49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
is that jimmy criticism from NC

He's seeing we were right all along in real time Att.

Baby steps

Lol. Right at wanting better QB play? Who didn't want that?

The issue with you guys is you weren't grounded in reality...still had elite expectations for a top 12 QB talent. His output was very consistent, injured or not. Teams have won Superbowls with his production. We just won with a Jimmy-like playoff production with Brock. If you were going go win with a guy like Jimmy, a FO choice, you were going to need a few more parts (e.g. better PP, a CMC-like outlet, defense not collapsing two digit scores late in the 4Q, health, etc.). The goal was always to have a QB who could (hence the move for Trey) help transcend those issues should they arise but that was never a reality here if the goal was to win it all with Jimmy.

Jimmy >>>> Stafford

I member

We weren't grounded in reality? That statement and his story doesn't match either lol

at least we got him to say the truth for a second

Look no further than where a large portion of the cap space goes into. QB's and pass rushers are the highest paid players on the field. Its all about how often and how quickly a defense can generate pressure. It is also about how well QB's handle the pressure. After doing much research, I have found that the elite QB's in the league are better at handling pressure.

I have come up with a formula based on pressure that had me 6-0 in predicting the WC round and 4-0 against the spread in the DP round.

Jimmy has had an average pressure rate of 31.9% in his career and so far Brock has dealt with an average pressure rate of 33.5%. Jimmy has a 37.3% big time play rate, 9.3% turnover worthy play rate and a passer rating of 69.3. Brock has a 40.6% big time play rate, a 3.1% turnover worthy play rate and a passer rating of 88.1. Brock is more likely to make a big play and far less likely to turn the ball over when pressured.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
is that jimmy criticism from NC

He's seeing we were right all along in real time Att.

Baby steps

Lol. Right at wanting better QB play? Who didn't want that?

The issue with you guys is you weren't grounded in reality...still had elite expectations for a top 12 QB talent. His output was very consistent, injured or not. Teams have won Superbowls with his production. We just won with a Jimmy-like playoff production with Brock. If you were going go win with a guy like Jimmy, a FO choice, you were going to need a few more parts (e.g. better PP, a CMC-like outlet, defense not collapsing two digit scores late in the 4Q, health, etc.). The goal was always to have a QB who could (hence the move for Trey) help transcend those issues should they arise but that was never a reality here if the goal was to win it all with Jimmy.

Any more caveats you want to add ?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
is that jimmy criticism from NC

He's seeing we were right all along in real time Att.

Baby steps

Lol. Right at wanting better QB play? Who didn't want that?

The issue with you guys is you weren't grounded in reality...still had elite expectations for a top 12 QB talent. His output was very consistent, injured or not. Teams have won Superbowls with his production. We just won with a Jimmy-like playoff production with Brock. If you were going go win with a guy like Jimmy, a FO choice, you were going to need a few more parts (e.g. better PP, a CMC-like outlet, defense not collapsing two digit scores late in the 4Q, health, etc.). The goal was always to have a QB who could (hence the move for Trey) help transcend those issues should they arise but that was never a reality here if the goal was to win it all with Jimmy.

Jimmy >>>> Stafford

I member

We weren't grounded in reality? That statement and his story doesn't match either lol

at least we got him to say the truth for a second

Look no further than where a large portion of the cap space goes into. QB's and pass rushers are the highest paid players on the field. Its all about how often and how quickly a defense can generate pressure. It is also about how well QB's handle the pressure. After doing much research, I have found that the elite QB's in the league are better at handling pressure.

I have come up with a formula based on pressure that had me 6-0 in predicting the WC round and 4-0 against the spread in the DP round.

Jimmy has had an average pressure rate of 31.9% in his career and so far Brock has dealt with an average pressure rate of 33.5%. Jimmy has a 37.3% big time play rate, 9.3% turnover worthy play rate and a passer rating of 69.3. Brock has a 40.6% big time play rate, a 3.1% turnover worthy play rate and a passer rating of 88.1. Brock is more likely to make a big play and far less likely to turn the ball over when pressured.

