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Originally posted by tjd808185:Cousins is Wsh qb and he'll probably be ours. Wsh gets yards but maxed at 12th in points not sure why you think it will be different here when we're assembling a bootleg version of their o.
Originally posted by AlexCat49er:
Also, he took a team with Matt Ryan and Julio Jones to the 21st ranked offense?
Originally posted by captveg:Originally posted by AlexCat49er:Also, he took a team with Matt Ryan and Julio Jones to the 21st ranked offense?
Just goes to show that immediate perfection with his offense was never likely. There's a learning curve.
But we knew this going into the season.
Originally posted by Niners816:
Huh? A bootleg version of their O? Their offense hasn't been Kyle's offense since 2013. We would have no clue what a 5-6 year Cousins would look like in Kyle's scheme with him calling the plays. Cousins would be familiar with Kyle's offense for sure but no caller is the same.
Originally posted by tjd808185:Originally posted by Niners816:Huh? A bootleg version of their O? Their offense hasn't been Kyle's offense since 2013. We would have no clue what a 5-6 year Cousins would look like in Kyle's scheme with him calling the plays. Cousins would be familiar with Kyle's offense for sure but no caller is the same.
The talent Wsh has been working with the past few years is pretty much all Shanny's. They got better but had the same issues Shanny had in Wsh. If you look at what we're doing here Cousins, Garcon, Goodwin (Jackson), Kittle (Reed). We're recreating Wsh. It stresses you vertically but as the field shrinks so do the results. Cousins isn't a Manning or Brady level qb to make up for it. We will be kicking alot more fg's with the personnel he's acquiring.
Originally posted by Niners816:
But Kyle's hasn't called plays with their personnel for 4 years.....again, we have no clue what points woulda been scored had it been Kyle's offense for an additional 4 seasons.
Originally posted by tjd808185:Originally posted by Niners816:But Kyle's hasn't called plays with their personnel for 4 years.....again, we have no clue what points woulda been scored had it been Kyle's offense for an additional 4 seasons.
They got fired for failure to score. You don't get to see your vision out in that scenario. But Wsh did get an equal offensive mind who encountered the same problems. My point is we're not building Atl I wouldn't except Atl results.
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by Niners816:
But Kyle's hasn't called plays with their personnel for 4 years.....again, we have no clue what points woulda been scored had it been Kyle's offense for an additional 4 seasons.
They got fired for failure to score. You don't get to see your vision out in that scenario. But Wsh did get a very good offensive mind to replace him who encountered the same problems. My point is I see us closer to Wsh than Atl in results because that's what we're building.
The source said Shanahan had grown tired of the way Snyder empowered Griffin and openly esteemed him above all other players. Shanahan didn't blame Griffin but did blame Snyder for creating an atmosphere that Shanahan did not believe was conducive to winning. Shanahan privately told people close to him that he felt Snyder's behavior with regard to Griffin was a "complete farce."
In spite of that, Shanahan believed he would be leaving the team on a very positive note, as the Redskins had won the NFC East in his third year as their coach and were preparing for a playoff run. He believed the team had come together and shown strong character during the seven-game winning streak on which it ended the regular season.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
The source said Shanahan had grown tired of the way Snyder empowered Griffin and openly esteemed him above all other players. Shanahan didn't blame Griffin but did blame Snyder for creating an atmosphere that Shanahan did not believe was conducive to winning. Shanahan privately told people close to him that he felt Snyder's behavior with regard to Griffin was a "complete farce."
In spite of that, Shanahan believed he would be leaving the team on a very positive note, as the Redskins had won the NFC East in his third year as their coach and were preparing for a playoff run. He believed the team had come together and shown strong character during the seven-game winning streak on which it ended the regular season.
That was all Snyder and RG3 who forced the Shanahan's out the door!!!
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/10101919/mike-shanahan-was-ready-quit-washington-redskins-2012-season
Originally posted by tjd808185:Originally posted by Kolohe:
The source said Shanahan had grown tired of the way Snyder empowered Griffin and openly esteemed him above all other players. Shanahan didn't blame Griffin but did blame Snyder for creating an atmosphere that Shanahan did not believe was conducive to winning. Shanahan privately told people close to him that he felt Snyder's behavior with regard to Griffin was a "complete farce."
In spite of that, Shanahan believed he would be leaving the team on a very positive note, as the Redskins had won the NFC East in his third year as their coach and were preparing for a playoff run. He believed the team had come together and shown strong character during the seven-game winning streak on which it ended the regular season.
That was all Snyder and RG3 who forced the Shanahan's out the door!!!
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/10101919/mike-shanahan-was-ready-quit-washington-redskins-2012-season
3-13 final year. 23rd scoring o, 30th d. Blame whoever you want for forcing Griffin but they failed across the board.
Originally posted by Niners816:
Then the following year with the new coaches they scored less, gained less yards and had less first downs with similar personnel
Originally posted by tjd808185:Originally posted by Niners816:Then the following year with the new coaches they scored less, gained less yards and had less first downs with similar personnel
Kind like how Atl's o dipped 1st year under Shanny. Almost as if installing an offense takes time.
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by AlexCat49er:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Year Rank QB
2008-17th Matt Schaub
2009-10th Matt Schaub
2010-25th Mcnabb
2011-26th Grossman
2012-4th RG3
2013-23rd RG3
2014-27th Hoyer
2015-21st Ryan
2016-1st Ryan
Its not like he has been working with HOFers. Schaub, RG3, Hoyer and Ryan all had the best years of their careers with Shanahan.
So Shanahan brought in the QB that he had his worst year as an OC with?
Also, he took a team with Matt Ryan and Julio Jones to the 21st ranked offense?
The Falcons offense like the Texans offense improved from year 1 to year 2 as the QB became more comfortable within the scheme.
Exception is RG3 who regressed and was a bad pick forced upon that staff by Snyder.
He brought in Hoyer for system familiarity. Someone who already had an understanding of the offense making it easier on the install of it in year one. He did not like the QB's at the top of the draft for his system and scheme and FA did not hold any magical options.
This is my biggest concern with Shanahan. I worry he will not be able to identify a good qb he likes in the draft.
He identified Cousins when everyone else was eating up the RG3 hype. He also like Jimmy G and Carr when Cleveland wanted Manziel.
I don't think he will have that issue. Its about timing and ability to get whoever that kid is. Can you get a draft trade done if needed ?
He may like Rosen or Darnold, or perhaps someone else in that class. Perhaps CJB is our long term answer and we just dont know it yet. Maybe Cousins will be the answer. There are much better options this offseason on the surface at this point in time.
Good post Kolohe.
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Originally posted by Ensatsu:
Originally posted by defenderDX:
http://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/1753-why-being-0-5-good-thing/
I've honestly never seen a more disgusting headline. I want to throw up.
