49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Kyle is the Jimmy Garoppolo of HC's...can go on a great winning roll, plays best when his back is against the wall, can roll up elite stats, and play with the best of them. But in the moments you need him most, he's not quite the guy to get you over the hump and it's 100% mental.

I still believe you can win a Superbowl with both under the right circumstances though. I still believe in Kyle. But sometimes he needs to be saved from himself and his blinders-focus on play calling.

Totally disagree. the game was over after the 6th play of the game, there's no one to blame at that point imo. He's been handicapped at the most important position in sports. Go look at all the great HCs and when they had real success. They often had HOF QBs. Kyle's winning (a lot) with avg QB play and tossing in the 262 pick in the draft. that's real coaching imo. That can only get you so far (hence going all in on Lance).

He's not gonna win multiple SB's with the QBs we've had. You can't consistently win SBs with an avg QB. The league is built differently now. You gotta beat multiple elite guys deep in the playoffs. I have no idea what Brock is and I'm not willing to bet my house he's gonna become one of those elite guys. I got no idea what Lance is either…imo you gotta figure that s**t out though.

Except every one of those QB's were handpicked by him. He's the GM here as well.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
when you go to the dictionary and look up Loser, you see Kyle's face

Oxford also gets to save some money because they get to use the same picture under choker.

Not shocked you don't know what loser means.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
The amount of fan that are just satisfied with being in the playoffs…………making the run.
just reminds me of how old I am.

it took around 25 years to lower the expectations of the fanbase.

How about you realize the league ain't the same. It's built off having an elite QB now. Ya'll think Brock or Jimmy are "good enough" but in reality if you don't have an elite QB you win NOT be riding to the SB every yr.

people not realizing how hard it is to win in the NFL is what is laughable. Then trying toss out some trash takes about how it's just the coach lol. Ungrateful fan base is all I see from a handful of you

Brock played like an elite QB, as a rookie. I don't know whether he maintains and builds upon that. But he played better than good enough. I regret our season ended without a proper shot at that game. Sometimes just flat out bad luck wins the day.

He ran a great offense that made everything easier for him. Yes he extended some plays and made stuff happened. I still don't really see any real elite traits.

his internal clock seemed to slow down later in the season, he's been holding onto the ball a little longer imo. Greg Olsen was talking about it when he got hit. Said it was showing up on film…it was bad luck regardless. Didn't even have a chance to watch a good game .

I'm not willing to say Brock is the dude that can compete vs the elite QBs. That's just my opinion on it

I think the game is slowing down for Brock and he is looking for bigger gains.

I am sure this is part of the growing process, knowing when you need the ball out and when you can hold it for a larger gain. He is not the first rookie QB that had to adapt to the NFL.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Kyle is the Jimmy Garoppolo of HC's...can go on a great winning roll, plays best when his back is against the wall, can roll up elite stats, and play with the best of them. But in the moments you need him most, he's not quite the guy to get you over the hump and it's 100% mental.

I still believe you can win a Superbowl with both under the right circumstances though. I still believe in Kyle. But sometimes he needs to be saved from himself and his blinders-focus on play calling.

This is horse-s**t. Maybe two or three teams would not swap their HC for Kyle. He's elite. He'll get his chips, hopefully with us if our boneheaded fans don't run him out of town for the next Dennis Erickson or Mike Nolan. Jimmy is a middle of the pack QB at his best.

He's above average. Top 5ish. Not elite yet.

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Kyle is the Jimmy Garoppolo of HC's...can go on a great winning roll, plays best when his back is against the wall, can roll up elite stats, and play with the best of them. But in the moments you need him most, he's not quite the guy to get you over the hump and it's 100% mental.

I still believe you can win a Superbowl with both under the right circumstances though. I still believe in Kyle. But sometimes he needs to be saved from himself and his blinders-focus on play calling.

We cannot possibly put this game on Kyle. That's just ludacris. He did blow the non-challenge. Not sure what happened there. Other than that, so many things could have happened if Brock didn't go down. It was truly a circus at that point. Maybe we go into the half down 7. Maybe its tied up. Maybe we go into the half down 14. I have no idea, but I do know the Niners would have gotten the ball at half and are a great second half team. I do know the defense was playing great and shutting down Philly for a few drives during the 2nd quarter. Maybe Purdy rises above and completes a 2nd half comeback. Maybe Kyle outcoaches Siriani in the 2nd half. We've seen it before. But we were all robbed of any significant storyline happening. The 31-7 score and stat line is not indicative of what would have happened if all things were equal.

