49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by NCommand:
Kyle is the Jimmy Garoppolo of HC's...can go on a great winning roll, plays best when his back is against the wall, can roll up elite stats, and play with the best of them. But in the moments you need him most, he's not quite the guy to get you over the hump and it's 100% mental.

I still believe you can win a Superbowl with both under the right circumstances though. I still believe in Kyle. But sometimes he needs to be saved from himself and his blinders-focus on play calling.

Kyle is still a young coach compared to Walsh, Reid, and Bellichick. He needs a Hall of Fame QB to win a Superbowl. He may have found two promising individuals this year.

As for the gameplan against the Eagles, he was too aggressive when patience and the run game was needed in this case. The Washington Commanders approach should have indicated what Kyle needed to do from a strategic point of view. The run game and short passes should have been the norm. Instead Kyle decides to gamble (a la New York - going on 4th down) and risk his QB on a longer developing play.

Its a lesson learned. Is he confident or arrogant? In the Dallas game he was confident, because they won. In the Eagles game, he was arrogant because he lost his QB and lost the Game. He is a genius playcaller, and sometimes its a genius move to be more patient than arrogant.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Let's move to a more productive conversation.

What does Kyle/Lynch need to do NOW to get us over the hump for next year? They're obviously close.

Keep Purdy or Lance healthy.

The end.

So, basically invest more in the OL.

That's about it, IMO.

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Originally posted by NCommand:
Let's move to a more productive conversation.

What does Kyle/Lynch need to do NOW to get us over the hump for next year? They're obviously close.

You're inferring that not enough was done this year. Injuries are injuries. There's no magical ingredient that was missing this year that should be sought out this year. It's just fairy-tale talk and unproductive.

Improving the team, however? Of course. They're always working towards that, which is why we're among the most talented rosters in the league.

Originally posted by picklejuice:
I'm looking forward to what Kyle can do with an offseason with Purdy. We were basically running the "Jimmy G" offense with Purdy. Let's see what we can do with a playbook full of plays that Purdy likes.

This.

I don't get the idea that this has to be Purdy's ceiling. He didn't get one offseason snap as a potential starting QB. Yet, as a rookie, he outplayed a vet like Garoppolo.

He can be even better next year.

So can Lance.

This is a good situation to have.

Yes, they'll bring in a 3rd guy. But it would be unrealistic to expect to have 3 viable QBs again next year. Gotta keep whoever the starter is between Purdy and Lance healthy next year. That's priority #1.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Let's move to a more productive conversation.

What does Kyle/Lynch need to do NOW to get us over the hump for next year? They're obviously close.

still a QB away

Fair. Anything else?

what else is there to get us over the hump?

Originally posted by Giedi:
Kyle is still a young coach compared to Walsh, Reid, and Bellichick. He needs a Hall of Fame QB to win a Superbowl. He may have found two promising individuals this year.

Garoppolo was 1 completed pass away from winning a SB and he's far from a HOF QB.

Purdy if healthy certainly was on track to perhaps do the same.
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What we've seen on the field just doesn't match what you're suggesting.

There was no arrogance here. Our 3rd and last QB just got hurt as the game began.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Let's move to a more productive conversation.

What does Kyle/Lynch need to do NOW to get us over the hump for next year? They're obviously close.

Replace, Kinlaw, Glinch, Burford, Brendel and find another CB since I'm not confident In Moseley being able to stay healthy.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Let's move to a more productive conversation.

What does Kyle/Lynch need to do NOW to get us over the hump for next year? They're obviously close.

There's room for improvement in the trenches on both sides, but what the 49ers really need is big growth from some of their young players ie Drake Jackson, Danny Gray, Spencer Burford, TREY LANCE.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Let's move to a more productive conversation.

What does Kyle/Lynch need to do NOW to get us over the hump for next year? They're obviously close.

Originally posted by picklejuice:
I'm looking forward to what Kyle can do with an offseason with Purdy. We were basically running the "Jimmy G" offense with Purdy. Let's see what we can do with a playbook full of plays that Purdy likes.

I think the offense becomes more vertical with Purdy's ability to hit deeper passes than Jimmy. Also his mobility is an asset on those longer passes too.

