49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Here's some thoughts/questions on offense ....

Are our qb's hit/ pressured at a higher rate that other teams? Is that data available?

I get the whole freak injury thing, but most injuries happen with contact and our qb's seem to get a lot of contact....
Early on we could all see the right side of the line was a s**t show early on. We must upgrade RT and pass protection overall.

Our offense is loaded at the skill positions, but it doesn't matter if the line sucks. That's it - UPGRADE the offensive line.

No they are not. 5th best line in terms of pressure this season.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Not that so much, more having him drop back and go thru progressions.. KS def made a choice to dial up some downfield throws before half. It backfired bigtime. If he does his normal conservative stuff, we likely go in down 7. Instead we went in down 14 and JJ's confidence shaken totally.

to edit - you can hear on the broadcast they mentioned he took his eye off the snap to hurry up and get a start on his progressions

The broadcasters have zero idea what JJ was going to do. Maybe he took his eye off it because he was going to throw a quick pass without going through progressions at all. They had zero knowledge of what he was going to do.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Any debate on the decision to go hard with Josh Johnson at the end of first half, instead of playing for halftime down 7?

He's a dope. Went ultra conservative with Brock last week vs the boys then does the opposite with Josh Johnson. Guy should not have been Allowed to attempt a pass.

There's 100 run concepts he could have used instead. Run left, run right, screen left, screen right, read option, wildcat, pitch, jet sweep. Etc.. all don't involve Johnson having to do anything but manage.

I like this take as there is a certain inconsistency with being conservative vs DAL with BP and aggressive vs PHI with JJ.

Someone reasonable finally shows up. Not like the same 5-7 posters who are still sitting on Kyle's 3 incher

Kyle f**ked up massively. Take the game into the 2nd half down by 7. You get the ball first. You have f**king Josh Johnson at qb. Your defense has been playing pretty damn well to this point.

Nope. Not Kyle. Moron.

Majority of the forums supports Kyle. Majority of this fan base supports Kyle. Majority of the NFL thinks Kyle is a very good coach. It's literally the same 5-7 people who are completely clueless and want Kyle gone.

Id say the majority of the fan base say Kyle is a good in season coach and can be successful, but shrivels up in big moments and makes the biggest in game blunders at the worst time. The majority of fans acknowledge his strengths. But also his major weaknesses.

The same 5-7 posters, like Kyle himself, refuse to admit he has major faults.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
The broadcasters have zero idea what JJ was going to do. Maybe he took his eye off it because he was going to throw a quick pass without going through progressions at all. They had zero knowledge of what he was going to do.

All Josh has to do is fall on the fumble. He can't even do that right.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Not that so much, more having him drop back and go thru progressions.. KS def made a choice to dial up some downfield throws before half. It backfired bigtime. If he does his normal conservative stuff, we likely go in down 7. Instead we went in down 14 and JJ's confidence shaken totally.

to edit - you can hear on the broadcast they mentioned he took his eye off the snap to hurry up and get a start on his progressions

The broadcasters have zero idea what JJ was going to do. Maybe he took his eye off it because he was going to throw a quick pass without going through progressions at all. They had zero knowledge of what he was going to do.

I wouldn't say zero knowledge.. they have some.. I mean they are pro broadcasters. Color guy was one of the best TEs I have seen play the game. So that's some knowledge. Inexperienced in big games QB, fierce rush, it's their words he took his eye off to look at the D / start his progressions.. given he's needed all the help in that respect he can get, he's not experienced at all in game action, Philly just knocked out our starter and is getting home.. it's a reasonable assumption, given the evidence.

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Any debate on the decision to go hard with Josh Johnson at the end of first half, instead of playing for halftime down 7?

He's a dope. Went ultra conservative with Brock last week vs the boys then does the opposite with Josh Johnson. Guy should not have been Allowed to attempt a pass.

There's 100 run concepts he could have used instead. Run left, run right, screen left, screen right, read option, wildcat, pitch, jet sweep. Etc.. all don't involve Johnson having to do anything but manage.

You need a better o line to accomplish that. not to mention you are going up against a good Eagles team that is expecting the run. run the wildcat and read option with who?

Johnson can run the read option. The guys been with 14 different teams and learned 14 different offenses. It's literally looking at the defensive end and seeing whether he's going for QB or RB and deciding to keep it give. Unless you think Stanford graduates CMC is not smart enough to run it.

Wildcat they ran later and juice or CMC could run it with Josh.