Elite QB should handle pressure as they are elite. But finding Elite QBs before they are elite is secret that no one can find. Not to knock your prediction, but i and a lot of other people didn't need to come up with any formula to get the same results.

This post is not to knock you but it digressed with some of your anecdotes..but now i want to get back to how NC likes to live in a fantasy where you have to have a perfect team and not have the QB pull his own weight. You will get no where trying to wait and build the perfect team to carry the QB the entire way.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
is that jimmy criticism from NC

He's seeing we were right all along in real time Att.

Baby steps

Lol. Right at wanting better QB play? Who didn't want that?

The issue with you guys is you weren't grounded in reality...still had elite expectations for a top 12 QB talent. His output was very consistent, injured or not. Teams have won Superbowls with his production. We just won with a Jimmy-like playoff production with Brock. If you were going go win with a guy like Jimmy, a FO choice, you were going to need a few more parts (e.g. better PP, a CMC-like outlet, defense not collapsing two digit scores late in the 4Q, health, etc.). The goal was always to have a QB who could (hence the move for Trey) help transcend those issues should they arise but that was never a reality here if the goal was to win it all with Jimmy.

Purdy's cowboy performance was very Jimmy-esque. Minus the boneheaded turnovers with a willingness to throw the ball away.

This is a very key point along with JG's inability to create off schedule (another expectation outside of who he is) and inability to stay healthy. Jimmy might give you 2 TD's in an NFCCG, but he'll also give you that 1 INT that'll be untimely and allow a team to get back in the game even while we're up two scores. That's just who he was for us...and oft-injured.

It just makes you appreciate Brock that much more, because he's already proving with Jimmy-like production in a playoff game, he's, 1) Staying healthy, 2) Has the mobility to get himself in positions to throw the ball away or make a play and 3) Not trying to play hero ball and forcing bad-on-bad plays.

Agreed. And Aiyuk needs to fight for that ball at the goal line. I love Aiyuk but that dude needs to step the f**k up in this next game.

Right? I was like, "Why is he already falling to the ground? Stay upright and play the ball in the air and adjust to IT." The defender did a much better job there. In fact, this is reaching a team issue...Kittle, Aiyuk, Jennings, etc. Guys don't adjust well to the balls thrown yet every damn week we see the opposition do just that to us. Crazy acrobatic catches. Frustrating.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
is that jimmy criticism from NC

He's seeing we were right all along in real time Att.

Baby steps

Lol. Right at wanting better QB play? Who didn't want that?

The issue with you guys is you weren't grounded in reality...still had elite expectations for a top 12 QB talent. His output was very consistent, injured or not. Teams have won Superbowls with his production. We just won with a Jimmy-like playoff production with Brock. If you were going go win with a guy like Jimmy, a FO choice, you were going to need a few more parts (e.g. better PP, a CMC-like outlet, defense not collapsing two digit scores late in the 4Q, health, etc.). The goal was always to have a QB who could (hence the move for Trey) help transcend those issues should they arise but that was never a reality here if the goal was to win it all with Jimmy.

Purdy's cowboy performance was very Jimmy-esque. Minus the boneheaded turnovers with a willingness to throw the ball away.

This is a very key point along with JG's inability to create off schedule (another expectation outside of who he is) and inability to stay healthy. Jimmy might give you 2 TD's in an NFCCG, but he'll also give you that 1 INT that'll be untimely and allow a team to get back in the game even while we're up two scores. That's just who he was for us...and oft-injured.

It just makes you appreciate Brock that much more, because he's already proving with Jimmy-like production in a playoff game, he's, 1) Staying healthy, 2) Has the mobility to get himself in positions to throw the ball away or make a play and 3) Not trying to play hero ball and forcing bad-on-bad plays.

Agreed. And Aiyuk needs to fight for that ball at the goal line. I love Aiyuk but that dude needs to step the f**k up in this next game.

Right? I was like, "Why is he already falling to the ground? Stay upright and play the ball in the air and adjust to IT." The defender did a much better job there. In fact, this is reaching a team issue...Kittle, Aiyuk, Jennings, etc. Guys don't adjust well to the balls thrown yet every damn week we see the opposition do just that to us. Crazy acrobatic catches. Frustrating.

watch it again and look at the defender pull on Aiyuk and use BA to jump over him

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
is that jimmy criticism from NC

He's seeing we were right all along in real time Att.