I think Kyle has to add the scramble drill to the offense to take advantage of Purdy's mobility. Consequently i think Kyle will go with bigger OLinemen who can hold their pass blocking better. He will still have the QB boot passes, but he may to more towards a more explosive and faster WR corps vs a YAC WRs.

All in all, I don't expect really huge changes, more like tweaks to his current offense right now. What I do think is that he will reevaluate everything about QB protection in the offseason, since that was what stopped them in the NFCCG these past couple of times. (Jimmy's shoulder and Brock's arm). The other reason is he may have found his Kurt Warner for his offense.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Let's move to a more productive conversation.

What does Kyle/Lynch need to do NOW to get us over the hump for next year? They're obviously close.

Replace, Kinlaw, Glinch, Burford, Brendel and find another CB since I'm not confident In Moseley being able to stay healthy.

did you read his post, it's getting us over the hump. removing players will not do that

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
what else is there to get us over the hump?

Lol there is no hump. It's all a part of that imaginary "I know better than the GM and the coach" stuff. If our top 3 QBs get hurt again next year I'll expect a worse outcome, regardless of what great moves we make in the draft and FA.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Let's move to a more productive conversation.

What does Kyle/Lynch need to do NOW to get us over the hump for next year? They're obviously close.

There's room for improvement in the trenches on both sides, but what the 49ers really need is big growth from some of their young players ie Drake Jackson, Danny Gray, Spencer Burford, TREY LANCE.

I think they can grow. They have the athleticism to do it. The offseason strength program will be important. Also continuing to draft well and acquire good UDFA and good under valued veterans (i.e. Brendel, Ray Ray) will be very important. They will lose a lot of free agents to bottom feeding teams this offseason and I also consider Demeco gone, so his new DC will be an important hire.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Kyle is the Jimmy Garoppolo of HC's...can go on a great winning roll, plays best when his back is against the wall, can roll up elite stats, and play with the best of them. But in the moments you need him most, he's not quite the guy to get you over the hump and it's 100% mental.

I still believe you can win a Superbowl with both under the right circumstances though. I still believe in Kyle. But sometimes he needs to be saved from himself and his blinders-focus on play calling.

Kyle is still a young coach compared to Walsh, Reid, and Bellichick. He needs a Hall of Fame QB to win a Superbowl. He may have found two promising individuals this year.

As for the gameplan against the Eagles, he was too aggressive when patience and the run game was needed in this case. The Washington Commanders approach should have indicated what Kyle needed to do from a strategic point of view. The run game and short passes should have been the norm. Instead Kyle decides to gamble (a la New York - going on 4th down) and risk his QB on a longer developing play.

Its a lesson learned. Is he confident or arrogant? In the Dallas game he was confident, because they won. In the Eagles game, he was arrogant because he lost his QB and lost the Game. He is a genius playcaller, and sometimes its a genius move to be more patient than arrogant.

Win = confident
Lose = arrogant

Don't understand that at all.

See this hindsight response so often. Just run the ball like it's the answer to everything. We weren't running the ball well to start the game. If you think a bunch of 3 and outs is a way to go then I don't know what to tell you.

The point of a long developing play was an attempt to force the Eagles to think twice about stacking the box and focusing on the run so much.

It was so we could run the ball, not instead of running the ball.

Any team that gets one dimensional is more than likely going to lose so this whole "just run the ball" mantra in hindsight when that's what Philly was clearly prepared for is not the magic pill so many want it to be.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Let's move to a more productive conversation.

What does Kyle/Lynch need to do NOW to get us over the hump for next year? They're obviously close.

Replace, Kinlaw, Glinch, Burford, Brendel and find another CB since I'm not confident In Moseley being able to stay healthy.

did you read his post, it's getting us over the hump. removing players will not do that

Brendel and Burford should be backups.

Glinch and Kinlaw should be gone.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Let's move to a more productive conversation.

What does Kyle/Lynch need to do NOW to get us over the hump for next year? They're obviously close.

Replace, Kinlaw, Glinch, Burford, Brendel and find another CB since I'm not confident In Moseley being able to stay healthy.

did you read his post, it's getting us over the hump. removing players will not do that

Brendel and Burford should be backups.

Glinch and Kinlaw should be gone.

Who do you replace McGlinchey with?