49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
We weren't grounded in reality? That statement and his story doesn't match either lol

at least we got him to say the truth for a second

Here's an example.

Let's say we go to Philly this weekend and Trent Williams is playing on one leg, Brunskill is at RG the full game (who was playing poorly going in to that game IIRC) and Tom Compton was starting at RT. CMC is on injured reserve.

Do you still feel good about winning a 3 point game?

We were winning until they run blitzed every snap out of desperation. Doing that left open multiple receiving options that we just not thrown to

how can you knock the injured OL that gave everything the had to give the team a chances to win

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
watch it again and look at the defender pull on Aiyuk and use BA to jump over him

I will and let you know.

The defender did get his arms around Aiyuk to break up the pass but a top WR comes down with that catch.

Was it a matter of not playing the ball in the air to begin with, not positioning himself between the ball and the defender as it arrived, etc.?

First off, Purdy could have thrown a better placed ball. But Aiyuk was in good position as the ball was slightly in front of him and the defender was coming from behind. We can say that the defender did a good job getting his hands in there. But we can also say that Aiyuk should have made a better effort to fight for that ball.

Ah, just watched it. 7:22 game mark of the 1Q.

First, that was one long ass developing play (nearly 6s)! Second, I paused just before the ball arrived when both are looking back to the ball and the defender is already leaping above Aiyuk to make a play on the ball while Aiyuk's knees are buckling for no apparent reason. Third, just as the ball arrives, the defender is square to the ball, both hands up for the catch and Aiyuk is sideways reaching back up for ball below the defender playing DB with his left arm. Finally, it was Aiyuk who knocked it away from an INT.

But had he adjusted to the ball timely like the defender initially did, he could have positioned himself much better between the ball and defender, squared up and either made the catch or forced a P.I. There was no reason to buckle there, IMHO.

But that's just my reality. Haha.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
We weren't grounded in reality? That statement and his story doesn't match either lol

at least we got him to say the truth for a second

Here's an example.

Let's say we go to Philly this weekend and Trent Williams is playing on one leg, Brunskill is at RG the full game (who was playing poorly going in to that game IIRC) and Tom Compton was starting at RT. CMC is on injured reserve.

Do you still feel good about winning a 3 point game?

We were winning until they run blitzed every snap out of desperation. Doing that left open multiple receiving options that we just not thrown to

how can you knock the injured OL that gave everything the had to give the team a chances to win

Answer the question.

PS: That's also not a knock on the OL or QB. It was just a reality.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
In real time I thought the same thing, but on replay the DB hit him early in the back and essentially used him to push himself up and BA down

I disagree. He played the ball the entire time. In fact, BOTH his arms were up above Aiyuk playing the ball 100%. He didn't even 'play through him.'

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
In real time I thought the same thing, but on replay the DB hit him early in the back and essentially used him to push himself up and BA down

I disagree. He played the ball the entire time. In fact, BOTH his arms were up above Aiyuk playing the ball 100%. He didn't even 'play through him.'

so you want to ignore the bump, pull and leverage before the DB can play the ball.. ?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
is that jimmy criticism from NC

He's seeing we were right all along in real time Att.

Baby steps

Lol. Right at wanting better QB play? Who didn't want that?

The issue with you guys is you weren't grounded in reality...still had elite expectations for a top 12 QB talent. His output was very consistent, injured or not. Teams have won Superbowls with his production. We just won with a Jimmy-like playoff production with Brock. If you were going go win with a guy like Jimmy, a FO choice, you were going to need a few more parts (e.g. better PP, a CMC-like outlet, defense not collapsing two digit scores late in the 4Q, health, etc.). The goal was always to have a QB who could (hence the move for Trey) help transcend those issues should they arise but that was never a reality here if the goal was to win it all with Jimmy.

Jimmy >>>> Stafford

I member

We weren't grounded in reality? That statement and his story doesn't match either lol

at least we got him to say the truth for a second

Look no further than where a large portion of the cap space goes into. QB's and pass rushers are the highest paid players on the field. Its all about how often and how quickly a defense can generate pressure. It is also about how well QB's handle the pressure. After doing much research, I have found that the elite QB's in the league are better at handling pressure.

I have come up with a formula based on pressure that had me 6-0 in predicting the WC round and 4-0 against the spread in the DP round.

Jimmy has had an average pressure rate of 31.9% in his career and so far Brock has dealt with an average pressure rate of 33.5%. Jimmy has a 37.3% big time play rate, 9.3% turnover worthy play rate and a passer rating of 69.3. Brock has a 40.6% big time play rate, a 3.1% turnover worthy play rate and a passer rating of 88.1. Brock is more likely to make a big play and far less likely to turn the ball over when pressured.

Elite QB should handle pressure as they are elite. But finding Elite QBs before they are elite is secret that no one can find. Not to knock your prediction, but i and a lot of other people didn't need to come up with any formula to get the same results.

This post is not to knock you but it digressed with some of your anecdotes..but now i want to get back to how NC likes to live in a fantasy where you have to have a perfect team and not have the QB pull his own weight. You will get no where trying to wait and build the perfect team to carry the QB the entire way.

Haha..remember when the perfect team was Tampa just a couple seasons ago?

Yea,...we needed to carbon copy everything Tampa was doing on offense.

Then after last year ended, it was the Rams! The Rams were the ones that had this team/OL formation thing on lock!!

Well where the heck are they now, and are you seeing a pattern here?

