49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by thl408:
Are we are talking Kyle's offensive scheme or defense too? Because if it's just offense, which I've been focusing on when you mention "Kyle's scheme", then that AGL list should be tailored to just offensive players. I'm not asking you to do that, just that the list is not relevant to what you and I have been discussing about Kyle's scheme. I was hoping that was clear when I listed a bunch of offensive characteristics in the post above - we're talking offensive scheme.

I just can't get on board with the bolded about how thinking more results in more injuries. I can't prove you wrong though.

I agree with you that there is no one single answer. But I have not seen evidence that it's the offensive scheme that promotes more injury. I don't know what to call this type of logic you are using - "People that breathe oxygen will die". Whatever the term is, I feel like that's the logic being applied by saying, "Players in Kyle's scheme are more likely to get injured". It's looking at the result, then pointing to some reason that is related, but can't be proven to play a role.

This might surprise you, but Kyle's scheme isn't some unorthodox style of offense. The most unique thing about Kyle's scheme is the players he's using to execute it. Sure he lines up players in different positions, but then now we're talking about how Deebo in the backfield running to the flat, or CMC running a slant from the slot promotes more injuries.

No, just offense. I was just using the Harbaugh regime to show the delineation of scheme-health. Granted, with the overall volume, all gas, no brakes could easily be part of the discussion as well in the total volume that makes up your annual AGL stats.

No worries on the hesitation thing...was just typing out loud there, picturing young rookies trying to play while thinking and what can happen within the speed of the NFL.

The results are a very consistent and an even predictable pattern that shows an extreme outlier position. Looking at all of the different factors that play into that makeup, scheme being one of those, is appropriate. At the end of the day, it's probably a collection of everything that makes up the outlier results (e.g. scheme, players targeted for the scheme, strength and conditioning, Fsyical mantra, volume of runs, volume of snaps counts with deep runs in the playoffs, player skill sets, player in-game decision making, luck, mindset to fight for the extra yard or take the sacrificial hit while throwing vs. making a business decision, etc.).

Appreciate the discussion either way though.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I like this guy

7 years in and still not a single 1st or 2nd rd draft pick used on the secondary via draft or trade by the team. I can guarantee the 9ers are the only team that has done that. Yet never once is Kyle or Lynch criticized for that. THAT is a legit criticism. THAT is the blindspot.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Kyle Shanahan on Trent Williams: "I'd be really surprised if Trent wasn't fired up in a few weeks"

Oh great. This is going to become another Alex Mack situation, huh? LOL

I don't see how it is. Mack was not the same player anymore and was pretty banged up by the end of his career.

Trent looks like he can still play at an elite level for a couple more years and isn't in constant pain.

Oh, I just meant where Trent is waiting to decide his future and then they get caught with their pants down when he retires days before the season starts. Just the fact he's thinking about it should prompt the FO to start planning now...and no, Colton McKivitz is not the answer. LOL

Its obvious that the 49ers need to infuse the Offensive Line with some talent. Anybody looking at Trents age and knows the positon he plays - clearly there is a need there.

Clearly it's not.

How many draft picks have gone to the offensive line in previous drafts? Seems like it's 2 a year. Obviously they have tried any blank can see that

Like with RB, it's not how many you draft in the 3rd round. It's the standard. That's why they gave up and went and got CMC. And Trent. How many did they develop with all those picks? 1? Banks? Unless you think MM is a well developed first rounder.

So you think we should just keep trading future assets for expensive proven vets. Genius tell me more.

LOL. No, I'm saying it's about the standard in general. Acquire it how you have too. They chose not to draft CMC and went a different route. It didn't work out even when they threw high picks at it (a 3rd RD RB is like a 1st RD RB these days). So they gave up and traded for CMC. Do whatchu gotta do if you wanna win it all and get over that hump.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Kyle Shanahan on Trent Williams: "I'd be really surprised if Trent wasn't fired up in a few weeks"

Oh great. This is going to become another Alex Mack situation, huh? LOL

I don't see how it is. Mack was not the same player anymore and was pretty banged up by the end of his career.

Trent looks like he can still play at an elite level for a couple more years and isn't in constant pain.

Oh, I just meant where Trent is waiting to decide his future and then they get caught with their pants down when he retires days before the season starts. Just the fact he's thinking about it should prompt the FO to start planning now...and no, Colton McKivitz is not the answer. LOL

Its obvious that the 49ers need to infuse the Offensive Line with some talent. Anybody looking at Trents age and knows the positon he plays - clearly there is a need there.

Clearly it's not.

How many draft picks have gone to the offensive line in previous drafts? Seems like it's 2 a year. Obviously they have tried any blank can see that

Like with RB, it's not how many you draft in the 3rd round. It's the standard. That's why they gave up and went and got CMC. And Trent. How many did they develop with all those picks? 1? Banks? Unless you think MM is a well developed first rounder.