It's crazy to compare this loss to any of his other big game losses. I think he would have won yesterday. I truly do. Just as I still think Lance would have been great this year had he not get injured. The game was horribly pushed off its axis that no coach could overcome. I feel Kyle was ready to outcoach Siriani, then the entire team was punched in the face with Brock's injury while trying to navigate a completely inept Josh Johnson. Just crazy

The NFL kind of f**ked up not getting the best camera angle on the play before they snapped. In retrospect, Kyle should have called a time-out. It's crazy to think that a TO would potentially changed everything. We get the ball after the failed 4th down. The circumstances of Purdy's injury don't happen. Who knows what happens from there? I don't really blame Kyle, but it's easy to see in retrospect what should have been done. In the moment it's a tough decision. Wish the NFL supplied that replay sooner.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Kyle is the Jimmy Garoppolo of HC's...can go on a great winning roll, plays best when his back is against the wall, can roll up elite stats, and play with the best of them. But in the moments you need him most, he's not quite the guy to get you over the hump and it's 100% mental.

I still believe you can win a Superbowl with both under the right circumstances though. I still believe in Kyle. But sometimes he needs to be saved from himself and his blinders-focus on play calling.

We cannot possibly put this game on Kyle. That's just ludacris. He did blow the non-challenge. Not sure what happened there. Other than that, so many things could have happened if Brock didn't go down. It was truly a circus at that point. Maybe we go into the half down 7. Maybe its tied up. Maybe we go into the half down 14. I have no idea, but I do know the Niners would have gotten the ball at half and are a great second half team. I do know the defense was playing great and shutting down Philly for a few drives during the 2nd quarter. Maybe Purdy rises above and completes a 2nd half comeback. Maybe Kyle outcoaches Siriani in the 2nd half. We've seen it before. But we were all robbed of any significant storyline happening. The 31-7 score and stat line is not indicative of what would have happened if all things were equal.

It's crazy to compare this loss to any of his other big game losses. I think he would have won yesterday. I truly do. Just as I still think Lance would have been great this year had he not get injured. The game was horribly pushed off its axis that no coach could overcome. I feel Kyle was ready to outcoach Siriani, then the entire team was punched in the face with Brock's injury while trying to navigate a completely inept Josh Johnson. Just crazy

The NFL kind of f**ked up not getting the best camera angle on the play before they snapped. In retrospect, Kyle should have called a time-out. It's crazy to think that a TO would potentially changed everything. We get the ball after the failed 4th down. The circumstances of Purdy's injury don't happen. Who knows what happens from there? I don't really blame Kyle, but it's easy to see in retrospect what should have been done. In the moment it's a tough decision. Wish the NFL supplied that replay sooner.

I wonder if Kyle had thrown the flag to buy time for a more thorough review, if he would have gotten that challenge back once the NFL FO got the camera angle in. Either way, he would have won the challenge.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He ran a great offense that made everything easier for him. Yes he extended some plays and made stuff happened. I still don't really see any real elite traits.

his internal clock seemed to slow down later in the season, he's been holding onto the ball a little longer imo. Greg Olsen was talking about it when he got hit. Said it was showing up on film…it was bad luck regardless. Didn't even have a chance to watch a good game .

I'm not willing to say Brock is the dude that can compete vs the elite QBs. That's just my opinion on it

Oddly enough, it's the pressure from the right side that he seems most blind too.

The fact that devonte Smith was rushing the offense to snap the ball should have been enough evidence to throw the challenge.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
The amount of fan that are just satisfied with being in the playoffs…………making the run.
just reminds me of how old I am.

it took around 25 years to lower the expectations of the fanbase.

How about you realize the league ain't the same. It's built off having an elite QB now. Ya'll think Brock or Jimmy are "good enough" but in reality if you don't have an elite QB you win NOT be riding to the SB every yr.

people not realizing how hard it is to win in the NFL is what is laughable. Then trying toss out some trash takes about how it's just the coach lol. Ungrateful fan base is all I see from a handful of you

Brock played like an elite QB, as a rookie. I don't know whether he maintains and builds upon that. But he played better than good enough. I regret our season ended without a proper shot at that game. Sometimes just flat out bad luck wins the day.

He ran a great offense that made everything easier for him. Yes he extended some plays and made stuff happened. I still don't really see any real elite traits.

his internal clock seemed to slow down later in the season, he's been holding onto the ball a little longer imo. Greg Olsen was talking about it when he got hit. Said it was showing up on film…it was bad luck regardless. Didn't even have a chance to watch a good game .

I'm not willing to say Brock is the dude that can compete vs the elite QBs. That's just my opinion on it

First off, Greg Olsen is a f**king caveman with a pudding brain.

