49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

when you go to the dictionary and look up Loser, you see Kyle's face

Oxford also gets to save some money because they get to use the same picture under choker.

I'll get banned saying what I see from this post

Dont get lured in to the trap. Just let his post speak dumb for itself.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Let's move to a more productive conversation.

What does Kyle/Lynch need to do NOW to get us over the hump for next year? They're obviously close.

Replace, Kinlaw, Glinch, Burford, Brendel and find another CB since I'm not confident In Moseley being able to stay healthy.

did you read his post, it's getting us over the hump. removing players will not do that

Brendel and Burford should be backups.

Glinch and Kinlaw should be gone.

do you still not understand, They are good enough to get us to the NFCCG, who is replacing them to get us a SB,.. anyone ?

Kinlaw didn't do a thing to help us get to the NFCCG, other that get tosses aside.

JG also helped us reach the super bowl In 2019, but we still replaced him, because he was the weak link.

ok your logic is just removing those players and not replace them with anyone.. great strategy lol

How do I know who'll be available on free agency? Lol the season hasn't even officially ended yet.

You do realise that 3 players from the OL that helped us reach the NFCCG last season we're replaced this season? Lol

how do you know? There are sites for free agency, draft class all this info.. but you don't know. If you don't know why even say anything lol

Originally posted by Giedi:
I'm fully expecting Kyle to get a 3rd QB now to play behind Trey and Brock.

They'll bring in at least a 3rd and 4th QB if for nothing else than having more guys in camp. They always do. Whether one of them sticks to the active roster is another story, but Shanahan has usually kept 3 on it.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I saw some people complaining that Kyle always gets his QBs hurt. For the record, 5 other teams had to play 4 different QBs this season. Not all were because of injuries but several were.

ShanaLynch did a good job keeping the rest of the team relatively healthy, hopefully he can figure out how to keep his QBs healthy.

Its a violent sport, and I agree. But if he can find a way to reduce or eliminate those injuries, he'll have an advantage over the rest of the NFL. The talent is so evenly spread out that one or two injuries will end your teams season. I'm fully expecting Kyle to get a 3rd QB now to play behind Trey and Brock.

The QBs gotta take care of themselves all the same. Internal clock, running/sliding, throwing the ball away, pocket presence etc etc.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Giedi:
In the future, Kyle should be more cautious in calling aggressive long developing pass plays against a defense that has such ferocious pass rushers. As for the run game not working, that was *expected* as Washington's run game was averaging less than 3.2 yards per play. It was basically (I think) 6 plays before Brock got injured. Kyle just got impatient in my opinion. There is a difference - as I said - between confidence and arrogance, and that is impatience.

Calling 3 pass plays and 3 run plays is not being impatient, or arrogant. That's not even enough plays to establish what the tempo of the game even is. It's barely a third of the scripted plays.

And oh, by the way, Brock was 2-for-2 on his first two pass attempts, so it was working.

Did it have to be a play action pass? It could have been a three step slant pattern. In other words, he was going for a Knock Out, when he should have kept his jab and guard up and continue to hit the body.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Kyle is the Jimmy Garoppolo of HC's...can go on a great winning roll, plays best when his back is against the wall, can roll up elite stats, and play with the best of them. But in the moments you need him most, he's not quite the guy to get you over the hump and it's 100% mental.

I still believe you can win a Superbowl with both under the right circumstances though. I still believe in Kyle. But sometimes he needs to be saved from himself and his blinders-focus on play calling.

Kyle is still a young coach compared to Walsh, Reid, and Bellichick. He needs a Hall of Fame QB to win a Superbowl. He may have found two promising individuals this year.

As for the gameplan against the Eagles, he was too aggressive when patience and the run game was needed in this case. The Washington Commanders approach should have indicated what Kyle needed to do from a strategic point of view. The run game and short passes should have been the norm. Instead Kyle decides to gamble (a la New York - going on 4th down) and risk his QB on a longer developing play.

Its a lesson learned. Is he confident or arrogant? In the Dallas game he was confident, because they won. In the Eagles game, he was arrogant because he lost his QB and lost the Game. He is a genius playcaller, and sometimes its a genius move to be more patient than arrogant.

Win = confident
Lose = arrogant

Don't understand that at all.

See this hindsight response so often. Just run the ball like it's the answer to everything. We weren't running the ball well to start the game. If you think a bunch of 3 and outs is a way to go then I don't know what to tell you.

