49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yup...I simply asked:

What does Kyle/Lynch need to do NOW to get us over the hump for next year? They're obviously close.

There wasn't any hump. All 3 of our QBs were hurt vs. probably the best team in the league.

You're proposing solutions to a problem that we didn't get to observe as existent.

We couldn't throw the ball or sustain a drive without any of our 3 QBs. Nonexistent problem-solving.

Originally posted by Giedi:
I think the OLine continues to be a priority now that they have some young quality QBs on the roster.

Yes...but the OLine is a priority with every team,...no?

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Giedi:
In the future, Kyle should be more cautious in calling aggressive long developing pass plays against a defense that has such ferocious pass rushers. As for the run game not working, that was *expected* as Washington's run game was averaging less than 3.2 yards per play. It was basically (I think) 6 plays before Brock got injured. Kyle just got impatient in my opinion. There is a difference - as I said - between confidence and arrogance, and that is impatience.

Calling 3 pass plays and 3 run plays is not being impatient, or arrogant. That's not even enough plays to establish what the tempo of the game even is. It's barely a third of the scripted plays.

And oh, by the way, Brock was 2-for-2 on his first two pass attempts, so it was working.

Did it have to be a play action pass? It could have been a three step slant pattern. In other words, he was going for a Knock Out, when he should have kept his jab and guard up and continue to hit the body.

He had the guy open for that knockout. It's a game of inches. If Hassan is a step slower or is chip blocked or Purdy is a tick faster at throwing the ball it's a big completion.

Sometimes the other team makes a play. Sometimes they let you off the hook (Montana almost INT at end of SB23). Games are won and lost on such minimal differences.

Agree its a game of inches, but when you have the number 1 defense in the NFL, you don't need to be offensively impatient.

I just don't see it as impatient. It's a strategic move that was part of the opening script. Doing a deep shot every play like the Bills, now that's impatient.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yup...I simply asked:

What does Kyle/Lynch need to do NOW to get us over the hump for next year? They're obviously close.

There wasn't any hump. All 3 of our QBs were hurt vs. probably the best team in the league.

You're proposing solutions to a problem that we didn't get to observe as existent.

We couldn't throw the ball or sustain a drive without any of our 3 QBs. Nonexistent problem-solving.

We should be asking the question as to why our Qbs are always getting Injured?

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I think the OLine continues to be a priority now that they have some young quality QBs on the roster.

Yes...but the OLine is a priority with every team,...no?

It is, but not every team deals with having 4 QBs getting Injured.

When you are literally down to your 5th string QB emergency QB CMC it's time to probably admit your offensive line, blocking TE's and protection schemes aren't really that good. You also need a lot more hot reads if you need to get the ball out quick. Do you see any other teams doing this? Mostly they are playing their starters in the playoffs. At this point it's a fatal flaw. Unless it's fixed we can't go further in the playoffs.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
When you are literally down to your 5th string QB emergency QB CMC it's time to probably admit your offensive line, blocking TE's and protection schemes aren't really that good. You also need a lot more hot reads if you need to get the ball out quick. Do you see any other teams doing this? Mostly they are playing their starters in the playoffs. At this point it's a fatal flaw. Unless it's fixed we can't go further in the playoffs.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by mitpdub:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I saw some people complaining that Kyle always gets his QBs hurt. For the record, 5 other teams had to play 4 different QBs this season. Not all were because of injuries but several were.

ShanaLynch did a good job keeping the rest of the team relatively healthy, hopefully he can figure out how to keep his QBs healthy.

Its a violent sport, and I agree. But if he can find a way to reduce or eliminate those injuries, he'll have an advantage over the rest of the NFL. The talent is so evenly spread out that one or two injuries will end your teams season. I'm fully expecting Kyle to get a 3rd QB now to play behind Trey and Brock.

The QBs gotta take care of themselves all the same. Internal clock, running/sliding, throwing the ball away, pocket presence etc etc.

Many are whining about protection.

Lol if anything,...I'd argue that the protection's been so good that Brock simply took it for granted. Finishing in the Top 5 in pass blocking in 2023 would be a dream come true.

Please someone -- anyone -- rewatch the exact play as it went down. He could've gotten rid of it. Rewatch the play.

DLinemen get to the QB from time to time. It's part of the game.

Greg Olsen said when it happened it was something he noticed with Brock as the season went on. His internal clock was working as well. He was holding onto the ball too long (less anticipation throws) and he was getting hit more.

