay still the golden standard?

Nah we good we the best 0-5 in the history of the league.

ftfy

Improving with class.

I mean, at least we're "better" than last year right?

Til

We should not be watching the games looking for wins.

We only raise one point loss banners.

Moral Victory Banners.

lol @ fans who are surprised at our record and could never handle the reality in the offseason that we wouldnt be good still and would take time

This thread is becoming as polarized as the Alex Smith thread, which is really quite odd. I honestly don't understand why anyone would have a bone to pick with Shanahan at this point unless they had someone how deluded themselves into thinking that this was going to be some sort of magical turnaround year and that he was going to somehow catapult a team with a new system on both offense and defense with a lot of rookies, UDFA's, first and second year players, and few vets into contention for the NFC West title. It is clearly evident just from watching the games that the team is better than it has been for the past couple of years if people in here can't see that well then they're just not paying attention or don't know what they're talking about, which is always the most likely scenario.

The penalties are a drag but I don't lay that entirely at the feet of the coaching staff. You can try and teach technique and discipline but at the end of the day it is up to the players to execute you can't be standing out there whispering in their ear while their playing. By all accounts Shanahan's offense is a pretty complex one that even took an established vet like Matt Ryan a couple of years to master so that it might take a team that is pretty young a while to get everything together shouldn't come as any surprise. They spent that last several years drafting players to fit a 3-4 scheme on defense now they have switched it up to a 4-3 and some of these guys just aren't going to be suited to that style so they are going to need to get that sorted out, which again is going to take some time. So all of the b***hing and handwringing going on in here is really hard to fathom. All I can think of is that there are a lot of people in here who wanted a different coach hired or a different player drafted and so are just venting because things didn't go the way they wanted them to, which is a common problem with this forum. "Oh, I know better than the coaches and if the team would just listen to me and do what I want them to do they'd be so much better off". "if they had only drafted _______ (fill in the blank) or hired _________ (fill in the blank) we'd be 5-0 and headed to the Super Bowl".

I sought this forum out because I thought it would be fun to talk about a team that I have followed since I was a teenager but I have to confess that there are only about 20-30 people who post in here on a regular basis that seem to have the slightest idea what they are talking about and don't get hung up on seem weird post or obsession that they keep hammering and hammering and hammering. I think I can honestly say that the only real issue I have had with the team over the past few years was their Super Bowl loss, which ruined their perfect record, and for that I blame Jim Harbaugh and Colin Kaepernick, in that order. The dumpster fire that the team has been since then can probably be laid at Trent Baalke's feet but he's gone now and a new era has begun, hopefully one that will see us competing at a high level once again. But at the end of the day it is only a stupid game and hardly worth all of the drama that some people seem to invest in it. That being said, Go Niners!!

Originally posted by 49ers81:
This thread is becoming as polarized as the Alex Smith thread, which is really quite odd. I honestly don't understand why anyone would have a bone to pick with Shanahan at this point unless they had someone how deluded themselves into thinking that this was going to be some sort of magical turnaround year and that he was going to somehow catapult a team with a new system on both offense and defense with a lot of rookies, UDFA's, first and second year players, and few vets into contention for the NFC West title. It is clearly evident just from watching the games that the team is better than it has been for the past couple of years if people in here can't see that well then they're just not paying attention or don't know what they're talking about, which is always the most likely scenario.

The penalties are a drag but I don't lay that entirely at the feet of the coaching staff. You can try and teach technique and discipline but at the end of the day it is up to the players to execute you can't be standing out there whispering in their ear while their playing. By all accounts Shanahan's offense is a pretty complex one that even took an established vet like Matt Ryan a couple of years to master so that it might take a team that is pretty young a while to get everything together shouldn't come as any surprise. They spent that last several years drafting players to fit a 3-4 scheme on defense now they have switched it up to a 4-3 and some of these guys just aren't going to be suited to that style so they are going to need to get that sorted out, which again is going to take some time. So all of the b***hing and handwringing going on in here is really hard to fathom. All I can think of is that there are a lot of people in here who wanted a different coach hired or a different player drafted and so are just venting because things didn't go the way they wanted them to, which is a common problem with this forum. "Oh, I know better than the coaches and if the team would just listen to me and do what I want them to do they'd be so much better off". "if they had only drafted _______ (fill in the blank) or hired _________ (fill in the blank) we'd be 5-0 and headed to the Super Bowl".

I sought this forum out because I thought it would be fun to talk about a team that I have followed since I was a teenager but I have to confess that there are only about 20-30 people who post in here on a regular basis that seem to have the slightest idea what they are talking about and don't get hung up on seem weird post or obsession that they keep hammering and hammering and hammering. I think I can honestly say that the only real issue I have had with the team over the past few years was their Super Bowl loss, which ruined their perfect record, and for that I blame Jim Harbaugh and Colin Kaepernick, in that order. The dumpster fire that the team has been since then can probably be laid at Trent Baalke's feet but he's gone now and a new era has begun, hopefully one that will see us competing at a high level once again. But at the end of the day it is only a stupid game and hardly worth all of the drama that some people seem to invest in it. That being said, Go Niners!!

i do not like ck at all but i never blame him for the super bowl loss.... that was on jh and roman totally

32nd ranked d, backup qb. Moral victories still accepted.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
32nd ranked d, backup qb. Moral victories still accepted.

its the only way to win you know!!