49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
I don't think sober analysis is an accurate descriptive of the above.

So you think we win in philly with the same offensive performance? With aj brown on the field instead of lamb?

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by jed_X:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Kyles offensive game plan was almost completely ineffective. Our line got blown up repeatedly. I didn't get the sense Kyle had answers or was probing for them.

Kyle clock management was baffling at end of 1st half.

The difference in the game came down to one play of brilliant improv between kittle and purdy. Plus dak pretzel is a massively overpaid fraudster like cousins and wilson.

A sober analysis tells us if the same thing happens sunday we get clobbered.

That clock management at the end of 1st half was stupid. I know it worked but that was some play not to lose kyle right there. Oh we have 1:15 sec left? Let's try to get some points but ultimately not give the cowboys 20 sec left because they might score. Lol

it was 3rd n 2, if we didnt convert we leave atleast 1 minute and dallas had two timeouts left over to them. They also were getting the ball in the 2nd half. Its really not that hard to understand.

Classic turtle thinking. We need to score tds not worry about what dallas might do. Holy moly.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Classic turtle thinking. We need to score tds not worry about what dallas might do. Holy moly.

We've been scoring TDs.

You can't expect us to "Score TDs" every single game though, otherwise declaring it a disaster whenever it's a defensive game where we run and protect the ball to close it out.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Classic turtle thinking. We need to score tds not worry about what dallas might do. Holy moly.

II'm going to quote myself so I can provide what I think is the most egregious example of turtle play calling in the entire game.

It came in the fourth quarter as we're winding down the clock it's third and eight with about a minute something left no timeouts for Dallas. The ball is going to stay on the ground and we need 8 yards. Now what do you call? Do you sneak in a pass play? Too risky. Kyle calls a line plunge. Gets 6 inches.

Now why do that? Why not call a play that might get eight yards on the ground? Why not give it a shot and do something positive to get the first down? It all worked out in the end. But that decision irked me. If Kyle wants to win a Super Bowl he needs to lose that kind of thinking in my opinion.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by jed_X:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Kyles offensive game plan was almost completely ineffective. Our line got blown up repeatedly. I didn't get the sense Kyle had answers or was probing for them.

Kyle clock management was baffling at end of 1st half.

The difference in the game came down to one play of brilliant improv between kittle and purdy. Plus dak pretzel is a massively overpaid fraudster like cousins and wilson.

A sober analysis tells us if the same thing happens sunday we get clobbered.

That clock management at the end of 1st half was stupid. I know it worked but that was some play not to lose kyle right there. Oh we have 1:15 sec left? Let's try to get some points but ultimately not give the cowboys 20 sec left because they might score. Lol

it was 3rd n 2, if we didnt convert we leave atleast 1 minute and dallas had two timeouts left over to them. They also were getting the ball in the 2nd half. Its really not that hard to understand.

Classic turtle thinking. We need to score tds not worry about what dallas might do. Holy moly.

yeah because we were moving the ball and scoring tds at will up to that point. Holy moly.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Classic turtle thinking. We need to score tds not worry about what dallas might do. Holy moly.

We've been scoring TDs.

You can't expect us to "Score TDs" every single game though, otherwise declaring it a disaster whenever it's a defensive game where we run and protect the ball to close it out.

This was halftime. We cant score tds if we don't try to score tds. We cant lose sight of that.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by jed_X:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Kyles offensive game plan was almost completely ineffective. Our line got blown up repeatedly. I didn't get the sense Kyle had answers or was probing for them.

Kyle clock management was baffling at end of 1st half.

The difference in the game came down to one play of brilliant improv between kittle and purdy. Plus dak pretzel is a massively overpaid fraudster like cousins and wilson.

A sober analysis tells us if the same thing happens sunday we get clobbered.

That clock management at the end of 1st half was stupid. I know it worked but that was some play not to lose kyle right there. Oh we have 1:15 sec left? Let's try to get some points but ultimately not give the cowboys 20 sec left because they might score. Lol

it was 3rd n 2, if we didnt convert we leave atleast 1 minute and dallas had two timeouts left over to them. They also were getting the ball in the 2nd half. Its really not that hard to understand.

Classic turtle thinking. We need to score tds not worry about what dallas might do. Holy moly.

yeah because we were moving the ball and scoring tds at will up to that point. Holy moly.

The way the game played out in the 2nd half only confirmed that Kyle made the right decision.

Why, logically, risk leaving 3 points on the board to score 7 points with one minute left,...in a game where we eventually won by that much and only because of Dak and Dallas' blunders? (picks, missed kicks)

In a game where we moved up and down the field all game, I'll hear you out. But a tight game like this? LoL. Don't just criticize...explain how a pick in that situation wouldnt've really hurt us.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by jed_X:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Kyles offensive game plan was almost completely ineffective. Our line got blown up repeatedly. I didn't get the sense Kyle had answers or was probing for them.

Kyle clock management was baffling at end of 1st half.

The difference in the game came down to one play of brilliant improv between kittle and purdy. Plus dak pretzel is a massively overpaid fraudster like cousins and wilson.

A sober analysis tells us if the same thing happens sunday we get clobbered.

That clock management at the end of 1st half was stupid. I know it worked but that was some play not to lose kyle right there. Oh we have 1:15 sec left? Let's try to get some points but ultimately not give the cowboys 20 sec left because they might score. Lol

it was 3rd n 2, if we didnt convert we leave atleast 1 minute and dallas had two timeouts left over to them. They also were getting the ball in the 2nd half. Its really not that hard to understand.

Classic turtle thinking. We need to score tds not worry about what dallas might do. Holy moly.

The part that people forget is they still had two timeouts. Yet we called a pass which of it had failed would have left them with still two timeouts.