Secondly, and I'm a huge proponent of this offense, but I don't think just any good enough QB can come in and do what Brock did (regardless of being a rookie). The story is really early in Brock, but all he's done is be at the top of the league in key stats since starting. I don't care what that Neanderthal Olsen says, Brock is has shown elite processing traits, elite decision making traits, elite accuracy traits, and elite improvisation traits. Like I said, who knows if that continues or if it was just a flash in the pan, but how you cannot see elite potential after a strorybook start is beyond me. Between he and Trey, I'm optimistic we have our QB if the future.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Kyle is the Jimmy Garoppolo of HC's...can go on a great winning roll, plays best when his back is against the wall, can roll up elite stats, and play with the best of them. But in the moments you need him most, he's not quite the guy to get you over the hump and it's 100% mental.

I still believe you can win a Superbowl with both under the right circumstances though. I still believe in Kyle. But sometimes he needs to be saved from himself and his blinders-focus on play calling.

This is horse-s**t. Maybe two or three teams would not swap their HC for Kyle. He's elite. He'll get his chips, hopefully with us if our boneheaded fans don't run him out of town for the next Dennis Erickson or Mike Nolan. Jimmy is a middle of the pack QB at his best.

He's above average. Top 5ish. Not elite yet.

So better than the Jimmy-G of coaches.

Originally posted by NCommand:
We got there with Jimmy too. Now, if he breaks through one day and gets us beyond the top 4-5 teams, I have a feeling he'll start going on a roll. He just needs to mentally break through, IMHO.

Doesn't matter that "we got there with Jimmy too." Jimmy's playoff runs were very underwhelming.

Purdy played well this playoff run until he could no longer feel his hand. This is not some kind of injury that suddenly suggests Jimmy is the teams QB of the future or anything. Not sure why this narrative is trying to be built. He's never played @ Purdy's level in the 5+ yrs he's been here.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Kyle is the Jimmy Garoppolo of HC's...can go on a great winning roll, plays best when his back is against the wall, can roll up elite stats, and play with the best of them. But in the moments you need him most, he's not quite the guy to get you over the hump and it's 100% mental.

I still believe you can win a Superbowl with both under the right circumstances though. I still believe in Kyle. But sometimes he needs to be saved from himself and his blinders-focus on play calling.

This is horse-s**t. Maybe two or three teams would not swap their HC for Kyle. He's elite. He'll get his chips, hopefully with us if our boneheaded fans don't run him out of town for the next Dennis Erickson or Mike Nolan. Jimmy is a middle of the pack QB at his best.

He's above average. Top 5ish. Not elite yet.

So better than the Jimmy-G of coaches.

That was more of the mental block aspect reference. When needed most. But yes, in straight talent, Kyle is 5ish in talent/ceiling and Jimmy is 12ish, TBF.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
We got there with Jimmy too. Now, if he breaks through one day and gets us beyond the top 4-5 teams, I have a feeling he'll start going on a roll. He just needs to mentally break through, IMHO.

Doesn't matter that "we got there with Jimmy too." Jimmy's playoff runs were very underwhelming.

Purdy played well this playoff run until he could no longer feel his hand. This is not some kind of injury that suddenly suggests Jimmy is the teams QB of the future or anything. Not sure why this narrative is trying to be built. He's never played @ Purdy's level in the 5+ yrs he's been here.

Now who is trying to build a narrative?

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Kyle is the Jimmy Garoppolo of HC's...can go on a great winning roll, plays best when his back is against the wall, can roll up elite stats, and play with the best of them. But in the moments you need him most, he's not quite the guy to get you over the hump and it's 100% mental.

I still believe you can win a Superbowl with both under the right circumstances though. I still believe in Kyle. But sometimes he needs to be saved from himself and his blinders-focus on play calling.

This is horse-s**t. Maybe two or three teams would not swap their HC for Kyle. He's elite. He'll get his chips, hopefully with us if our boneheaded fans don't run him out of town for the next Dennis Erickson or Mike Nolan. Jimmy is a middle of the pack QB at his best.

He's above average. Top 5ish. Not elite yet.

So better than the Jimmy-G of coaches.

Insanely better. That was just a hairbrain comment.

Originally posted by Jcool:
Now who is trying to build a narrative?

Brock Purdy vs. Jimmy Garoppolo:

PFF passing grade: Purdy (69.0), Jimmy G (69.5)
Passer rating: Purdy (103.1), Jimmy G (103.0)
Yards per attempt: Purdy (7.9), Jimmy G (7.9)
Completion rate: Purdy (67.2%), Jimmy G (67.1%)

— Ian Hartitz (@Ihartitz) December 27, 2022

Jimmy's NEVER played @ Purdy's level during his tenure here. Their levels of play are night and day. This was magnified in the playoff games. The best Jimmy's ever looked in the playoffs for a sustained period of time is "incapable."