49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Kyle Shanahan on Trent Williams: "I'd be really surprised if Trent wasn't fired up in a few weeks"

Oh great. This is going to become another Alex Mack situation, huh? LOL

I don't see how it is. Mack was not the same player anymore and was pretty banged up by the end of his career.

Trent looks like he can still play at an elite level for a couple more years and isn't in constant pain.

Oh, I just meant where Trent is waiting to decide his future and then they get caught with their pants down when he retires days before the season starts. Just the fact he's thinking about it should prompt the FO to start planning now...and no, Colton McKivitz is not the answer. LOL

Its obvious that the 49ers need to infuse the Offensive Line with some talent. Anybody looking at Trents age and knows the positon he plays - clearly there is a need there.

Clearly it's not.

How many draft picks have gone to the offensive line in previous drafts? Seems like it's 2 a year. Obviously they have tried any blank can see that

Like with RB, it's not how many you draft in the 3rd round. It's the standard. That's why they gave up and went and got CMC. And Trent. How many did they develop with all those picks? 1? Banks? Unless you think MM is a well developed first rounder.

Brendel and Brunskill were UDFA we developed. We got more out of Tomlinson than Detroit did. Plus Banks.

Begun the development of Burford, Zakelj and Poe.

Do any of them meet your standard for when we need them to face the Chris Jones,' Dallas' and Philly's of the world in the playoffs?

Bud, you can't develop every prospect into an eraser for Chris Jones who is one of the leagues best as his position.

So you don't get move the goalposts because it's required to push the narrative. We developed the guys I listed...and we all know not everyone develops into a starter, let alone an All Pro type.

Unfortunately that's exactly what we needed. Or at least a G who can PP and block him out of passing lanes while staying engaged so he can't jump up and knock down game-changing 3rd down passes FTW. Good depth players though.

So your going to avoid the original point I made and continue to talk about blocking one guy in one game from 3 years ago instead.

lol, let me introduce you to NC

LMAO.

Sooooo...

How about you? Do you have any actual thoughts on the matter other than just responses to my discussion points on the matter? Hoov? 9ers4eva? Hmmmm.

i guess you missed the point/part that dealt with reality. I can accept what happened and don't need to make anything up

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Nah it's called you doing what you do best. Make 1. unsubstantiated claims and 2. expect everyone to just lap it up because you fancy yourself a big football guy, 3. resort to condescension when they don't and 4. prove your ascertains wrong, then start moving goalposts and gaslighting to close things out. Every now and then you will give off the impression you are being open minded and/ or conceding, but in reality you are just repeating your exact same talking points and 5. conceding nothing. 6. Seems like a pretty disingenuous way of discussing things with folks. But as you like to say…that's OK

1. Nobody made unsubstantiated claims. We were discussing one of numerous potential items that could be contributing to actual substantiated facts.
2. LOL. What? That's how YOU interpret my discussion points.
3. Speaking of unsubstantiated.
4. More unsubstantiated claims. Nothing was proven wrong (or right).
5. There is/was nothing to "concede."
6. Thl wanted to explore my thoughts further. I obliged. What was disingenuous about it?

Would you like to join the discussion? Interject your own thoughts? I'm all ears.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Kyle Shanahan on Trent Williams: "I'd be really surprised if Trent wasn't fired up in a few weeks"

Oh great. This is going to become another Alex Mack situation, huh? LOL

I don't see how it is. Mack was not the same player anymore and was pretty banged up by the end of his career.

Trent looks like he can still play at an elite level for a couple more years and isn't in constant pain.

Oh, I just meant where Trent is waiting to decide his future and then they get caught with their pants down when he retires days before the season starts. Just the fact he's thinking about it should prompt the FO to start planning now...and no, Colton McKivitz is not the answer. LOL

Its obvious that the 49ers need to infuse the Offensive Line with some talent. Anybody looking at Trents age and knows the positon he plays - clearly there is a need there.

Clearly it's not.

How many draft picks have gone to the offensive line in previous drafts? Seems like it's 2 a year. Obviously they have tried any blank can see that

Like with RB, it's not how many you draft in the 3rd round. It's the standard. That's why they gave up and went and got CMC. And Trent. How many did they develop with all those picks? 1? Banks? Unless you think MM is a well developed first rounder.

Brendel and Brunskill were UDFA we developed. We got more out of Tomlinson than Detroit did. Plus Banks.

Begun the development of Burford, Zakelj and Poe.

Do any of them meet your standard for when we need them to face the Chris Jones,' Dallas' and Philly's of the world in the playoffs?

Bud, you can't develop every prospect into an eraser for Chris Jones who is one of the leagues best as his position.

So you don't get move the goalposts because it's required to push the narrative. We developed the guys I listed...and we all know not everyone develops into a starter, let alone an All Pro type.