Brendel and Brunskill were UDFA we developed. We got more out of Tomlinson than Detroit did. Plus Banks.

Begun the development of Burford, Zakelj and Poe.

Do any of them meet your standard for when we need them to face the Chris Jones,' Dallas' and Philly's of the world in the playoffs?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by thl408:
Are we are talking Kyle's offensive scheme or defense too? Because if it's just offense, which I've been focusing on when you mention "Kyle's scheme", then that AGL list should be tailored to just offensive players. I'm not asking you to do that, just that the list is not relevant to what you and I have been discussing about Kyle's scheme. I was hoping that was clear when I listed a bunch of offensive characteristics in the post above - we're talking offensive scheme.

I just can't get on board with the bolded about how thinking more results in more injuries. I can't prove you wrong though.

I agree with you that there is no one single answer. But I have not seen evidence that it's the offensive scheme that promotes more injury. I don't know what to call this type of logic you are using - "People that breathe oxygen will die". Whatever the term is, I feel like that's the logic being applied by saying, "Players in Kyle's scheme are more likely to get injured". It's looking at the result, then pointing to some reason that is related, but can't be proven to play a role.

This might surprise you, but Kyle's scheme isn't some unorthodox style of offense. The most unique thing about Kyle's scheme is the players he's using to execute it. Sure he lines up players in different positions, but then now we're talking about how Deebo in the backfield running to the flat, or CMC running a slant from the slot promotes more injuries.

It's the Bermuda Triangle conundrum

"Boats disappeared so it has to be the Bermuda Triangle"

"How do you know?"

"Because the boats disappeared"

So if thousands of vehicles disappear in one area on the planet, we just say, "Man, those captains just weren't lucky?" No point in looking at all the potential reasons for why that is.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Its obvious that the 49ers need to infuse the Offensive Line with some talent. Anybody looking at Trents age and knows the positon he plays - clearly there is a need there.

Look the reality is they aren't gonna get a blue chip tackle replacement for Trent until 2024. You aren't getting some elite tackle with pick 98 in all likelihood.

5th in pass block efficiency. 6th fewest sacks. 10th fewest qb hits. It isn't as dire as the narrative wants it to be.

I'm all for adding talent but it's not the only spot that needs it. Secondary needs it more IMO. Literally don't have a free safety or even a guy who can realistically play it under contract.

I like this guy

Would like to resign Ward and Moseley, get another FS into the pipeline via the draft and add another CB either in FA or draft .

I don't think Ward is gonna have a very hot market when he hits Free Agency but a bridge may have been burnt being told to either play slot or get splinters.

Agreed. One trend we've seen is there is a surplus of FA S's. I haven't looked this year but he and Tartt have been caught in that web before. We'll see. I think like Hoov said, Moseley is most likely because they can moneyball him.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Meanwhile KS got a fix for the QB injury problem.. give me more QB roster spots.. source NFL.com

Head coach Kyle Shanahan would like to see the NFL respond by allowing teams to prepare for an emergency like the one his 49ers encountered last Sunday, perhaps by permitting an emergency third quarterback to dress on game day, but not count against the 46-man limit.
"Definitely would be in favor of it," Shanahan said Wednesday. "We were scared to death when that rule ended, whatever many years ago that was. You kind of forget about it since you don't see anyone have to go through it, but then you get reminded of how quickly a football game is over once that happens. So I think that would be a very smart thing to have."

He personally needs that for every position too so he doesn't have to carry 3 QB's, 4 TE's, 5 RB's, 10 OL, etc. LOL

But yeah, agreed, QB would be the key. Although the NFL could push back and say, "But you're the only one who's needed it in the last 150 years."

NFLN still adding salt to the wounds the last 2 days. Shows Kyle's ATL Superbowl loss immediately followed by our Superbowl loss to KC. Dafuq!

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Franchise408:
lmao Kyle Shanahan took this team to the NFC Championship with a 3rd string QB, and it took losing the 3rd AND 4th string QB's in the same game and having literally 0 QB's to finally beat him, and people are talking about how Shanahan is the problem.

Not that anyone here can do anything about keeping or firing Shanny.. We all can just POSTS and share our opinion..

Bottom line is, no one remembers being 2nd place .. well, unless you're a fan of Shanny.

LOL. You're certainly not a fan of Kyle, yet you bring him up constantly. Obsess much?

Originally posted by NCommand:
So if thousands of vehicles disappear in one area on the planet, we just say, "Man, those captains just weren't lucky?" No point in looking at all the potential reasons for why that is.

Who said don't look at it?

Thing is you aren't "looking at it". You just see the results and make conclusions.

