Originally posted by Sickaa:
I Said "we should look Into It" nothing wrong with trying to Improve the team.
Yes....this was going to happen whether things ended as they did or we won the SB.
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Jan 30, 2023 at 10:24 AM
- random49er
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Yes....this was going to happen whether things ended as they did or we won the SB.
Jan 30, 2023 at 10:27 AM
- SLCNiner
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Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
When you are literally down to your 5th string QB emergency QB CMC it's time to probably admit your offensive line, blocking TE's and protection schemes aren't really that good. You also need a lot more hot reads if you need to get the ball out quick. Do you see any other teams doing this? Mostly they are playing their starters in the playoffs. At this point it's a fatal flaw. Unless it's fixed we can't go further in the playoffs.
MIA is the only other, Ravens had issues but they weren't down to QB3 in playoffs it was SF and MIA
If I'm Jed York, I need to have a meeting with Kyle to get his thoughts on how/why we wound up in this position, and what can be done moving forward to avoid it. I've never seen an NFL team burn through FOUR quarterbacks in one season. There has to be more to it than bad luck, and I'd want to hear solutions.
I think it is more than bad luck. Miami also kind of runs some things similar to our system right. So if they are the 2 most injured in the league at QB that tells you something. It's not happening to other teams. This system exposes QB's to injuries. It needs to be fixed.
The good news is thanks to our QBs being on rookie deals we have a better chance of holding our team together for the next few years. But again, it doesn't matter if we don't find a solution to THIS problem.
Jan 30, 2023 at 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by SLCNiner:
If I'm Jed York, I need to have a meeting with Kyle to get his thoughts on how/why we wound up in this position, and what can be done moving forward to avoid it. I've never seen an NFL team burn through FOUR quarterbacks in one season. There has to be more to it than bad luck, and I'd want to hear solutions.
The only thing Jed York should be asking Shanahan or Lynch is "What can I provide you to help you do even better next year?" Anything else is just Jed inserting himself into a process he has no ability to help do better. Unless Jed's looking to make a change - and there's zero evidence he cares to move on from Shanalynch anytime soon- let the guys he's hired do their jobs.
Jan 30, 2023 at 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by Sickaa:
I Said "we should look Into It" nothing wrong with trying to Improve the team.
Yes....this was going to happen whether things ended as they did or we won the SB.
That's all I'm saying. Whether we're able to do It or not, who knows?
Jan 30, 2023 at 10:32 AM
- 49erFaithful6
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Originally posted by captveg:
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
If I'm Jed York, I need to have a meeting with Kyle to get his thoughts on how/why we wound up in this position, and what can be done moving forward to avoid it. I've never seen an NFL team burn through FOUR quarterbacks in one season. There has to be more to it than bad luck, and I'd want to hear solutions.
The only thing Jed York should be asking Shanahan or Lynch is "What can I provide you to help you do even better next year?" Anything else is just Jed inserting himself into a process he has no ability to help do better. Unless Jed's looking to make a change - and there's zero evidence he cares to move on from Shanalynch anytime soon- let the guys he's hired do their jobs.
Jed has a role. He supervises KS / JL. KS reports to Jed. Jed knows the product on the field. Sometimes KS is so immersed in something, and sometimes when you get like that, you can't see the forest for the trees. Jed telling KS, look we need to work harder on keeping QBs active, that's 100% within his authority as Owner. The standard is Super Bowls.
Jan 30, 2023 at 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Any debate on the decision to go hard with Josh Johnson at the end of first half, instead of playing for halftime down 7?
They were going to need Johnson to step up at some point. There was 90 seconds left and Philly had at least 2 timeouts. Maybe all 3. They couldn't just sit on the ball.
Jan 30, 2023 at 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:lol, oh now not being conservative is the issue..
Any debate on the decision to go hard with Josh Johnson at the end of first half, instead of playing for halftime down 7?
Jan 30, 2023 at 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by captveg:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Any debate on the decision to go hard with Josh Johnson at the end of first half, instead of playing for halftime down 7?
They were going to need Johnson to step up at some point. There was 90 seconds left and Philly had at least 2 timeouts. Maybe all 3. They couldn't just sit on the ball.
You don't think our run game could have moved the ball gotten a first down or two and ended half? Or at minimum, avoided a TO and punt and our D holds?
Jan 30, 2023 at 10:36 AM
- ItsX4Number6
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:lol, oh now not being conservative is the issue..