Baby steps

Lol. Right at wanting better QB play? Who didn't want that?

The issue with you guys is you weren't grounded in reality...still had elite expectations for a top 12 QB talent. His output was very consistent, injured or not. Teams have won Superbowls with his production. We just won with a Jimmy-like playoff production with Brock. If you were going go win with a guy like Jimmy, a FO choice, you were going to need a few more parts (e.g. better PP, a CMC-like outlet, defense not collapsing two digit scores late in the 4Q, health, etc.). The goal was always to have a QB who could (hence the move for Trey) help transcend those issues should they arise but that was never a reality here if the goal was to win it all with Jimmy.

Jimmy >>>> Stafford

I member

We weren't grounded in reality? That statement and his story doesn't match either lol

at least we got him to say the truth for a second

Look no further than where a large portion of the cap space goes into. QB's and pass rushers are the highest paid players on the field. Its all about how often and how quickly a defense can generate pressure. It is also about how well QB's handle the pressure. After doing much research, I have found that the elite QB's in the league are better at handling pressure.

I have come up with a formula based on pressure that had me 6-0 in predicting the WC round and 4-0 against the spread in the DP round.

Jimmy has had an average pressure rate of 31.9% in his career and so far Brock has dealt with an average pressure rate of 33.5%. Jimmy has a 37.3% big time play rate, 9.3% turnover worthy play rate and a passer rating of 69.3. Brock has a 40.6% big time play rate, a 3.1% turnover worthy play rate and a passer rating of 88.1. Brock is more likely to make a big play and far less likely to turn the ball over when pressured.

Elite QB should handle pressure as they are elite. But finding Elite QBs before they are elite is secret that no one can find. Not to knock your prediction, but i and a lot of other people didn't need to come up with any formula to get the same results.

This post is not to knock you but it digressed with some of your anecdotes..but now i want to get back to how NC likes to live in a fantasy where you have to have a perfect team and not have the QB pull his own weight. You will get no where trying to wait and build the perfect team to carry the QB the entire way.

So you are 10-0 in playoff predictions this year?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
is that jimmy criticism from NC

He's seeing we were right all along in real time Att.

Baby steps

Lol. Right at wanting better QB play? Who didn't want that?

The issue with you guys is you weren't grounded in reality...still had elite expectations for a top 12 QB talent. His output was very consistent, injured or not. Teams have won Superbowls with his production. We just won with a Jimmy-like playoff production with Brock. If you were going go win with a guy like Jimmy, a FO choice, you were going to need a few more parts (e.g. better PP, a CMC-like outlet, defense not collapsing two digit scores late in the 4Q, health, etc.). The goal was always to have a QB who could (hence the move for Trey) help transcend those issues should they arise but that was never a reality here if the goal was to win it all with Jimmy.

Jimmy >>>> Stafford

I member

We weren't grounded in reality? That statement and his story doesn't match either lol

at least we got him to say the truth for a second

Look no further than where a large portion of the cap space goes into. QB's and pass rushers are the highest paid players on the field. Its all about how often and how quickly a defense can generate pressure. It is also about how well QB's handle the pressure. After doing much research, I have found that the elite QB's in the league are better at handling pressure.

I have come up with a formula based on pressure that had me 6-0 in predicting the WC round and 4-0 against the spread in the DP round.

Jimmy has had an average pressure rate of 31.9% in his career and so far Brock has dealt with an average pressure rate of 33.5%. Jimmy has a 37.3% big time play rate, 9.3% turnover worthy play rate and a passer rating of 69.3. Brock has a 40.6% big time play rate, a 3.1% turnover worthy play rate and a passer rating of 88.1. Brock is more likely to make a big play and far less likely to turn the ball over when pressured.

Absolutely a great take. It's not a full apples to apples comparison d/t the PP and no CMC during his tenure but we can only go by what we have in data to date and I'm very willing to say BCB would still be better overall just based on his mobility skill set, taking to smart safe coaching and poise under pressure. No doubt. I think time will prove that too.

https://fb.watch/ijOaNXxQPB/?mibextid=cr9u03

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
is that jimmy criticism from NC

He's seeing we were right all along in real time Att.