If your going conservative you call a run on 3rd and short and force them to burn a timeout if you don't make it. So you punt it back with only one timeout or you convert.

He chose not to put his faith in the offense and he chose not to just take a knee. That move usually does not lead to winning.

It certainly took any chance of a TD out of the question. We were lucky to get a FG.

Then he chose to whine about purdy executing a 4 second play in 6 seconds even though it didn't matter.

It was not even a high percentage play because deebo is not the type of receiver to burst, stick his foot in the ground, and turn and catch the ball and step out.

He is not some kind of elite route runner. When is what you need on that quick out play.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
yeah because we were moving the ball and scoring tds at will up to that point. Holy moly.

This is the playoffs. We have to score tds. One td.explosive beats two long field goal drives. We have to make the four point plays. That's the brock purdy revelation. When we get the extra four points, we make the last 8 minutes irrelevant. That's important for us.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by joeknows:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
HHeck of a coach with five all pros in skill positions. Plus the best rookie quarterback performer ever. Plus Mitchell Jennings Mason. Can't say he doesn't have the tools to be successful.

Kyle took us to the Superbowl when the talent behind Deebo and Kittle was like, Emmanuel Sanders and Tevin Coleman. Coach gonna coach.

He's a massive part of the roster building as well. Kyle is the man and let's just be happy he's out HC

KKyle is an incredibly talented guy and we are lucky to have him in this organization. No question. No argument.

Having said that, It's okay for the talent to be successful outside the play designs. It's okay for guys to build chemistry and improv on the field successfully. That's okay for example, it won us the game yesterday. Nothing wrong with that.. A wise parent realizes when it's time to let the kids make their own choices.

No one is saying it's not okay…every team has to make plays out of structure. I've been the number one guy supporting that and got a ton of hate because our old QB simply couldn't do it. There's a difference between being a game manger and a QB that can run the offense AND make plays when s**t breaks down.

it's a reason why Lance was the pick and a reason why we all like Brock/he's been successful so far.

Um hmm. You don't get a sense there's culture in the film room that scolds players for going off schedule?

Only if it doesn't work. And Shanahan has been clear about that. In fact he's said REPEATEDLY he wants players who can "overcome coaching."

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Classic turtle thinking. We need to score tds not worry about what dallas might do. Holy moly.

II'm going to quote myself so I can provide what I think is the most egregious example of turtle play calling in the entire game.

It came in the fourth quarter as we're winding down the clock it's third and eight with about a minute something left no timeouts for Dallas. The ball is going to stay on the ground and we need 8 yards. Now what do you call? Do you sneak in a pass play? Too risky. Kyle calls a line plunge. Gets 6 inches.

Now why do that? Why not call a play that might get eight yards on the ground? Why not give it a shot and do something positive to get the first down? It all worked out in the end. But that decision irked me. If Kyle wants to win a Super Bowl he needs to lose that kind of thinking in my opinion.

That wasn't 3rd down and 8, it was 2nd down and 9, and the Cowboys still had 1 timeout. You'd think an offensive genius like yourself would at least get that part right.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Classic turtle thinking. We need to score tds not worry about what dallas might do. Holy moly.

II'm going to quote myself so I can provide what I think is the most egregious example of turtle play calling in the entire game.

It came in the fourth quarter as we're winding down the clock it's third and eight with about a minute something left no timeouts for Dallas. The ball is going to stay on the ground and we need 8 yards. Now what do you call? Do you sneak in a pass play? Too risky. Kyle calls a line plunge. Gets 6 inches.

Now why do that? Why not call a play that might get eight yards on the ground? Why not give it a shot and do something positive to get the first down? It all worked out in the end. But that decision irked me. If Kyle wants to win a Super Bowl he needs to lose that kind of thinking in my opinion.

That wasn't 3rd down and 8, it was 2nd down and 9, and the Cowboys still had 1 timeout. You'd think an offensive genius like yourself would at least get that part right.

Wasn't the third down play a screen pass to cmc.

Originally posted by Andra:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Classic turtle thinking. We need to score tds not worry about what dallas might do. Holy moly.

II'm going to quote myself so I can provide what I think is the most egregious example of turtle play calling in the entire game.

It came in the fourth quarter as we're winding down the clock it's third and eight with about a minute something left no timeouts for Dallas. The ball is going to stay on the ground and we need 8 yards. Now what do you call? Do you sneak in a pass play? Too risky. Kyle calls a line plunge. Gets 6 inches.

Now why do that? Why not call a play that might get eight yards on the ground? Why not give it a shot and do something positive to get the first down? It all worked out in the end. But that decision irked me. If Kyle wants to win a Super Bowl he needs to lose that kind of thinking in my opinion.

That wasn't 3rd down and 8, it was 2nd down and 9, and the Cowboys still had 1 timeout. You'd think an offensive genius like yourself would at least get that part right.

Wasn't the third down play a screen pass to cmc.

You're both right. I misremembered the Mithchell line plunges on1 & 2 down. I can't believe it. Thanks for doing the research I couldn't be bothered with. I need a timeout.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/playbyplay/_/gameId/401438006

Like to see the all-22 to see if guys were getting open or if Brock was holding onto the ball too long. The OL wasn't pass-protecting as affectively as in past weeks as well.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
yeah because we were moving the ball and scoring tds at will up to that point. Holy moly.

This is the playoffs. We have to score tds. One td.explosive beats two long field goal drives. We have to make the four point plays. That's the brock purdy revelation. When we get the extra four points, we make the last 8 minutes irrelevant. That's important for us.

We will get blown out if we only score 1 TD. Kyle is gonna have to use a passing attack in this one