49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I don't know anymore if we can win with this? His scheme, blocking and play calling gets QB'S killed. He can't keep QB'S healthy over and over for years. Not sure we can win like that. Maybe we need a new direction. We are literally down to our 5th string QB CMC.

I'm sorry guys that's ridiculous. We may need a different direction.

wtf are you even talking about..

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Read it. It's all in there. It is something to consider.

so go back to losing, hell no

There is a ceiling here with this guy. I think we hit it.

You sound like a moron

We can't win but we've been to what 3 out of the last 4 NFCCGs? LOL at webzone logic.

Sometimes you just need a little luck. Look how the Eagles just got in. They got lucky with us being down to our 4th string QB. The Chiefs got lucky with the Bengals. The Rams got lucky last year when Tartt dropped the would be int. Sometimes you just need a little luck.

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I don't know anymore if we can win with this? His scheme, blocking and play calling gets QB'S killed. He can't keep QB'S healthy over and over for years. Not sure we can win like that. Maybe we need a new direction. We are literally down to our 5th string QB CMC.

I'm sorry guys that's ridiculous. We may need a different direction.

wtf are you even talking about..

Read it. It's all in there. It is something to consider.

+ Show all quotes so go back to losing, hell no

There is a ceiling here with this guy. I think we hit it.

You sound like a moron

If we are ok with just getting to the post season but not winning it all then he is our guy for life. I want to win another championship.at what point is it ok to head in a different direction? 5 years? 10 ? I respect Kyle and agree that he is creative and has a high football iq. I want him to guide us into number 6 but based on his own record and history I don't see it happening with this team. I want to be wrong so let's hope he shakes the bad luck and the injury curse gets lifted. Let's also hope he gets more aggressive with the offense and he departs from playing ultra conservative and picks up a killer instinct. All is possible but I would not bet the farm on it. I think we give him a 3 year window to pull it together. If we get the same show year after year after year we should move on.

Originally posted by miked1978:
We can't win but we've been to what 3 out of the last 4 NFCCGs? LOL at webzone logic.

Sometimes you just need a little luck. Look how the Eagles just got in. They got lucky with us being down to our 4th string QB. The Chiefs got lucky with the Bengals. The Rams got lucky last year when Tartt dropped the would be int. Sometimes you just need a little luck.

Luck retired early on the Colts too so you can't rely on luck!

Originally posted by miked1978:
We can't win but we've been to what 3 out of the last 4 NFCCGs? LOL at webzone logic.

Sometimes you just need a little luck. Look how the Eagles just got in. They got lucky with us being down to our 4th string QB. The Chiefs got lucky with the Bengals. The Rams got lucky last year when Tartt dropped the would be int. Sometimes you just need a little luck.

Injury thread says

It's safe to say, the Football God's have saved all the luck for the other team. When is it our turn?

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by miked1978:
We can't win but we've been to what 3 out of the last 4 NFCCGs? LOL at webzone logic.

Sometimes you just need a little luck. Look how the Eagles just got in. They got lucky with us being down to our 4th string QB. The Chiefs got lucky with the Bengals. The Rams got lucky last year when Tartt dropped the would be int. Sometimes you just need a little luck.

Luck retired early on the Colts too so you can't rely on luck!

Originally posted by Leathaface:
KS is the kind of coach that is going to get all the credit when the team wins and all the blame when they lose. This is due to his success - he's set himself up to be that way by not having a superstar QB but having a strong playoff team. Is that his fault? No, but it's the reality.

That being said, he made a major mistake by not challenging that call. The moment I saw that catch live I was calling for a replay. The mechanism by which he made the catch (reaching up then having to bring it under to secure while falling on the ground chest/ball first) made it very difficult to maintain possession. KS didn't recognize this and he made the decision that a timeout/challenge was more important which is a terrible miscalculation on a play with massive game ramifications on the line. Guess what? He ended up not using any of those TOs or challenges.

He also didn't call a timeout when it was 1st and 10 at the Philly 34 after the bad punt. We got a delay of game and at 1st and 15 it took the run game away and JJ ended up not doing s**t with the ball.

I think the Devonte Smith play changed the entire game. I know this is hindsight but who knows how the game goes (Does Purdy get hurt? Does KS call the same plays at 0-0 vs 0-7? Do we win the game?) if that red flag is thrown.

