49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:

No doubt this team is a solid QB away from being respectable again. Fans bashing Shanahan are nuts

we need massive upgrades in the o line. wide outs. entire secondary linebackers. not impressed so far is more like the feeling many have.

If we had a solid qb we'd easily be 4-1 right now possible 5-0

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
No doubt this team is a solid QB away from being respectable again. Fans bashing Shanahan are nuts

we need massive upgrades in the o line. wide outs. entire secondary linebackers. not impressed so far is more like the feeling many have.

If we had a solid qb we'd easily be 4-1 right now possible 5-0

if ifs and buts were candy and nuts we would all have a merry xmas. the coach wanted hoyer and now he is stuck unless he wants to give the kid a shot.

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
No doubt this team is a solid QB away from being respectable again. Fans bashing Shanahan are nuts

we need massive upgrades in the o line. wide outs. entire secondary linebackers. not impressed so far is more like the feeling many have.

If we had a solid qb we'd easily be 4-1 right now possible 5-0

FWIW Hoyer actually had good statistical games against the Rams and Colts. Even slightly below average QB play would have won us the games in Arizona and Seattle though.

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by Niners816:

ITS BEEN FIVE f**kING GAMES.....

almost a 3rd of the season

In year 1 of a total rebuild.....

what were the past 2 seasons?

wasted f**king years. what do you think they were?

True... normally I'd say, well, at least some young players got experience but they all ended up on I.R. and played in terrible schemes and had even worse coaching. That's worse...having to unlearn crap before resetting and learning the right way.

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:

No doubt this team is a solid QB away from being respectable again. Fans bashing Shanahan are nuts

we need massive upgrades in the o line. wide outs. entire secondary linebackers. not impressed so far is more like the feeling many have.

If we had a solid qb we'd easily be 4-1 right now possible 5-0

Maybe one day the team will try to get one of those.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by zeppfan1:

Originally posted by Niners816:
How could he possibly take him over these all stars:

Glennon
Geno Smith
Kap
Ryan Fitzpatrick
RGIII
Osweiler
Cutler

You guys guys act like he took him over Brady or Rodgers. With that cast of QBs I think he was pretty f**king wise to put a premier on system familiarity even if it means having the guy in the room with a rookie QBs to help learn the system.

+1

The response was if KS hand picked Hoyer and it's clear he did. Could he have hand picked someone else? Before you respond with the same QB's on your list remember in the NFL you aren't simply limited to just F/A in order to shore up your roster. This said a few of those QB's in hindsight have had better and more productive moments in their career than Hoyer ever has.

ahh so cryptic

won't you stop the games and list these QBs

EJ Manuel, Landry Jones, Nick Foles, AJ McCarron, Trevor Siemian, Jacoby Brisette even Cousins and Garappolo were reported to be available for the right price. The draft had 3 first round QB's we passed over two of which are already starting. We deliberately went with Hoyer and Barkley.

EJ Manuel ! has never put up the numbers close to Hoyer has and is no where near a fit for the scheme
Landry Jones ! lol really ?
Nick Foles ? maybe but he's just another Barkley
AJ ? uh No because he's under contract
Trevor Siemian, no way and he's under contract
Brisset, no way and he's under contract
Cousins, Snyder doesn't want KS to have him
Garappolo, has only played 5 qtrs and Pats want 2 first rounders please

none of your options were either not available or definitely not worth it

So much this!! and thanks for saving me the time I was just gonna post something similar. If Garappollo was available for maybe a 2nd and a 3rd no doubt I would've expected Lynch and Shanahan to pick him up. After all Shanahan liked Garappollo coming outta college, so maybe Shanahan would've picked up him and Hoyer. Like Niners816 said, it was system familiarity that played a big part in signing Hoyer.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
No doubt this team is a solid QB away from being respectable again. Fans bashing Shanahan are nuts

we need massive upgrades in the o line. wide outs. entire secondary linebackers. not impressed so far is more like the feeling many have.