Every other concept we run all the time and are part of the regular playbook. You literally could run the jet sweep 4 different ways just by trading between aiyuik, deebo, mcloud, and kittle and we have run it with each of them before.

He can run a basic toss pitch also.

None of this is foreign you just need a coach willing to throw out his normal play sheet and call it when the circumstances call for it.

It was not a player problem it was a coaching play call problem none of it got done.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Not that so much, more having him drop back and go thru progressions.. KS def made a choice to dial up some downfield throws before half. It backfired bigtime. If he does his normal conservative stuff, we likely go in down 7. Instead we went in down 14 and JJ's confidence shaken totally.

to edit - you can hear on the broadcast they mentioned he took his eye off the snap to hurry up and get a start on his progressions

The broadcasters have zero idea what JJ was going to do. Maybe he took his eye off it because he was going to throw a quick pass without going through progressions at all. They had zero knowledge of what he was going to do.

I wouldn't say zero knowledge.. they have some.. I mean they are pro broadcasters. Color guy was one of the best TEs I have seen play the game. So that's some knowledge. Inexperienced in big games QB, fierce rush, it's their words he took his eye off to look at the D / start his progressions.. given he's needed all the help in that respect he can get, he's not experienced at all in game action, Philly just knocked out our starter and is getting home.. it's a reasonable assumption, given the evidence.

Point is, they are guessing as much as anyone else. Like I said, it's possible he didn't have a single progression on the snap he fumbled. No one other than Kyle and the players know.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Not that so much, more having him drop back and go thru progressions.. KS def made a choice to dial up some downfield throws before half. It backfired bigtime. If he does his normal conservative stuff, we likely go in down 7. Instead we went in down 14 and JJ's confidence shaken totally.

to edit - you can hear on the broadcast they mentioned he took his eye off the snap to hurry up and get a start on his progressions

The broadcasters have zero idea what JJ was going to do. Maybe he took his eye off it because he was going to throw a quick pass without going through progressions at all. They had zero knowledge of what he was going to do.

I wouldn't say zero knowledge.. they have some.. I mean they are pro broadcasters. Color guy was one of the best TEs I have seen play the game. So that's some knowledge. Inexperienced in big games QB, fierce rush, it's their words he took his eye off to look at the D / start his progressions.. given he's needed all the help in that respect he can get, he's not experienced at all in game action, Philly just knocked out our starter and is getting home.. it's a reasonable assumption, given the evidence.

Point is, they are guessing as much as anyone else. Like I said, it's possible he didn't have a single progression on the snap he fumbled. No one other than Kyle and the players know.

well i mean look at the play art the all 22..should answer the question.. in the booth they saw the whole field, we didn't really on the broadcast

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Any debate on the decision to go hard with Josh Johnson at the end of first half, instead of playing for halftime down 7?

He's a dope. Went ultra conservative with Brock last week vs the boys then does the opposite with Josh Johnson. Guy should not have been Allowed to attempt a pass.

There's 100 run concepts he could have used instead. Run left, run right, screen left, screen right, read option, wildcat, pitch, jet sweep. Etc.. all don't involve Johnson having to do anything but manage.

You need a better o line to accomplish that. not to mention you are going up against a good Eagles team that is expecting the run. run the wildcat and read option with who?

Johnson can run the read option. The guys been with 14 different teams and learned 14 different offenses. It's literally looking at the defensive end and seeing whether he's going for QB or RB and deciding to keep it give. Unless you think Stanford graduates CMC is not smart enough to run it.

Wildcat they ran later and juice or CMC could run it with Josh.

Every other concept we run all the time and are part of the regular playbook. You literally could run the jet sweep 4 different ways just by trading between aiyuik, deebo, mcloud, and kittle and we have run it with each of them before.

He can run a basic toss pitch also.

None of this is foreign you just need a coach willing to throw out his normal play sheet and call it when the circumstances call for it.

It was not a player problem it was a coaching play call problem none of it got done.

lol what..? none of what you said would have worked when they know we can only run the ball..

QB killer? Jk.

Seriously, though, you have your QB ( hopefully ) now protect him at all cost

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Not that so much, more having him drop back and go thru progressions.. KS def made a choice to dial up some downfield throws before half. It backfired bigtime. If he does his normal conservative stuff, we likely go in down 7. Instead we went in down 14 and JJ's confidence shaken totally.

to edit - you can hear on the broadcast they mentioned he took his eye off the snap to hurry up and get a start on his progressions

The broadcasters have zero idea what JJ was going to do. Maybe he took his eye off it because he was going to throw a quick pass without going through progressions at all. They had zero knowledge of what he was going to do.