So yes making a conclusion that it's the Bermuda Triangle without trying to actually investigate is an issue.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Kyle Shanahan on Trent Williams: "I'd be really surprised if Trent wasn't fired up in a few weeks"

Oh great. This is going to become another Alex Mack situation, huh? LOL

I don't see how it is. Mack was not the same player anymore and was pretty banged up by the end of his career.

Trent looks like he can still play at an elite level for a couple more years and isn't in constant pain.

Oh, I just meant where Trent is waiting to decide his future and then they get caught with their pants down when he retires days before the season starts. Just the fact he's thinking about it should prompt the FO to start planning now...and no, Colton McKivitz is not the answer. LOL

Its obvious that the 49ers need to infuse the Offensive Line with some talent. Anybody looking at Trents age and knows the positon he plays - clearly there is a need there.

Clearly it's not.

How many draft picks have gone to the offensive line in previous drafts? Seems like it's 2 a year. Obviously they have tried any blank can see that

Like with RB, it's not how many you draft in the 3rd round. It's the standard. That's why they gave up and went and got CMC. And Trent. How many did they develop with all those picks? 1? Banks? Unless you think MM is a well developed first rounder.

Brendel and Brunskill were UDFA we developed. We got more out of Tomlinson than Detroit did. Plus Banks.

Begun the development of Burford, Zakelj and Poe.

Do any of them meet your standard for when we need them to face the Chris Jones,' Dallas' and Philly's of the world in the playoffs?

Bud, you can't develop every prospect into an eraser for Chris Jones who is one of the leagues best as his position.

So you don't get move the goalposts because it's required to push the narrative. We developed the guys I listed...and we all know not everyone develops into a starter, let alone an All Pro type.

Originally posted by evil:
Bud, you can't develop every prospect into an eraser for Chris Jones who is one of the leagues best as his position.

So you don't get move the goalposts because it's required to push the narrative. We developed the guys I listed...and we all know not everyone develops into a starter, let alone an All Pro type.

Every OL must be an All Pro. Look at the Chiefs. They never struggle to protect for Mahomes

Average to slightly above average QB is perfectly acceptable though.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
So if thousands of vehicles disappear in one area on the planet, we just say, "Man, those captains just weren't lucky?" No point in looking at all the potential reasons for why that is.

Who said don't look at it?

This is all we're doing. You instantly dismissing a potential piece to it and chalking everything up to luck is really, the only issue.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by evil:
Bud, you can't develop every prospect into an eraser for Chris Jones who is one of the leagues best as his position.

So you don't get move the goalposts because it's required to push the narrative. We developed the guys I listed...and we all know not everyone develops into a starter, let alone an All Pro type.

Every OL must be playing at an elite level. Look at the Chiefs. They never struggle to protect for Mahomes

Average to slightly above average QB is perfectly acceptable though.

Isn't that what we had/have? So if you have the bold, you need the italicized.

Chris Jones has Joe Burrow agreeing.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Kyle Shanahan on Trent Williams: "I'd be really surprised if Trent wasn't fired up in a few weeks"

Oh great. This is going to become another Alex Mack situation, huh? LOL

I don't see how it is. Mack was not the same player anymore and was pretty banged up by the end of his career.

Trent looks like he can still play at an elite level for a couple more years and isn't in constant pain.

Oh, I just meant where Trent is waiting to decide his future and then they get caught with their pants down when he retires days before the season starts. Just the fact he's thinking about it should prompt the FO to start planning now...and no, Colton McKivitz is not the answer. LOL

Its obvious that the 49ers need to infuse the Offensive Line with some talent. Anybody looking at Trents age and knows the positon he plays - clearly there is a need there.

Clearly it's not.

How many draft picks have gone to the offensive line in previous drafts? Seems like it's 2 a year. Obviously they have tried any blank can see that

Like with RB, it's not how many you draft in the 3rd round. It's the standard. That's why they gave up and went and got CMC. And Trent. How many did they develop with all those picks? 1? Banks? Unless you think MM is a well developed first rounder.

Brendel and Brunskill were UDFA we developed. We got more out of Tomlinson than Detroit did. Plus Banks.

Begun the development of Burford, Zakelj and Poe.

Do any of them meet your standard for when we need them to face the Chris Jones,' Dallas' and Philly's of the world in the playoffs?

Bud, you can't develop every prospect into an eraser for Chris Jones who is one of the leagues best as his position.

So you don't get move the goalposts because it's required to push the narrative. We developed the guys I listed...and we all know not everyone develops into a starter, let alone an All Pro type.

Unfortunately that's exactly what we needed. Or at least a G who can PP and block him out of passing lanes while staying engaged so he can't jump up and knock down game-changing 3rd down passes FTW. Good depth players though.