If we had a solid qb we'd easily be 4-1 right now possible 5-0

if ifs and buts were candy and nuts we would all have a merry xmas. the coach wanted hoyer and now he is stuck unless he wants to give the kid a shot.

What makes it worse is that CJ is plan B.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by zeppfan1:

Originally posted by Niners816:
How could he possibly take him over these all stars:

Glennon
Geno Smith
Kap
Ryan Fitzpatrick
RGIII
Osweiler
Cutler

You guys guys act like he took him over Brady or Rodgers. With that cast of QBs I think he was pretty f**king wise to put a premier on system familiarity even if it means having the guy in the room with a rookie QBs to help learn the system.

+1

The response was if KS hand picked Hoyer and it's clear he did. Could he have hand picked someone else? Before you respond with the same QB's on your list remember in the NFL you aren't simply limited to just F/A in order to shore up your roster. This said a few of those QB's in hindsight have had better and more productive moments in their career than Hoyer ever has.

ahh so cryptic

won't you stop the games and list these QBs

EJ Manuel, Landry Jones, Nick Foles, AJ McCarron, Trevor Siemian, Jacoby Brisette even Cousins and Garappolo were reported to be available for the right price. The draft had 3 first round QB's we passed over two of which are already starting. We deliberately went with Hoyer and Barkley.

EJ Manuel ! has never put up the numbers close to Hoyer has and is no where near a fit for the scheme
Landry Jones ! lol really ?
Nick Foles ? maybe but he's just another Barkley
AJ ? uh No because he's under contract
Trevor Siemian, no way and he's under contract
Brisset, no way and he's under contract
Cousins, Snyder doesn't want KS to have him
Garappolo, has only played 5 qtrs and Pats want 2 first rounders please

none of your options were either not available or definitely not worth it

So much this!! and thanks for saving me the time I was just gonna post something similar. If Garappollo was available for maybe a 2nd and a 3rd no doubt I would've expected Lynch and Shanahan to pick him up. After all Shanahan liked Garappollo coming outta college, so maybe Shanahan would've picked up him and Hoyer. Like Niners816 said, it was system familiarity that played a big part in signing Hoyer.

yeah, Hoyer had 4 factors :

played in the system before
Doesn't mind being a back up if he can't perform
Cheap
We are not stuck with him as say signing a bigger name bust

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by zeppfan1:

Originally posted by Niners816:

How could he possibly take him over these all stars:

Glennon
Geno Smith
Kap
Ryan Fitzpatrick
RGIII
Osweiler
Cutler

You guys guys act like he took him over Brady or Rodgers. With that cast of QBs I think he was pretty f**king wise to put a premier on system familiarity even if it means having the guy in the room with a rookie QBs to help learn the system.

+1

The response was if KS hand picked Hoyer and it's clear he did. Could he have hand picked someone else? Before you respond with the same QB's on your list remember in the NFL you aren't simply limited to just F/A in order to shore up your roster. This said a few of those QB's in hindsight have had better and more productive moments in their career than Hoyer ever has.

ahh so cryptic

won't you stop the games and list these QBs

EJ Manuel, Landry Jones, Nick Foles, AJ McCarron, Trevor Siemian, Jacoby Brisette even Cousins and Garappolo were reported to be available for the right price. The draft had 3 first round QB's we passed over two of which are already starting. We deliberately went with Hoyer and Barkley.

EJ Manuel ! has never put up the numbers close to Hoyer has and is no where near a fit for the scheme
Landry Jones ! lol really ?
Nick Foles ? maybe but he's just another Barkley
AJ ? uh No because he's under contract
Trevor Siemian, no way and he's under contract
Brisset, no way and he's under contract
Cousins, Snyder doesn't want KS to have him
Garappolo, has only played 5 qtrs and Pats want 2 first rounders please

none of your options were either not available or definitely not worth it

So much this!! and thanks for saving me the time I was just gonna post something similar. If Garappollo was available for maybe a 2nd and a 3rd no doubt I would've expected Lynch and Shanahan to pick him up. After all Shanahan liked Garappollo coming outta college, so maybe Shanahan would've picked up him and Hoyer. Like Niners816 said, it was system familiarity that played a big part in signing Hoyer.

