49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Shanahan coaches to outsmart the opposing defenses with his playcalling. He completely leaves everything else to assistant coaches which is wrong. In big games, he gets outcoached overall in game decisions and game management. Either he needs to get more involved in all aspects of the coaching, or upgrade assistants where needed.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Football is also game of matches and mismatches too. The best coaches put their best guy against your worst guy. Happens all the time. Its a pretty common tactic. Both Brock and Slowik are rookies - i hope the experience teaches them a valuable lesson.

They had Woerner blocking Parsons and Lawrence a few times just a week earlier.

If you don't ever want the 49ers to run playaction again, sure you can guarantee that a TE won't end up blocking a DE.

To me the key is it worked in the Dallas game and was a disaster in the Eagles game. There are lessons to be learned for Purdy and Slowik. Just from my faulty recollection, they didnt do a lot of passing until the 2nd half in the Dallas game . Kyle was trying to pass from the Git Go in the Eagles game, or so it seemed.

It was working. Purdy had Aiyuk coming open for a huge gain on that play, possibly a TD.

It did not work. Purdy was injured, is my point. Potential vs actual, or theory vs practical, is my point. It may look good on paper, but sometimes it doesn't translate to the real world. Kyle just has to do a better job in selling the play action because clearly Hasson Riddick didn't buy Kyles con game.

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
Shanahan coaches to outsmart the opposing defenses with his playcalling. He completely leaves everything else to assistant coaches which is wrong. In big games, he gets outcoached overall in game decisions and game management. Either he needs to get more involved in all aspects of the coaching, or upgrade assistants where needed.

When your entire offense is based on smoke and mirrors, sometimes opposing defenses can guess right. He may have to modify basing his offense on smoke and mirrors and rely more on straight up overpowering the other team. He can do it now with Purdy and his super fast processing speed. Kyle can overpower the other team based on speed (like the Rams greatest show on turf) or continue with his smoke and mirrors offense. He has to figure it out and make a decision as to what's best for the team and his QB.

Originally posted by Giedi:
It did not work. Purdy was injured, is my point. Potential vs actual, or theory vs practical, is my point. It may look good on paper, but sometimes it doesn't translate to the real world. Kyle just has to do a better job in selling the play action because clearly Hasson Riddick didn't buy Kyles con game.

But it did work for what 8 weeks? Injuries happen and that particular injury doesnt happen often in the NFL.

We finally had a top 3 offense and you guys now want to blow it up.

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by Giedi:
It did not work. Purdy was injured, is my point. Potential vs actual, or theory vs practical, is my point. It may look good on paper, but sometimes it doesn't translate to the real world. Kyle just has to do a better job in selling the play action because clearly Hasson Riddick didn't buy Kyles con game.

But it did work for what 8 weeks? Injuries happen and that particular injury doesnt happen often in the NFL.

We finally had a top 3 offense and you guys now want to blow it up.

Not blow it up, just reevaluate it. I think you have to anyway considering Purdy is a top level QB and you want to enhance his skills *and* protect him at the same time. For example - Maybe he's so good at threading passes he may not need as much wide open windows and the play action pass may not be needed as much.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

There's a few decisions by Shanny that I question. Everybody gives him a pass because there was no chance without Brock being able to throw, but Kyle was pretty bad himself

Bad at what? What are you doing after you're down to QB4 then lose him? You can question not throwing a flag on that catch (without any view of the play), but what else? Objectively.

It's the NFCC and you're forced to toss out the 4th string then he's concussed. There is no game plan that you went over during the week that can all of a sudden be run efficiently. It was a worst case scenario. We don't have to force blame on everything.

Well you pointed out him not challenging a huge 4th down catch while the eagles are all hurrying to the line because they knew they didn't catch it.

Then there's allowing the play clock to run out when we got the ball to their 34 yd line. Literally took points off the board with that decision. To save a timeout so the disastrous Josh Johnson can get a last minute half time drive? Really?

