49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by PowderdToastMn:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
We need to get an OC.

Why, what is Shanahan doing wrong? Is he not coaching his LB's and CB's right or is he not coaching the O-line to run block?

I think the team would benefit from having a OC to assist in coordinating and game planning for the offense. This is shanny's first HC gig ever at any level so he should focus on getting down the nuances of the job. There is nothing wrong with the HC delegating some duties.

Let's give it more than five games with Hoyer at QB, playing terribly before we say it is a failure.

Well yeah. We have no choice but to wait.

But what I'm getting at is that managing the game and game situations look to be a small problem if at all. I think that talent overall, talent at the QB position and a rookie DC have played a part in this team being 0-5. 49ers have lost 4 outta 5 games by 3 points or less, believe it or not, Shanahan is managing the games well. And beleive it or not Shanahan sorta has an OC in Mike LaFleur who is the passing game specialist and Mike McDaniel who is the run game specialist. Sure Shanahan may call the plays but I also think they play a big part with play selection.

Originally posted by valrod33:

Year Rank QB
2008-17th Matt Schaub
2009-10th Matt Schaub
2010-25th Mcnabb
2011-26th Grossman
2012-4th RG3
2013-23rd RG3
2014-27th Hoyer
2015-21st Ryan
2016-1st Ryan

Its not like he has been working with HOFers. Schaub, RG3, Hoyer and Ryan all had the best years of their careers with Shanahan.

So Shanahan brought in the QB that he had his worst year as an OC with?

Also, he took a team with Matt Ryan and Julio Jones to the 21st ranked offense?

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Follower:

70% of the teams coordinated by KS are in the bottom half of the league in points scored....

Year Rank QB
2008-17th Matt Schaub
2009-10th Matt Schaub
2010-25th Mcnabb
2011-26th Grossman
2012-4th RG3
2013-23rd RG3
2014-27th Hoyer
2015-21st Ryan
2016-1st Ryan

Its not like he has been working with HOFers. Schaub, RG3, Hoyer and Ryan all had the best years of their careers with Shanahan.

Hoyer was terrible with Shanahan in CLE:
55.3 comp %
More INT than TD
76 passer rating
Looks familiar

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Follower:
70% of the teams coordinated by KS are in the bottom half of the league in points scored....

Year Rank QB
2008-17th Matt Schaub
2009-10th Matt Schaub
2010-25th Mcnabb
2011-26th Grossman
2012-4th RG3
2013-23rd RG3
2014-27th Hoyer
2015-21st Ryan
2016-1st Ryan

Its not like he has been working with HOFers. Schaub, RG3, Hoyer and Ryan all had the best years of their careers with Shanahan.

Hoyer was terrible with Shanahan in CLE:
55.3 comp %
More INT than TD
76 passer rating
Looks familiar

First of all that was Cleveland a Mike Pettine team if you will. lol .Second, Brian Hoyer help guide them to a 7-7 record that year in 14 starts, his first and only year with Shanahan. Brian Hoyer was the last successful QB they've had since Derek Anderson in 2007.

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Year Rank QB
2008-17th Matt Schaub
2009-10th Matt Schaub
2010-25th Mcnabb
2011-26th Grossman
2012-4th RG3
2013-23rd RG3
2014-27th Hoyer
2015-21st Ryan
2016-1st Ryan

Its not like he has been working with HOFers. Schaub, RG3, Hoyer and Ryan all had the best years of their careers with Shanahan.

So Shanahan brought in the QB that he had his worst year as an OC with?

Also, he took a team with Matt Ryan and Julio Jones to the 21st ranked offense?

The Falcons offense like the Texans offense improved from year 1 to year 2 as the QB became more comfortable within the scheme.

Exception is RG3 who regressed and was a bad pick forced upon that staff by Snyder.

He brought in Hoyer for system familiarity. Someone who already had an understanding of the offense making it easier on the install of it in year one. He did not like the QB's at the top of the draft for his system and scheme and FA did not hold any magical options.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Follower:

70% of the teams coordinated by KS are in the bottom half of the league in points scored....

Year Rank QB
2008-17th Matt Schaub
2009-10th Matt Schaub
2010-25th Mcnabb
2011-26th Grossman
2012-4th RG3
2013-23rd RG3
2014-27th Hoyer
2015-21st Ryan
2016-1st Ryan

Its not like he has been working with HOFers. Schaub, RG3, Hoyer and Ryan all had the best years of their careers with Shanahan.