We will never know what could've (or should've) happened in this game.

Don't forget the squib kick vs Seattle that cost 3 points going into the half. Good thing the team came alive in the second half.

Dont forget the botched 2 minute drill vs Dallas letting the clock dwindle down to nothing before the half. Thank God Purdy found JJ deep to get into FG range last second.

same coaching mistakes in 6 years with the team. He is the ultimate 2nd place champion, but lacks the prowess to take the team over the top.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Do you think the Bills in the 90's were the best team ever? What do you think of Andy Reid?

Kyle & Jim Harbaugh accomplished the same so far, only Harbaugh was a little more consistent (3 NFCCG's in 3 years).

Andy Reid is a H.O.F coach. Look at what he's done in Conference Championships (AFC & NFC combined). Not to mention the Super Bowl.

So Kyle only has to win one SB by this logic. After that as long as he makes the playoffs nearly every year, it's all good right?

Andy is 3-6 in Conference Championship games
Andy is 1-2 in Super Bowls.
Andy Reid is in year 24. He is 1-23 in trying to win Super Bowls.

Amd fwiw : Kyle's accomplishments are little more impressive than Harbaughs because Kyle actually built his roster from the ground up as opposed to taking over a mostly ready made team.

In his time with the Eagles and Chiefs, Reid has made 18 playoff appearances total. He has coached in 36 postseason games. Only Bill Belichick and Don Shula have coached more. Reid is about to coach in his 10th conference championship game. So Kyle would not only have to win a Super Bowl he would have to consistently get his team to the conference championship 7 more times as well as get to another Super Bowl after actually winning one.

Harbaugh took over a losing team, and last I checked the GM is responsible for building the roster so Kyle didn't build the roster. Harbaugh was coming from college so he knew who to tell the GM to go get in the draft. Harbaugh was better because he did it during a strike season where the lockout prevented him from working with his team in the offseason. See how this works?

harbaugh didn't do s**t lol

Neither has Kyle...

Remember...."It's up to us to make sure we compete for and win Super Bowls, that's our only goal. We don't raise division championship banners, we don't raise NFC Championship banners. We raise Super Bowl banners."

0-6 thus far....

+ Show all quotes If that's you base for your opinion.. yeah you have no reality

Reality is he's proving to not be a finisher.

Hmm, seems we competed for Super Bowls in 3/6 seasons so far. 3 of the last 4 even. That's a large part of that goal.

If you make the playoffs you have a chance. Shanahan gets us to the playoffs to have that chance. By your standard Andy Reid is 1-23. Seems a little absurd to count it that way.

So are we the Bills or Seahawks? LOL

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I don't know anymore if we can win with this? His scheme, blocking and play calling gets QB'S killed. He can't keep QB'S healthy over and over for years. Not sure we can win like that. Maybe we need a new direction. We are literally down to our 5th string QB CMC.

I'm sorry guys that's ridiculous. We may need a different direction.

That could all be resolved by fixing the OL.

Originally posted by DrEll:
Don't forget the squib kick vs Seattle that cost 3 points going into the half. Good thing the team came alive in the second half.

Dont forget the botched 2 minute drill vs Dallas letting the clock dwindle down to nothing before the half. Thank God Purdy found JJ deep to get into FG range last second.

same coaching mistakes in 6 years with the team. He is the ultimate 2nd place champion, but lacks the prowess to take the team over the top.

The squib kick (for starters) wasn't a "mistake",....it just resulted in an outcome that we wouldn't prefer (per your recollection). This is in no way, shape, or form, a "MISTAKE." It is judging a previous choice 100% by having on record what has happened.

This is what we call "HINDSIGHT."

We need to separate the choices we make on a couch after something happens with coaching decisions before something results.

If you are going to chart the negative outcomes due to choices made,...you also need to list the positive outcomes due to choices made.

We then can look @ the positives vs. the negatives and make a reasonable judgement.

But listing negative outcomes mean nothing.

Originally posted by DrEll:
Dont forget the botched 2 minute drill vs Dallas letting the clock dwindle down to nothing before the half.

What about this past game vs Philly where we DIDNT let the clock dwindle down before the half, threw an INT or fumbled, and gave up 7 points?