Unfortunately that's exactly what we needed. Or at least a G who can PP and block him out of passing lanes while staying engaged so he can't jump up and knock down game-changing 3rd down passes FTW. Good depth players though.

So your going to avoid the original point I made and continue to talk about blocking one guy in one game from 3 years ago instead.

lol, let me introduce you to NC

LMAO.

Sooooo...

How about you? Do you have any actual thoughts on the matter other than just responses to my discussion points on the matter? Hoov? 9ers4eva? Hmmmm.

i guess you missed the point/part that dealt with reality. I can accept what happened and don't need to make anything up

We all know the reality.

Now, what are your thoughts on that reality, why it's an outlier and why it happens annually?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Kyle Shanahan on Trent Williams: "I'd be really surprised if Trent wasn't fired up in a few weeks"

Oh great. This is going to become another Alex Mack situation, huh? LOL

I don't see how it is. Mack was not the same player anymore and was pretty banged up by the end of his career.

Trent looks like he can still play at an elite level for a couple more years and isn't in constant pain.

Oh, I just meant where Trent is waiting to decide his future and then they get caught with their pants down when he retires days before the season starts. Just the fact he's thinking about it should prompt the FO to start planning now...and no, Colton McKivitz is not the answer. LOL

Its obvious that the 49ers need to infuse the Offensive Line with some talent. Anybody looking at Trents age and knows the positon he plays - clearly there is a need there.

Clearly it's not.

How many draft picks have gone to the offensive line in previous drafts? Seems like it's 2 a year. Obviously they have tried any blank can see that

Like with RB, it's not how many you draft in the 3rd round. It's the standard. That's why they gave up and went and got CMC. And Trent. How many did they develop with all those picks? 1? Banks? Unless you think MM is a well developed first rounder.

Brendel and Brunskill were UDFA we developed. We got more out of Tomlinson than Detroit did. Plus Banks.

Begun the development of Burford, Zakelj and Poe.

Do any of them meet your standard for when we need them to face the Chris Jones,' Dallas' and Philly's of the world in the playoffs?

Bud, you can't develop every prospect into an eraser for Chris Jones who is one of the leagues best as his position.

So you don't get move the goalposts because it's required to push the narrative. We developed the guys I listed...and we all know not everyone develops into a starter, let alone an All Pro type.

Unfortunately that's exactly what we needed. Or at least a G who can PP and block him out of passing lanes while staying engaged so he can't jump up and knock down game-changing 3rd down passes FTW. Good depth players though.

So your going to avoid the original point I made and continue to talk about blocking one guy in one game from 3 years ago instead.

lol, let me introduce you to NC

LMAO.

Sooooo...

How about you? Do you have any actual thoughts on the matter other than just responses to my discussion points on the matter? Hoov? 9ers4eva? Hmmmm.

i guess you missed the point/part that dealt with reality. I can accept what happened and don't need to make anything up

We all know the reality.

Now, what are your thoughts on that reality, why it's an outlier and why it happens annually?

the reality. If you play sports.. you are going to suffer sports injuries, minor and major.

We need to establish a rule where if anyone declares they want Kyle to get fired, they need to immediately provide a proposed replacement.

Long overdue, IMO. And I guarantee not a single one has an answer.

woof!

Originally posted by NCommand:
You should try it sometime. It's called a discussion. Two people discuss talking points on a challenging topic of reality, dive a little deeper into those points for clarity with an open mind, maybe agree or disagree with some or all points respectively after the discussion, and see how things trend over time. Maybe even revisit later.

If we needed one-line humor on the topic, we would just reach out to your wife.

I like Kyle Shanahan and I like the team they have built. I like his style of offense. I do not like his I'm smarter then you attitude, I know more then you do attitude. I think he need to be a little more humble and a lot more compassionate when some of this player get hurt. He sound like he take no responsibility for Trey Lance breaking this ankle, Not his fault Brock Purdy got arm hit and he was hurt. What do you want me to do. Next man up . I know some people are going to think I'm crazy, However this is Shanahans sixth year, He make the playoff and losses to better teams . If the goal is to make the playoff and lose, everything should stay the same. If you want to win the Supper Bowl I think some changes need to start happening. I think it time to promote John Lynch and hire a GM to take control of football team. If the new GM thinks its time to move on form Shanahan so be it. He needs someone to tell him you can't run your QB 17 time in one game..... Right now I do not think anyone will say anything to him.

Can't say that I'm surprised that you all are willing to do 7 more months of this s**t. Bless your little hearts. Not me. No sir!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
So if thousands of vehicles disappear in one area on the planet, we just say, "Man, those captains just weren't lucky?" No point in looking at all the potential reasons for why that is.

Who said don't look at it?

This is all we're doing. You instantly dismissing a potential piece to it and chalking everything up to luck is really, the only issue.

it's not all we're doing. it's what you are doing. You can't accept a guy getting hurt from not protecting himself.