Hoyer was terrible with Shanahan in CLE:
55.3 comp %
More INT than TD
76 passer rating
Looks familiar

First of all that was Cleveland a Mike Pettine team if you will. lol .Second, Brian Hoyer help guide them to a 7-7 record that year in 14 starts, his first and only year with Shanahan. Brian Hoyer was the last successful QB they've had since Derek Anderson in 2007.

Sorry man but I don't see success in any of those numbers including that 7-7 record. He was terrible. He was much better in Chicago, Houston and under Turner IMO.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Year Rank QB
2008-17th Matt Schaub
2009-10th Matt Schaub
2010-25th Mcnabb
2011-26th Grossman
2012-4th RG3
2013-23rd RG3
2014-27th Hoyer
2015-21st Ryan
2016-1st Ryan

Its not like he has been working with HOFers. Schaub, RG3, Hoyer and Ryan all had the best years of their careers with Shanahan.

So Shanahan brought in the QB that he had his worst year as an OC with?

Also, he took a team with Matt Ryan and Julio Jones to the 21st ranked offense?

The Falcons offense like the Texans offense improved from year 1 to year 2 as the QB became more comfortable within the scheme.

Exception is RG3 who regressed and was a bad pick forced upon that staff by Snyder.

He brought in Hoyer for system familiarity. Someone who already had an understanding of the offense making it easier on the install of it in year one. He did not like the QB's at the top of the draft for his system and scheme and FA did not hold any magical options.

This is my biggest concern with Shanahan. I worry he will not be able to identify a good qb he likes in the draft.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:

Originally posted by valrod33:
Year Rank QB
2008-17th Matt Schaub
2009-10th Matt Schaub
2010-25th Mcnabb
2011-26th Grossman
2012-4th RG3
2013-23rd RG3
2014-27th Hoyer
2015-21st Ryan
2016-1st Ryan

Its not like he has been working with HOFers. Schaub, RG3, Hoyer and Ryan all had the best years of their careers with Shanahan.

So Shanahan brought in the QB that he had his worst year as an OC with?

Also, he took a team with Matt Ryan and Julio Jones to the 21st ranked offense?

The Falcons offense like the Texans offense improved from year 1 to year 2 as the QB became more comfortable within the scheme.

Exception is RG3 who regressed and was a bad pick forced upon that staff by Snyder.

He brought in Hoyer for system familiarity. Someone who already had an understanding of the offense making it easier on the install of it in year one. He did not like the QB's at the top of the draft for his system and scheme and FA did not hold any magical options.

Yup!!!

And this past years free agent QB's were:

Kirk Cousins - Franchise with that exclusive crap!!

Jay Cutler - No thanks that's Adam Gase' boy.

Mike Glennon - Who is benched already!!!

Then the next best was and most productive was Brian Hoyer, familiarity played a huge part in the signing sooooooo?

Not to mention, Shanahan did pick up Matt Barkley, not his fault his hand chosen draft pick beat him out. Instead of knocking Shanahan for the QB position, this is the time he should've gotten praise for. No one ever would've thought before Preseason even started that Beathard would beat out Barkley.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Yup!!!

And this past years free agent QB's were:

Kirk Cousins - Franchise with that exclusive crap!!

Jay Cutler - No thanks that's Adam Gase' boy.

Mike Glennon - Who is benched already!!!

Then the next best was and most productive was Brian Hoyer, familiarity played a huge part in the signing sooooooo?

Not to mention, Shanahan did pick up Matt Barkley, not his fault his hand chosen draft pick beat him out. Instead of knocking Shanahan for the QB position, this is the time he should've gotten praise for. No one ever would've thought before Preseason even started that Beathard would beat out Barkley.

VERY good call!

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Follower:

70% of the teams coordinated by KS are in the bottom half of the league in points scored....

Year Rank QB
2008-17th Matt Schaub
2009-10th Matt Schaub
2010-25th Mcnabb
2011-26th Grossman
2012-4th RG3
2013-23rd RG3
2014-27th Hoyer
2015-21st Ryan
2016-1st Ryan

Its not like he has been working with HOFers. Schaub, RG3, Hoyer and Ryan all had the best years of their careers with Shanahan.

Hoyer was terrible with Shanahan in CLE:
55.3 comp %
More INT than TD
76 passer rating
Looks familiar

They've said before that the offense fell apart when Mack got injured. Hoyer couldn't handle the pressure he got.

7td and 1 int thru the first 5 games with Mack.