As I said,...this is just complaining. It reminds me of the injury thread complaining and whining everytime someone goes down with no legitimate discussion going on regarding all 32 teams.

Nothing but hindsight.

Well guess what,...the headcoach doesnt get to make decisions while knowing what happened next, like your judgements have the advantage of.

That's kind of a big difference, isint it?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by miked1978:
We can't win but we've been to what 3 out of the last 4 NFCCGs? LOL at webzone logic.

Sometimes you just need a little luck. Look how the Eagles just got in. They got lucky with us being down to our 4th string QB. The Chiefs got lucky with the Bengals. The Rams got lucky last year when Tartt dropped the would be int. Sometimes you just need a little luck.

Injury thread says

It's safe to say, the Football God's have saved all the luck for the other team. When it is our turn?

NC keep in mind, in the dynasty years, 49ers hosted the NFCCG eight times, winning 5 Superbowls. Meaning for eight times we had that bye, and 5 times won the Superbowl. Eagles had that bye, we didn't. I dont know if that would have avoided the Purdy injury, but I'm sure it would have helped. Key is just getting into the playoffs until Luck does come our way. Luck for us, this year, was retired. But maybe next year he un-retires.

Originally posted by miked1978:
We can't win but we've been to what 3 out of the last 4 NFCCGs? LOL at webzone logic.

Sometimes you just need a little luck. Look how the Eagles just got in. They got lucky with us being down to our 4th string QB. The Chiefs got lucky with the Bengals. The Rams got lucky last year when Tartt dropped the would be int. Sometimes you just need a little luck.

Yeah, 20 playoff appearances during the dynasty years a measly 5 Superbowls.

In other words, just keep showing up in the playoffs till Andrew un-retires.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by miked1978:
We can't win but we've been to what 3 out of the last 4 NFCCGs? LOL at webzone logic.

Sometimes you just need a little luck. Look how the Eagles just got in. They got lucky with us being down to our 4th string QB. The Chiefs got lucky with the Bengals. The Rams got lucky last year when Tartt dropped the would be int. Sometimes you just need a little luck.

Injury thread says

It's safe to say, the Football God's have saved all the luck for the other team. When it is our turn?

NC keep in mind, in the dynasty years, 49ers hosted the NFCCG eight times, winning 5 Superbowls. Meaning for eight times we had that bye, and 5 times won the Superbowl. Eagles had that bye, we didn't. I dont know if that would have avoided the Purdy injury, but I'm sure it would have helped. Key is just getting into the playoffs until Luck does come our way. Luck for us, this year, was retired. But maybe next year he un-retires.

It's like we traded good health for the entire team all year only to sacrifice Brock when it mattered most.

Originally posted by miked1978:
We can't win but we've been to what 3 out of the last 4 NFCCGs? LOL at webzone logic.

Sometimes you just need a little luck. Look how the Eagles just got in. They got lucky with us being down to our 4th string QB. The Chiefs got lucky with the Bengals. The Rams got lucky last year when Tartt dropped the would be int. Sometimes you just need a little luck.

As far as the Eagles go, they can't keep that level team together. They're apparently loosing multiple good players next year already. They're pulling a Rams more or less. They win the sb and Hurts will demand 400m. He's got the 50 lb 200k chain already. Even a modern, team friendly deal will cost them what, 40-50m per?. The other young stars are gonna demand a huge payday too.They need to win it this year. Hurt's ain't staying healthy if he can't learn to be a pocket passer at his size. We end up with a healthy Brock all year, add a rt tackle and stud opposite end rusher and we'll get home field throughout and get to the SB.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I don't know anymore if we can win with this? His scheme, blocking and play calling gets QB'S killed. He can't keep QB'S healthy over and over for years. Not sure we can win like that. Maybe we need a new direction. We are literally down to our 5th string QB CMC.

I'm sorry guys that's ridiculous. We may need a different direction.

I think every year, specially this year though, ShanaLynch has to review *everything* (philosophy, scheme, strategy, tactics) because they potentially have two elite QBs on their hands and injuries to them will be devastating.

I know Kyle can run any offense out there, but what is the one that is best for our QBs is the one offense Kyle should run. That also includes minimizing injuries.