Then there's decision to run 2 minute offense with Jj when we've seen him turtle up with better QBs. That was a risk in itself and it backfired. Going into HT down 7 would have been a win at that point.

Say Purdy regains feeling and comes back in the 2nd half. Kyle would have already made a few mistakes that put us in a hole.

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by Giedi:
It did not work. Purdy was injured, is my point. Potential vs actual, or theory vs practical, is my point. It may look good on paper, but sometimes it doesn't translate to the real world. Kyle just has to do a better job in selling the play action because clearly Hasson Riddick didn't buy Kyles con game.

But it did work for what 8 weeks? Injuries happen and that particular injury doesnt happen often in the NFL.

We finally had a top 3 offense and you guys now want to blow it up.

It makes no difference what type of offense you run. It always comes down to execution. If guys miss blocks or get the play call wrong then the whole play can get blown up. It's really hard to just line up and overpower other teams. It would require a rebuild of the O line and even then other teams can stop the play when the offense is simple and obvious. The league is more geared to passing than ever.

Guess we should just run max protect with Kittle in to block every time we want to throw.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Guess we should just run max protect with Kittle in to block every time we want to throw.

Offensive line should be the focus this off-season.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Guess we should just run max protect with Kittle in to block every time we want to throw.

Might have to. Kroft completely whiffed on that play.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
There's a few decisions by Shanny that I question. Everybody gives him a pass because there was no chance without Brock being able to throw, but Kyle was pretty bad himself

Bad at what? What are you doing after you're down to QB4 then lose him? You can question not throwing a flag on that catch (without any view of the play), but what else? Objectively.

It's the NFCC and you're forced to toss out the 4th string then he's concussed. There is no game plan that you went over during the week that can all of a sudden be run efficiently. It was a worst case scenario. We don't have to force blame on everything.

Well you pointed out him not challenging a huge 4th down catch while the eagles are all hurrying to the line because they knew they didn't catch it.

Then there's allowing the play clock to run out when we got the ball to their 34 yd line. Literally took points off the board with that decision. To save a timeout so the disastrous Josh Johnson can get a last minute half time drive? Really?

Then there's decision to run 2 minute offense with Jj when we've seen him turtle up with better QBs. That was a risk in itself and it backfired. Going into HT down 7 would have been a win at that point.

Say Purdy regains feeling and comes back in the 2nd half. Kyle would have already made a few mistakes that put us in a hole.

Really was a big backfire at end of half. 7 point hole feels doable. One weird bounce like the blocked punt vs GB last year and we are tied. 14 point hole with JJ completely rattled after the turnover felt like climbing Everest.

If the 9ers o line is top 5 in the league in pass protecting and yet qbs get hurt then shouldn't teams under them have similar if more injuries?

How are the Bengals surviving with Burrow getting hit?

Both Jalen Hurts and Pat Mahomes could've been out for the season too if the hits they took were just slightly different. Would that have been their o line or schemes fault?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Really was a big backfire at end of half. 7 point hole feels doable. One weird bounce like the blocked punt vs GB last year and we are tied. 14 point hole with JJ completely rattled after the turnover felt like climbing Everest.

If Josh fumbles a running snap you'd blame Kyle for not taking a knee. How it goes.

Originally posted by Giedi:
It did not work. Purdy was injured, is my point. Potential vs actual, or theory vs practical, is my point. It may look good on paper, but sometimes it doesn't translate to the real world. Kyle just has to do a better job in selling the play action because clearly Hasson Riddick didn't buy Kyles con game.

There's a risk of injury for every single snap in football.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Really was a big backfire at end of half. 7 point hole feels doable. One weird bounce like the blocked punt vs GB last year and we are tied. 14 point hole with JJ completely rattled after the turnover felt like climbing Everest.

If Josh fumbles a running snap you'd blame Kyle for not taking a knee. How it goes.

His decisions gave them points/took points off the board for us. He was bad man, there's just no way around it