Olsen is a horrible commentator, I wanted to mute him many times yesterday.

That pass play was a deeper route and needed more time to complete. Kroft shouldn't be 1 on 1 vs Redick in that play. Not sure if Kittle could have chipped or Kroft accidental trip chop block. In hindsight the wrong play and match up that early.

Agree 💯%, I couldn't have said it better myself.

They showed at halftime BP and JJ getting blown up with Howie Long saying we aren't protecting correctly from a scheme / play design point of view.

I remember when we were bad during Kyle's first year and a few posters here said that Kyle's offense prioritizes receivers not necessarily protection. We could do the Harbaugh style of max protect, but the offense is just not fun to watch.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Giedi:
In the future, Kyle should be more cautious in calling aggressive long developing pass plays against a defense that has such ferocious pass rushers. As for the run game not working, that was *expected* as Washington's run game was averaging less than 3.2 yards per play. It was basically (I think) 6 plays before Brock got injured. Kyle just got impatient in my opinion. There is a difference - as I said - between confidence and arrogance, and that is impatience.

Calling 3 pass plays and 3 run plays is not being impatient, or arrogant. That's not even enough plays to establish what the tempo of the game even is. It's barely a third of the scripted plays.

And oh, by the way, Brock was 2-for-2 on his first two pass attempts, so it was working.

Did it have to be a play action pass? It could have been a three step slant pattern. In other words, he was going for a Knock Out, when he should have kept his jab and guard up and continue to hit the body.

He had the guy open for that knockout. It's a game of inches. If Hassan is a step slower or is chip blocked or Purdy is a tick faster at throwing the ball it's a big completion.

Sometimes the other team makes a play. Sometimes they let you off the hook (Montana almost INT at end of SB23). Games are won and lost on such minimal differences.

Agree its a game of inches, but when you have the number 1 defense in the NFL, you don't need to be offensively impatient.

I just don't see it as impatient. It's a strategic move that was part of the opening script. Doing a deep shot every play like the Bills, now that's impatient.

It was impatience and it was blocked wrong. You play a field position game against the Eagles. You are on your 3rd string QB. You keep him safe. You don't take those kinds of chances so early in the game. Agree to disagree on this point.

A lot has been put into the defensive line and LBs the skill positions and even two young QBs. Have to upgrade the O-line and the Secondary to some extent. The trenches are always where the games are won. Our D-line is solid and i think will be even better next year. The D-line can make an average secondary look good and I believe our secondary is a little above average. The o-line has one really good lineman and one that is good and probably get better. But from center to right tackle there needs to be upgrades and a better #2 tight end.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I think the OLine continues to be a priority now that they have some young quality QBs on the roster.

Yes...but the OLine is a priority with every team,...no?

It is, but not every team deals with having 4 QBs getting Injured.

Sure. But what does the OLine have to do with Lance running up the gut and getting injured?

Or Jimmy scrambling out of the pocket and dragging players with him, refusing to get rid of the ball?

I'm still waiting for these answers,...but they're non existent from the same people the keep repeating it.

They will do what they can (just like every year) and if we have the same protection next year that we had this year we'll be lucky.

Originally posted by mitpdub:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by mitpdub:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I saw some people complaining that Kyle always gets his QBs hurt. For the record, 5 other teams had to play 4 different QBs this season. Not all were because of injuries but several were.

ShanaLynch did a good job keeping the rest of the team relatively healthy, hopefully he can figure out how to keep his QBs healthy.

Its a violent sport, and I agree. But if he can find a way to reduce or eliminate those injuries, he'll have an advantage over the rest of the NFL. The talent is so evenly spread out that one or two injuries will end your teams season. I'm fully expecting Kyle to get a 3rd QB now to play behind Trey and Brock.

The QBs gotta take care of themselves all the same. Internal clock, running/sliding, throwing the ball away, pocket presence etc etc.

Many are whining about protection.

Lol if anything,...I'd argue that the protection's been so good that Brock simply took it for granted. Finishing in the Top 5 in pass blocking in 2023 would be a dream come true.

Please someone -- anyone -- rewatch the exact play as it went down. He could've gotten rid of it. Rewatch the play.

DLinemen get to the QB from time to time. It's part of the game.

Greg Olsen said when it happened it was something he noticed with Brock as the season went on. His internal clock was working as well. He was holding onto the ball too long (less anticipation throws) and he was getting hit more.