If the Eagles beat us, they will assumedly become the standard and questions will be repeated all off-season asking why weren't we doing what they are doing years ago.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
is that jimmy criticism from NC

He's seeing we were right all along in real time Att.

Baby steps

Lol. Right at wanting better QB play? Who didn't want that?

The issue with you guys is you weren't grounded in reality...still had elite expectations for a top 12 QB talent. His output was very consistent, injured or not. Teams have won Superbowls with his production. We just won with a Jimmy-like playoff production with Brock. If you were going go win with a guy like Jimmy, a FO choice, you were going to need a few more parts (e.g. better PP, a CMC-like outlet, defense not collapsing two digit scores late in the 4Q, health, etc.). The goal was always to have a QB who could (hence the move for Trey) help transcend those issues should they arise but that was never a reality here if the goal was to win it all with Jimmy.

Jimmy >>>> Stafford

I member

We weren't grounded in reality? That statement and his story doesn't match either lol

at least we got him to say the truth for a second

Look no further than where a large portion of the cap space goes into. QB's and pass rushers are the highest paid players on the field. Its all about how often and how quickly a defense can generate pressure. It is also about how well QB's handle the pressure. After doing much research, I have found that the elite QB's in the league are better at handling pressure.

I have come up with a formula based on pressure that had me 6-0 in predicting the WC round and 4-0 against the spread in the DP round.

Jimmy has had an average pressure rate of 31.9% in his career and so far Brock has dealt with an average pressure rate of 33.5%. Jimmy has a 37.3% big time play rate, 9.3% turnover worthy play rate and a passer rating of 69.3. Brock has a 40.6% big time play rate, a 3.1% turnover worthy play rate and a passer rating of 88.1. Brock is more likely to make a big play and far less likely to turn the ball over when pressured.

Elite QB should handle pressure as they are elite. But finding Elite QBs before they are elite is secret that no one can find. Not to knock your prediction, but i and a lot of other people didn't need to come up with any formula to get the same results.

This post is not to knock you but it digressed with some of your anecdotes..but now i want to get back to how NC likes to live in a fantasy where you have to have a perfect team and not have the QB pull his own weight. You will get no where trying to wait and build the perfect team to carry the QB the entire way.

Haha..remember when the perfect team was Tampa just a couple seasons ago?

Yea,...we needed to carbon copy everything Tampa was doing on offense.

Then after last year ended, it was the Rams! The Rams were the ones that had this team/OL formation thing on lock!!

Well where the heck are they now, and are you seeing a pattern here?

If the Eagles beat us, they will assumedly become the standard and questions will be repeated all off-season asking why weren't we doing what they are doing years ago.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

Well too bad for him because we are winning the SB this year and with a rookie QB to boot.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
We weren't grounded in reality? That statement and his story doesn't match either lol

at least we got him to say the truth for a second

Here's an example.

Let's say we go to Philly this weekend and Trent Williams is playing on one leg, Brunskill is at RG the full game (who was playing poorly going in to that game IIRC) and Tom Compton was starting at RT. CMC is on injured reserve.

Do you still feel good about winning a 3 point game?

We were winning until they run blitzed every snap out of desperation. Doing that left open multiple receiving options that we just not thrown to

how can you knock the injured OL that gave everything the had to give the team a chances to win

Answer the question.

PS: That's also not a knock on the OL or QB. It was just a reality.

how is it not a knock.. when you are trying add very specific details similar to last year ?

Also, it depends on the QB, i feel better with Brock apposed to last years QB

Originally posted by NCommand:
Here's an example.

Let's say we go to Philly this weekend and Trent Williams is playing on one leg, Brunskill is at RG the full game (who was playing poorly going in to that game IIRC) and Tom Compton was starting at RT. CMC is on injured reserve.

Do you still feel good about winning a 3 point game?

Does Purdy get 3.73 seconds of protection coupled with the Eagles only scoring 20?

If so I absolutely do.

Thank god Juice and the boys told Shanny to get his head out of his ass.

A game this evenly matched will come down to coaching. Kyle needs to have this team well prepared and an excellent game plan.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Thank god Juice and the boys told Shanny to get his head out of his ass.

I posted stats prior to the game that showed Cowboys were best in the league against pre snap motion. And it showed on Sunday. Most likely due to Quinn being very familiar with it.

I was surprised that it was Juice and players that made Kyle go away from it. You'd think the coaching staff would have known that about he cowboys going into the game.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Thank god Juice and the boys told Shanny to get his head out of his ass.

I posted stats prior to the game that showed Cowboys were best in the league against pre snap motion. And it showed on Sunday. Most likely due to Quinn being very familiar with it.

I was surprised that it was Juice and players that made Kyle go away from it. You'd think the coaching staff would have known that about he cowboys going into the game.

Where did you guys hear this? Just curious.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Thank god Juice and the boys told Shanny to get his head out of his ass.

I'd love for them to come out that way first and then switch to the complex run game.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Thank god Juice and the boys told Shanny to get his head out of his ass.

I posted stats prior to the game that showed Cowboys were best in the league against pre snap motion. And it showed on Sunday. Most likely due to Quinn being very familiar with it.

I was surprised that it was Juice and players that made Kyle go away from it. You'd think the coaching staff would have known that about he cowboys going into the game.

Where did you guys hear this? Just curious.

Same! This has been my bugaboo with Kyle for the past few years. When the run isn't working. The playaction in turn isn't working. The motions in turn isn't working. He usually continues to hit his head on the brick wall. He didn't this game and now someone is posting why.

Would also Like to see where this is coming from