yeah, Hoyer had 4 factors :

played in the system before
Doesn't mind being a back up if he can't perform
Cheap
We are not stuck with him as say signing a bigger name bust

Ability to play well in Shanahan's system would be a nice 5th factor.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by zeppfan1:

Originally posted by Niners816:
How could he possibly take him over these all stars:

Glennon
Geno Smith
Kap
Ryan Fitzpatrick
RGIII
Osweiler
Cutler

You guys guys act like he took him over Brady or Rodgers. With that cast of QBs I think he was pretty f**king wise to put a premier on system familiarity even if it means having the guy in the room with a rookie QBs to help learn the system.

+1

The response was if KS hand picked Hoyer and it's clear he did. Could he have hand picked someone else? Before you respond with the same QB's on your list remember in the NFL you aren't simply limited to just F/A in order to shore up your roster. This said a few of those QB's in hindsight have had better and more productive moments in their career than Hoyer ever has.

ahh so cryptic

won't you stop the games and list these QBs

EJ Manuel, Landry Jones, Nick Foles, AJ McCarron, Trevor Siemian, Jacoby Brisette even Cousins and Garappolo were reported to be available for the right price. The draft had 3 first round QB's we passed over two of which are already starting. We deliberately went with Hoyer and Barkley.

EJ Manuel ! has never put up the numbers close to Hoyer has and is no where near a fit for the scheme
Landry Jones ! lol really ?
Nick Foles ? maybe but he's just another Barkley
AJ ? uh No because he's under contract
Trevor Siemian, no way and he's under contract
Brisset, no way and he's under contract
Cousins, Snyder doesn't want KS to have him
Garappolo, has only played 5 qtrs and Pats want 2 first rounders please

none of your options were either not available or definitely not worth it

So much this!! and thanks for saving me the time I was just gonna post something similar. If Garappollo was available for maybe a 2nd and a 3rd no doubt I would've expected Lynch and Shanahan to pick him up. After all Shanahan liked Garappollo coming outta college, so maybe Shanahan would've picked up him and Hoyer. Like Niners816 said, it was system familiarity that played a big part in signing Hoyer.

yeah, Hoyer had 4 factors :

played in the system before
Doesn't mind being a back up if he can't perform
Cheap
We are not stuck with him as say signing a bigger name bust

Ability to play well in Shanahan's system would be a nice 5th factor.

No doubt at all!! But for now at least he's serviceable, not Gabbert'able!!!

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by zeppfan1:

Originally posted by Niners816:
How could he possibly take him over these all stars:

Glennon
Geno Smith
Kap
Ryan Fitzpatrick
RGIII
Osweiler
Cutler

You guys guys act like he took him over Brady or Rodgers. With that cast of QBs I think he was pretty f**king wise to put a premier on system familiarity even if it means having the guy in the room with a rookie QBs to help learn the system.

+1

The response was if KS hand picked Hoyer and it's clear he did. Could he have hand picked someone else? Before you respond with the same QB's on your list remember in the NFL you aren't simply limited to just F/A in order to shore up your roster. This said a few of those QB's in hindsight have had better and more productive moments in their career than Hoyer ever has.

ahh so cryptic

won't you stop the games and list these QBs

EJ Manuel, Landry Jones, Nick Foles, AJ McCarron, Trevor Siemian, Jacoby Brisette even Cousins and Garappolo were reported to be available for the right price. The draft had 3 first round QB's we passed over two of which are already starting. We deliberately went with Hoyer and Barkley.