Olsen is a horrible commentator, I wanted to mute him many times yesterday.

That pass play was a deeper route and needed more time to complete. Kroft shouldn't be 1 on 1 vs Redick in that play. Not sure if Kittle could have chipped or Kroft accidental trip chop block. In hindsight the wrong play and match up that early.

Agree 💯%, I couldn't have said it better myself.

They showed at halftime BP and JJ getting blown up with Howie Long saying we aren't protecting correctly from a scheme / play design point of view.

I remember when we were bad during Kyle's first year and a few posters here said that Kyle's offense prioritizes receivers not necessarily protection. We could do the Harbaugh style of max protect, but the offense is just not fun to watch.

I think this is an important offseason for Kyle to proceed with his development as a coach. I've seen him grow. From Pettis to Aiyuk. From Reuben to Warner. From Person to Banks and Burford. From Brida to Mason and CMC. Now its time for McGlinchy to.... ?

In other words he needs to revisit his foundational offensive and defensive philosophy because he has two QB gems on his hands.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Let's move to a more productive conversation.

What does Kyle/Lynch need to do NOW to get us over the hump for next year? They're obviously close.

still a QB away

Fair. Anything else?

what else is there to get us over the hump?

Pass protection, pass rush, pass coverage, 24th in ST, etc. You know, things beyond the QB? No?

So you don't know really.. just blurting out things doesn't upgrade anything.

Things beyond QB..? QB and their limitations is the only thing that stops team from winning

He just gave you a list of what needs to be Improved lol

Having a great QB Isn't gonna help much If we can't keep him upright.

dude you can't be this obtuse. Who are the upgrades.. you know.. like talking about the reality of it ?

I've already explained this.

The team will look Into this through the off-season.

Glinch Is more than likely gone anyway, so what Is the team gonna do about that?

It shouldn't be hard to reply Kinlaw lol dude sucks.

As for Branded and Burford, I'm ok with them starting next season if need be.

The 9ers are known for finding late round gems too..

you're not explaining anything.. it's a cop out. just getting rid of people..which is makes our team worse if you don't replace them.

Who are the upgrades ? Example at RT, MM is will be the top RT in FA.. who is an upgrade from him that we can get ?

Originally posted by Giedi:
It was impatience and it was blocked wrong. You play a field position game against the Eagles. You are on your 3rd string QB. You keep him safe. You don't take those kinds of chances so early in the game. Agree to disagree on this point.

If you know the scouting report on our 3rd stringer to begin with,...it's that he's a risk taker. That's his M.O.

You can coach it out of him all you want but he has that "it" in him that's going to try to maximize what he can.

We love it when it works for extra TDs,...but when it doesnt....here we are.....

I mean the coaching staff doesn't have a joystick on the sidelines where they press a button and the ball gets released.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Let's move to a more productive conversation.

What does Kyle/Lynch need to do NOW to get us over the hump for next year? They're obviously close.

still a QB away

Fair. Anything else?

what else is there to get us over the hump?

Pass protection, pass rush, pass coverage, 24th in ST, etc. You know, things beyond the QB? No?

So you don't know really.. just blurting out things doesn't upgrade anything.

Things beyond QB..? QB and their limitations is the only thing that stops team from winning

Personally I'm reading NCs post as - after a playoff run, your team will be eviscerated by bottom feeding teams that take your valuable depth and talent. ShanaLynch will have to rebuild the team from scratch (in a sense) to make another playoff run. But now they lose draft position and most likely cap space to sign Bosa, Aiyuk, and the other free agents they think they need. The cap and draft just forces mediocrity on playoff teams. We'll see how ShanaLynch responds considering- i think - their all important QB squad is talented and cheap for the next year or two.

Yup...I simply asked:

What does Kyle/Lynch need to do NOW to get us over the hump for next year? They're obviously close.

if we are close why are you trying to make a laundry list..

Everything we had was/is NFCCG worthy and QB bit us once again. It's QB driven league and the team can't carry the QB the entire way.

Philly couldn't win with their #1 OL without a QB

LOL. They just won 2 playoff games with an injured QB who didn't have to do anything. It's still a team game. Unless you genuinely think we had more talent then Philly across the board and coaching, scheme, etc. is a wash. We are also scheduled to lose players and coaches.

In short, what is your off season plan to get us over the hump?