After Mack went down he had 5 td and 12 int

It's not a coincidence that ATL went out and got Mack in 2016.

I can live with the path he chose at qb (wait for Cousins, 18 qb crop) but he's assembling us to resemble his Washington team and that's a disappointment to me. A lot of yards, a lot of field goals a problem that's plagued Wsh even after Shanny left.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Year Rank QB
2008-17th Matt Schaub
2009-10th Matt Schaub
2010-25th Mcnabb
2011-26th Grossman
2012-4th RG3
2013-23rd RG3
2014-27th Hoyer
2015-21st Ryan
2016-1st Ryan

Its not like he has been working with HOFers. Schaub, RG3, Hoyer and Ryan all had the best years of their careers with Shanahan.

So Shanahan brought in the QB that he had his worst year as an OC with?

Also, he took a team with Matt Ryan and Julio Jones to the 21st ranked offense?

The Falcons offense like the Texans offense improved from year 1 to year 2 as the QB became more comfortable within the scheme.

Exception is RG3 who regressed and was a bad pick forced upon that staff by Snyder.

He brought in Hoyer for system familiarity. Someone who already had an understanding of the offense making it easier on the install of it in year one. He did not like the QB's at the top of the draft for his system and scheme and FA did not hold any magical options.

This is my biggest concern with Shanahan. I worry he will not be able to identify a good qb he likes in the draft.

He identified Cousins when everyone else was eating up the RG3 hype. He also like Jimmy G and Carr when Cleveland wanted Manziel.

I don't think he will have that issue. Its about timing and ability to get whoever that kid is. Can you get a draft trade done if needed ?

He may like Rosen or Darnold, or perhaps someone else in that class. Perhaps CJB is our long term answer and we just dont know it yet. Maybe Cousins will be the answer. There are much better options this offseason on the surface at this point in time.



Good post Kolohe.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

I can live with the path he chose at qb (wait for Cousins, 18 qb crop) but he's assembling us to resemble his Washington team and that's a disappointment to me. A lot of yards, a lot of field goals a problem that's plagued Wsh even after Shanny left.

I will always argue that points are a product of QB skill and time in the scheme. Especially from a ground up rebuild. When you get a quality Qb and have him in place for a while the points will follow. O

Originally posted by Niners816:
I will always argue that points are a product of QB skill and time in the scheme. Especially from a ground up rebuild. When you get a quality Qb and have him in place for a while the points will follow. O

Cousins is Wsh qb and he'll probably be ours. Wsh gets yards but maxed at 12th in points not sure why you think it will be different here when we're assembling a bootleg version of their o.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:

Originally posted by valrod33:
Year Rank QB
2008-17th Matt Schaub
2009-10th Matt Schaub
2010-25th Mcnabb
2011-26th Grossman
2012-4th RG3
2013-23rd RG3
2014-27th Hoyer
2015-21st Ryan
2016-1st Ryan

Its not like he has been working with HOFers. Schaub, RG3, Hoyer and Ryan all had the best years of their careers with Shanahan.

So Shanahan brought in the QB that he had his worst year as an OC with?

Also, he took a team with Matt Ryan and Julio Jones to the 21st ranked offense?

The Falcons offense like the Texans offense improved from year 1 to year 2 as the QB became more comfortable within the scheme.

Exception is RG3 who regressed and was a bad pick forced upon that staff by Snyder.

He brought in Hoyer for system familiarity. Someone who already had an understanding of the offense making it easier on the install of it in year one. He did not like the QB's at the top of the draft for his system and scheme and FA did not hold any magical options.

This is my biggest concern with Shanahan. I worry he will not be able to identify a good qb he likes in the draft.

He identified Cousins when everyone else was eating up the RG3 hype. He also like Jimmy G and Carr when Cleveland wanted Manziel.

I don't think he will have that issue. Its about timing and ability to get whoever that kid is. Can you get a draft trade done if needed ?

He may like Rosen or Darnold, or perhaps someone else in that class. Perhaps CJB is our long term answer and we just dont know it yet. Maybe Cousins will be the answer. There are much better options this offseason on the surface at this point in time.

Good post Kolohe.

Thanks, you also bring up some good points. It was mentioned that yes he did like Jimmy G. and Carr coming outta college, too bad Pettine chose hype over listening to Shanahan.

And I can't wait for the 2018 off season, gonna be a lot of 9er news in March and April!!!!

Watch Shanahan and Lynch do the unthinkable and pry Jimmy G. from the hands of Belichick!!!