The point of a long developing play was an attempt to force the Eagles to think twice about stacking the box and focusing on the run so much.

It was so we could run the ball, not instead of running the ball.

Any team that gets one dimensional is more than likely going to lose so this whole "just run the ball" mantra in hindsight when that's what Philly was clearly prepared for is not the magic pill so many want it to be.

Its a valid assessment as you don't know what any decision will result in, until after the fact. That's how you learn. You tell a person, don't touch the hot kettle, and they do, well the result is an injury because of their choice to touch the hot kettle.

In the future, Kyle should be more cautious in calling aggressive long developing pass plays against a defense that has such ferocious pass rushers. As for the run game not working, that was *expected* as Washington's run game was averaging less than 3.2 yards per play. It was basically (I think) 6 plays before Brock got injured. Kyle just got impatient in my opinion. There is a difference - as I said - between confidence and arrogance, and that is impatience.

That's not what arrogance is at all. I couldn't disagree more with your assessment, but happy to agree to disagree.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I'm fully expecting Kyle to get a 3rd QB now to play behind Trey and Brock.

They'll bring in at least a 3rd and 4th QB if for nothing else than having more guys in camp. They always do. Whether one of them sticks to the active roster is another story, but Shanahan has usually kept 3 on it.

Well I think a third QB will or should make the 53, and so it can't be a camp body, but a legit QB like another Brock kind of late round talent. It can't be a washed up Josh Johnson, for example.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Kyle is the Jimmy Garoppolo of HC's...can go on a great winning roll, plays best when his back is against the wall, can roll up elite stats, and play with the best of them. But in the moments you need him most, he's not quite the guy to get you over the hump and it's 100% mental.

I still believe you can win a Superbowl with both under the right circumstances though. I still believe in Kyle. But sometimes he needs to be saved from himself and his blinders-focus on play calling.

Kyle is still a young coach compared to Walsh, Reid, and Bellichick. He needs a Hall of Fame QB to win a Superbowl. He may have found two promising individuals this year.

As for the gameplan against the Eagles, he was too aggressive when patience and the run game was needed in this case. The Washington Commanders approach should have indicated what Kyle needed to do from a strategic point of view. The run game and short passes should have been the norm. Instead Kyle decides to gamble (a la New York - going on 4th down) and risk his QB on a longer developing play.

Its a lesson learned. Is he confident or arrogant? In the Dallas game he was confident, because they won. In the Eagles game, he was arrogant because he lost his QB and lost the Game. He is a genius playcaller, and sometimes its a genius move to be more patient than arrogant.

Win = confident
Lose = arrogant

Don't understand that at all.

See this hindsight response so often. Just run the ball like it's the answer to everything. We weren't running the ball well to start the game. If you think a bunch of 3 and outs is a way to go then I don't know what to tell you.

The point of a long developing play was an attempt to force the Eagles to think twice about stacking the box and focusing on the run so much.

It was so we could run the ball, not instead of running the ball.

Any team that gets one dimensional is more than likely going to lose so this whole "just run the ball" mantra in hindsight when that's what Philly was clearly prepared for is not the magic pill so many want it to be.

Its a valid assessment as you don't know what any decision will result in, until after the fact. That's how you learn. You tell a person, don't touch the hot kettle, and they do, well the result is an injury because of their choice to touch the hot kettle.

In the future, Kyle should be more cautious in calling aggressive long developing pass plays against a defense that has such ferocious pass rushers. As for the run game not working, that was *expected* as Washington's run game was averaging less than 3.2 yards per play. It was basically (I think) 6 plays before Brock got injured. Kyle just got impatient in my opinion. There is a difference - as I said - between confidence and arrogance, and that is impatience.

That's not what arrogance is at all. I couldn't disagree more with your assessment, but happy to agree to disagree.

Fine - agree to disagree, we all have our opinions, that's what this board is for.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Let's move to a more productive conversation.

What does Kyle/Lynch need to do NOW to get us over the hump for next year? They're obviously close.

Replace, Kinlaw, Glinch, Burford, Brendel and find another CB since I'm not confident In Moseley being able to stay healthy.

did you read his post, it's getting us over the hump. removing players will not do that

Brendel and Burford should be backups.