I wouldn't say zero knowledge.. they have some.. I mean they are pro broadcasters. Color guy was one of the best TEs I have seen play the game. So that's some knowledge. Inexperienced in big games QB, fierce rush, it's their words he took his eye off to look at the D / start his progressions.. given he's needed all the help in that respect he can get, he's not experienced at all in game action, Philly just knocked out our starter and is getting home.. it's a reasonable assumption, given the evidence.

Point is, they are guessing as much as anyone else. Like I said, it's possible he didn't have a single progression on the snap he fumbled. No one other than Kyle and the players know.

well i mean look at the play art the all 22..should answer the question.. in the booth they saw the whole field, we didn't really on the broadcast

what is the point you are trying to make.. JJ screwed up

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
lol what..? none of what you said would have worked when they know we can only run the ball..

Won't know because it was never even tried. All you need to know was when we had Johnson being conservative and running the ball it was 7-7. Hell it should have been 10-7 because we were in field goal range and then we got cute and tried to have Johnson go through progressions and pass and got sacked twice out of range and punted.

It may have worked it may not have but having him pass made it 21-7 instead of us being up 10-7 by half.

Yeah we probably still would have lost but it would have been closer.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Not that so much, more having him drop back and go thru progressions.. KS def made a choice to dial up some downfield throws before half. It backfired bigtime. If he does his normal conservative stuff, we likely go in down 7. Instead we went in down 14 and JJ's confidence shaken totally.

to edit - you can hear on the broadcast they mentioned he took his eye off the snap to hurry up and get a start on his progressions

The broadcasters have zero idea what JJ was going to do. Maybe he took his eye off it because he was going to throw a quick pass without going through progressions at all. They had zero knowledge of what he was going to do.

I wouldn't say zero knowledge.. they have some.. I mean they are pro broadcasters. Color guy was one of the best TEs I have seen play the game. So that's some knowledge. Inexperienced in big games QB, fierce rush, it's their words he took his eye off to look at the D / start his progressions.. given he's needed all the help in that respect he can get, he's not experienced at all in game action, Philly just knocked out our starter and is getting home.. it's a reasonable assumption, given the evidence.

Point is, they are guessing as much as anyone else. Like I said, it's possible he didn't have a single progression on the snap he fumbled. No one other than Kyle and the players know.

well i mean look at the play art the all 22..should answer the question.. in the booth they saw the whole field, we didn't really on the broadcast

what is the point you are trying to make.. JJ screwed up

Sure JJ screwed up.. I'm not trying to make a point, just find the discussion interesting of coaching decisions.. clearly KS bet JJ would not screw up in that moment, he felt JJ was up to the task of driving us downfield

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
lol what..? none of what you said would have worked when they know we can only run the ball..

4th string qb who hasn't played a game in years and it's not a player problem.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Not that so much, more having him drop back and go thru progressions.. KS def made a choice to dial up some downfield throws before half. It backfired bigtime. If he does his normal conservative stuff, we likely go in down 7. Instead we went in down 14 and JJ's confidence shaken totally.

to edit - you can hear on the broadcast they mentioned he took his eye off the snap to hurry up and get a start on his progressions

The broadcasters have zero idea what JJ was going to do. Maybe he took his eye off it because he was going to throw a quick pass without going through progressions at all. They had zero knowledge of what he was going to do.

I wouldn't say zero knowledge.. they have some.. I mean they are pro broadcasters. Color guy was one of the best TEs I have seen play the game. So that's some knowledge. Inexperienced in big games QB, fierce rush, it's their words he took his eye off to look at the D / start his progressions.. given he's needed all the help in that respect he can get, he's not experienced at all in game action, Philly just knocked out our starter and is getting home.. it's a reasonable assumption, given the evidence.

Point is, they are guessing as much as anyone else. Like I said, it's possible he didn't have a single progression on the snap he fumbled. No one other than Kyle and the players know.

well i mean look at the play art the all 22..should answer the question.. in the booth they saw the whole field, we didn't really on the broadcast

what is the point you are trying to make.. JJ screwed up

Sure JJ screwed up.. I'm not trying to make a point, just find the discussion interesting of coaching decisions.. clearly KS bet JJ would not screw up in that moment, he felt JJ was up to the task of driving us downfield

JJ is the QB, you have to throw the ball sometimes