EJ Manuel ! has never put up the numbers close to Hoyer has and is no where near a fit for the scheme
Landry Jones ! lol really ?
Nick Foles ? maybe but he's just another Barkley
AJ ? uh No because he's under contract
Trevor Siemian, no way and he's under contract
Brisset, no way and he's under contract
Cousins, Snyder doesn't want KS to have him
Garappolo, has only played 5 qtrs and Pats want 2 first rounders please

none of your options were either not available or definitely not worth it

So much this!! and thanks for saving me the time I was just gonna post something similar. If Garappollo was available for maybe a 2nd and a 3rd no doubt I would've expected Lynch and Shanahan to pick him up. After all Shanahan liked Garappollo coming outta college, so maybe Shanahan would've picked up him and Hoyer. Like Niners816 said, it was system familiarity that played a big part in signing Hoyer.

yeah, Hoyer had 4 factors :

played in the system before
Doesn't mind being a back up if he can't perform
Cheap
We are not stuck with him as say signing a bigger name bust

Ability to play well in Shanahan's system would be a nice 5th factor.

No doubt at all!! But for now at least he's serviceable, not Gabbert'able!!!

play well.. ? two 3oo+ yard and multiple TD games on a talentless team as CC would say.

Clean up the drops and penalties and the whole team will look better

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by zeppfan1:

Originally posted by Niners816:
How could he possibly take him over these all stars:

Glennon
Geno Smith
Kap
Ryan Fitzpatrick
RGIII
Osweiler
Cutler

You guys guys act like he took him over Brady or Rodgers. With that cast of QBs I think he was pretty f**king wise to put a premier on system familiarity even if it means having the guy in the room with a rookie QBs to help learn the system.

+1

The response was if KS hand picked Hoyer and it's clear he did. Could he have hand picked someone else? Before you respond with the same QB's on your list remember in the NFL you aren't simply limited to just F/A in order to shore up your roster. This said a few of those QB's in hindsight have had better and more productive moments in their career than Hoyer ever has.

ahh so cryptic

won't you stop the games and list these QBs

EJ Manuel, Landry Jones, Nick Foles, AJ McCarron, Trevor Siemian, Jacoby Brisette even Cousins and Garappolo were reported to be available for the right price. The draft had 3 first round QB's we passed over two of which are already starting. We deliberately went with Hoyer and Barkley.

So you are saying those QBs you are listing have had more productive careers that Hoyer? You are really grasping at straws here.

EJ Manuel - no
Landry Jones - no
Nick Foles - Debatable, initial success was more to do with Chip Kelly's system, mediocre after his first year
Trevor Siemian - Debatable, was benched last year, but arrow is up this year
Jacoby Brisiette - Debatable from a system standpoint, Colts aren't running what Shanny is running

I don't even know why we are mentioning Cousins or Garappolo, it was unlikely those 2 were even really available for acquisition via trade. If that was even a remote possibility, you know a team like the Cleveland Browns would have gave up a left-kidney to acquire one of those two. For us, even if Cousins was available, it was well-known that Snyder did not want to deal with Shanahan, so this was not even a remote possibility from the get-go.

In all reality, Hoyer is and was always a bridge. What you see is what you get, nothing better than a journeyman backup. He had familiarity with the system and was cheap, so that is why we chose him. The QB situation was always about next year. It is better to build up the team first; you can look at the Browns and the Texans as a good example of that. IF we do go after Cousins next year, Hoyer's salary is manageable, thus giving us flexibility on what we want to do with him. We can either keep him as a backup, trade him for some jockstraps, or cut him.

This year was a throw-away year for this regime. There has been improvement with the team on offense and defense, and if you do not see it, then you are blind with pessimism. This is more of a talent issue, and that can be blamed on the past GM who's name I shall not mention. To already throw fire and blame at the new regime is downright laughable. But hey, our nickname is the Forty-Whiners, so that is fitting for the current state of affairs in this thread

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Ability to play well in Shanahan's system would be a nice 5th factor.

Well, 2008-09 Schaub, 2012 RGIII and Matt Ryan weren't available.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Maybe Kyle should lower that loud music so the players can really focus on their job and stop making mental mistakes.

Was thinking the same, i think kyle tries to hard to be young and cool with these guys. He needs to be a leader of men.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Maybe Kyle should lower that loud music so the players can really focus on their job and stop making mental mistakes.

Was thinking the same, i think kyle tries to hard to be young and cool with these guys. He needs to be a leader of men.

Yah that's it awesome analysis.

lol