Baby steps

Lol. Right at wanting better QB play? Who didn't want that?

The issue with you guys is you weren't grounded in reality...still had elite expectations for a top 12 QB talent. His output was very consistent, injured or not. Teams have won Superbowls with his production. We just won with a Jimmy-like playoff production with Brock. If you were going go win with a guy like Jimmy, a FO choice, you were going to need a few more parts (e.g. better PP, a CMC-like outlet, defense not collapsing two digit scores late in the 4Q, health, etc.). The goal was always to have a QB who could (hence the move for Trey) help transcend those issues should they arise but that was never a reality here if the goal was to win it all with Jimmy.

Jimmy >>>> Stafford

I member

We weren't grounded in reality? That statement and his story doesn't match either lol

at least we got him to say the truth for a second

Look no further than where a large portion of the cap space goes into. QB's and pass rushers are the highest paid players on the field. Its all about how often and how quickly a defense can generate pressure. It is also about how well QB's handle the pressure. After doing much research, I have found that the elite QB's in the league are better at handling pressure.

I have come up with a formula based on pressure that had me 6-0 in predicting the WC round and 4-0 against the spread in the DP round.

Jimmy has had an average pressure rate of 31.9% in his career and so far Brock has dealt with an average pressure rate of 33.5%. Jimmy has a 37.3% big time play rate, 9.3% turnover worthy play rate and a passer rating of 69.3. Brock has a 40.6% big time play rate, a 3.1% turnover worthy play rate and a passer rating of 88.1. Brock is more likely to make a big play and far less likely to turn the ball over when pressured.

Elite QB should handle pressure as they are elite. But finding Elite QBs before they are elite is secret that no one can find. Not to knock your prediction, but i and a lot of other people didn't need to come up with any formula to get the same results.

This post is not to knock you but it digressed with some of your anecdotes..but now i want to get back to how NC likes to live in a fantasy where you have to have a perfect team and not have the QB pull his own weight. You will get no where trying to wait and build the perfect team to carry the QB the entire way.

So you are 10-0 in playoff predictions this year?

Haha. It's still a game won/lost in the trenches and the ability to perform under or manufacture high pressure. I'll stick to your formula.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
watch it again and look at the defender pull on Aiyuk and use BA to jump over him

I will and let you know.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
watch it again and look at the defender pull on Aiyuk and use BA to jump over him

I will and let you know.

The defender did get his arms around Aiyuk to break up the pass but a top WR comes down with that catch.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
We weren't grounded in reality? That statement and his story doesn't match either lol

at least we got him to say the truth for a second

Here's an example.

Let's say we go to Philly this weekend and Trent Williams is playing on one leg, Brunskill is at RG the full game (who was playing poorly going in to that game IIRC) and Tom Compton was starting at RT. CMC is on injured reserve.

Do you still feel good about winning a 3 point game?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
watch it again and look at the defender pull on Aiyuk and use BA to jump over him

I will and let you know.

The defender did get his arms around Aiyuk to break up the pass but a top WR comes down with that catch.

Was it a matter of not playing the ball in the air to begin with, not positioning himself between the ball and the defender as it arrived, etc.?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
watch it again and look at the defender pull on Aiyuk and use BA to jump over him

I will and let you know.

The defender did get his arms around Aiyuk to break up the pass but a top WR comes down with that catch.

Was it a matter of not playing the ball in the air to begin with, not positioning himself between the ball and the defender as it arrived, etc.?

First off, Purdy could have thrown a better placed ball. But Aiyuk was in good position as the ball was slightly in front of him and the defender was coming from behind. We can say that the defender did a good job getting his hands in there. But we can also say that Aiyuk should have made a better effort to fight for that ball.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
watch it again and look at the defender pull on Aiyuk and use BA to jump over him

I will and let you know.

The defender did get his arms around Aiyuk to break up the pass but a top WR comes down with that catch.

In real time I thought the same thing, but on replay the DB hit him early in the back and essentially used him to push himself up and BA down