Glinch and Kinlaw should be gone.

do you still not understand, They are good enough to get us to the NFCCG, who is replacing them to get us a SB,.. anyone ?

Kinlaw didn't do a thing to help us get to the NFCCG, other that get tosses aside.

JG also helped us reach the super bowl In 2019, but we still replaced him, because he was the weak link.

ok your logic is just removing those players and not replace them with anyone.. great strategy lol

How do I know who'll be available on free agency? Lol the season hasn't even officially ended yet.

You do realise that 3 players from the OL that helped us reach the NFCCG last season we're replaced this season? Lol

how do you know? There are sites for free agency, draft class all this info.. but you don't know. If you don't know why even say anything lol

We should stick with the same OL that got us 4 Qbs killed eh? Lol

There's also a draft and the option to make a trade

let's not look past the real issue

team is loaded all over

the real issue is 6 years in and we have no idea who the QB is. KS hasn't figured that spot out in 6 years. and I will continue to say it.. this team has an issue keeping the QB active.. and it's not the protection, you have high end blocking TEs, pro bowl every year FB, top 10 RT, HOF best in class LT, etc. Blocking is there.

Originally posted by Sickaa:
We should stick with the same OL that got us 4 Qbs killed eh? Lol

There's also a draft and the option to make a trade

Toss out some names please….also imo Brock held onto the ball too long and it was a TE not a lineman who didn't hold his block. Brock's gotta have better pocket awareness in that situation, knowing a TE is blocking their best guy.

I like Kyle, but Kyle should be slapped for trying to block a premiere pass rusher with a backup TE knowing they have the best pass defense in the NFL.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
let's not look past the real issue

team is loaded all over

the real issue is 6 years in and we have no idea who the QB is. KS hasn't figured that spot out in 6 years. and I will continue to say it.. this team has an issue keeping the QB active.. and it's not the protection, you have high end blocking TEs, pro bowl every year FB, top 10 RT, HOF best in class LT, etc. Blocking is there.

Not sure about the blocking Is there when every year we see our Qbs getting killed.

Is that really down to bad luck?

I agree with us not really having a franchise QB after 6 years. We'll see If Lance or Purdy become that guy.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I saw some people complaining that Kyle always gets his QBs hurt. For the record, 5 other teams had to play 4 different QBs this season. Not all were because of injuries but several were.

ShanaLynch did a good job keeping the rest of the team relatively healthy, hopefully he can figure out how to keep his QBs healthy.

Its a violent sport, and I agree. But if he can find a way to reduce or eliminate those injuries, he'll have an advantage over the rest of the NFL. The talent is so evenly spread out that one or two injuries will end your teams season. I'm fully expecting Kyle to get a 3rd QB now to play behind Trey and Brock.

The QBs gotta take care of themselves all the same. Internal clock, running/sliding, throwing the ball away, pocket presence etc etc.

Many are whining about protection.

Lol if anything,...I'd argue that the protection's been so good that Brock simply took it for granted. Finishing in the Top 5 in pass blocking in 2023 would be a dream come true.

Please someone -- anyone -- rewatch the exact play as it went down. He could've gotten rid of it. Rewatch the play.

DLinemen get to the QB from time to time. It's part of the game.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I saw some people complaining that Kyle always gets his QBs hurt. For the record, 5 other teams had to play 4 different QBs this season. Not all were because of injuries but several were.

ShanaLynch did a good job keeping the rest of the team relatively healthy, hopefully he can figure out how to keep his QBs healthy.

Its a violent sport, and I agree. But if he can find a way to reduce or eliminate those injuries, he'll have an advantage over the rest of the NFL. The talent is so evenly spread out that one or two injuries will end your teams season. I'm fully expecting Kyle to get a 3rd QB now to play behind Trey and Brock.

The QBs gotta take care of themselves all the same. Internal clock, running/sliding, throwing the ball away, pocket presence etc etc.

Yeah QBs get injured. Steve Young played with broken ribs in the NFCCG. Not saying Brock should have played on that arm, but rather agreeing with you that QBs will get hurt, its a violent sport. Joe got knocked out by Jim Burt. The other 5 Superbowl wins, we had enough talent on the line to protect against a Lawrence Taylor, for example. So that's my aim point for Shanahan. He has to develop that OLine talent to protect against elite pass defenses in the playoffs. Otherwise he'll always fall short of the Superbowl.