Any debate on the decision to go hard with Josh Johnson at the end of first half, instead of playing for halftime down 7?
I'm personally fine that he was going for points. I also thought Josh Johnson would be a lot more poised as a 15 year vet.
Jan 30, 2023 at 10:37 AM
- SLCNiner
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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by captveg:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Any debate on the decision to go hard with Josh Johnson at the end of first half, instead of playing for halftime down 7?
They were going to need Johnson to step up at some point. There was 90 seconds left and Philly had at least 2 timeouts. Maybe all 3. They couldn't just sit on the ball.
You don't think our run game could have moved the ball gotten a first down or two and ended half? Or at minimum, avoided a TO and punt and our D holds?
I don't. We just inserted our FOURTH string QB and half was approaching. Philly would have sat on the run like it was the end of the game. No, Kyle took the right approach.
Jan 30, 2023 at 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Any debate on the decision to go hard with Josh Johnson at the end of first half, instead of playing for halftime down 7?
He's a dope. Went ultra conservative with Brock last week vs the boys then does the opposite with Josh Johnson. Guy should not have been Allowed to attempt a pass.
There's 100 run concepts he could have used instead. Run left, run right, screen left, screen right, read option, wildcat, pitch, jet sweep. Etc.. all don't involve Johnson having to do anything but manage.
Jan 30, 2023 at 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:lol, oh now not being conservative is the issue..
Any debate on the decision to go hard with Josh Johnson at the end of first half, instead of playing for halftime down 7?
I can be honest and say I was in favor of pushing it. Announcers mentioned the dilemma at the start of the drive. I can see folks and actual coaches, playing that different.
Jan 30, 2023 at 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by captveg:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Any debate on the decision to go hard with Josh Johnson at the end of first half, instead of playing for halftime down 7?
They were going to need Johnson to step up at some point. There was 90 seconds left and Philly had at least 2 timeouts. Maybe all 3. They couldn't just sit on the ball.
You don't think our run game could have moved the ball gotten a first down or two and ended half? Or at minimum, avoided a TO and punt and our D holds?
Nope that's a loser strategy you can do week 3 versus a s**tty Rams team. It's the playoffs and you are playing top competition. They needed to be aggressive and try to get points. I mean he dropped a basic snap. you don't expect that. the score would still have been 31-7 without out that one score.
Jan 30, 2023 at 10:38 AM
- 49AllTheTime
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Originally posted by Sickaa:no no no, don't back pedal now. 49ers look into upgrading all the time win or lose
I Said "we should look Into It" nothing wrong with trying to Improve the team.
Brendel Is a journeyman who actually looked decent tbf.
Burford Is still young, so maybe he has potential?
Replacing Kin, whilst finding a way to upgrade the ST would still be an Improvement, would It not?
I know It's not easy replacing starters In this league, but that's why you have the draft and free agency.
You and NC clearly posted what needs to be done and gave half sided opinions.. Pointing something out does not solve anything
Jan 30, 2023 at 10:38 AM
- captveg
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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by captveg:
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
If I'm Jed York, I need to have a meeting with Kyle to get his thoughts on how/why we wound up in this position, and what can be done moving forward to avoid it. I've never seen an NFL team burn through FOUR quarterbacks in one season. There has to be more to it than bad luck, and I'd want to hear solutions.
The only thing Jed York should be asking Shanahan or Lynch is "What can I provide you to help you do even better next year?" Anything else is just Jed inserting himself into a process he has no ability to help do better. Unless Jed's looking to make a change - and there's zero evidence he cares to move on from Shanalynch anytime soon- let the guys he's hired do their jobs.
Jed has a role. He supervises KS / JL. KS reports to Jed. Jed knows the product on the field. Sometimes KS is so immersed in something, and sometimes when you get like that, you can't see the forest for the trees. Jed telling KS, look we need to work harder on keeping QBs active, that's 100% within his authority as Owner. The standard is Super Bowls.
You don't think Kyle understands that having his QB injured is holding his team back?
Is Jed going to mention this to him with Kyle going "Oh, now I get it! Having a HEALTHY QB is better?! Thanks for the great insight, Jed!"
They literally drafted Trey because *Jimmy was often injured*. They get it. They're going to do whatever they can to keep their QBs upright while also being able to score points in a predominantly passing league. 60+ QBs started games this year. Keeping them on the field is damn hard.