Outside of thl, show me one other theory that's been presented other than luck and a gif.

How about you? Do you have any actual thoughts on the matter other than just responses to my discussion points on the matter? Hoov? 9ers4eva? Hmmmm.

WWe use skinny lineman. It gets our skill players killed. That's my theory.

And Kyle agrees! Hence why he moved to stronger G's with more powerful RB's upon moving more to IZ and power. Was this the healthiest the OL has ever been? Who knew?

The right three players plus brunskill are anorexic.

brendel does not weigh 300. burford does not officially weigh more than 300. brunskill does not weigh officially more than 300. and McG is possibly the leanest starting right tackle in football at 6'8" 310.

Kyle likes light guys because they can block in space. but they get beat up in pass pro and don't punish anyone in the run game. We've never had running backs healthy or qbs either. stop blaming jimmy and look at the facts. the skill guys are constantly getting sat on. that's why they hurt all the time.

players come in faster, and have less on their mind. does anyone know where our starting 5 avg weight is to the nfl?

obviously trent is fine. banks is a buffet king. not sure thats enough.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Nah it's called you doing what you do best. Make 1. unsubstantiated claims and 2. expect everyone to just lap it up because you fancy yourself a big football guy, 3. resort to condescension when they don't and 4. prove your ascertains wrong, then start moving goalposts and gaslighting to close things out. Every now and then you will give off the impression you are being open minded and/ or conceding, but in reality you are just repeating your exact same talking points and 5. conceding nothing. 6. Seems like a pretty disingenuous way of discussing things with folks. But as you like to say…that's OK

1. Nobody made unsubstantiated claims. We were discussing one of numerous potential items that could be contributing to actual substantiated facts.
2. LOL. What? That's how YOU interpret my discussion points.
3. Speaking of unsubstantiated.
4. More unsubstantiated claims. Nothing was proven wrong (or right).
5. There is/was nothing to "concede."
6. Thl wanted to explore my thoughts further. I obliged. What was disingenuous about it?

Would you like to join the discussion? Interject your own thoughts? I'm all ears.

Zero self awareness. . There was no discussion. he was trying to corral you to get a straight answer, or just sone sort of non generic, non fluff response, on very direct questions. As I said I have zero interest in trying have a discussion with you on these matters because when your mind is made up, any discussion with you is going to be disingenuous. Have a good night.

Anyone insinuating Kyles playcalling or scheme gets QBs injured clearly doesn't watch enough football across the league. Our pass pro was graded above average meaning our QBs have been more upright than most. It jus so happens that for 2 of our qbs at least, they got hit in awkward ways that caused serious injury. Around the league I've seem QBs get freaking destroyed regularly and still got up. That just wasn't the case with us.

Some people just can't admit that the only thing to blame is extremely bad luck. No they gotta have someone to blame. Honestly, it's understandable as its human nature to try to make sense of things that just have no explanation other than pure chance

Originally posted by scottym:
woof!

Originally posted by NCommand:
You should try it sometime. It's called a discussion. Two people discuss talking points on a challenging topic of reality, dive a little deeper into those points for clarity with an open mind, maybe agree or disagree with some or all points respectively after the discussion, and see how things trend over time. Maybe even revisit later.

If we needed one-line humor on the topic, we would just reach out to your wife.

Whoa missed this one. C'mon NC we just want to talk football

you can sort pff position stats by weight. mcg is tied with 8 other guys at bottom 30th % percentile in weight. how many below him are starters?

https://www.pff.com/nfl/grades/position/t

at guard brunskill and burford are bottom 5%
https://www.pff.com/nfl/grades/position/g

center brendel is bottom 5%
https://www.pff.com/nfl/grades/position/g

have to say in fairness kelce is lightest center at 295 ranked #1

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Anyone insinuating Kyles playcalling or scheme gets QBs injured clearly doesn't watch enough football across the league. Our pass pro was graded above average meaning our QBs have been more upright than most. It jus so happens that for 2 of our qbs at least, they got hit in awkward ways that caused serious injury. Around the league I've seem QBs get freaking destroyed regularly and still got up. That just wasn't the case with us.

Some people just can't admit that the only thing to blame is extremely bad luck. No they gotta have someone to blame. Honestly, it's understandable as its human nature to try to make sense of things that just have no explanation other than pure chance

I thought our OL was really good all season. It's never going to be perfect.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Anyone insinuating Kyles playcalling or scheme gets QBs injured clearly doesn't watch enough football across the league. Our pass pro was graded above average meaning our QBs have been more upright than most. It jus so happens that for 2 of our qbs at least, they got hit in awkward ways that caused serious injury. Around the league I've seem QBs get freaking destroyed regularly and still got up. That just wasn't the case with us.

Some people just can't admit that the only thing to blame is extremely bad luck. No they gotta have someone to blame. Honestly, it's understandable as its human nature to try to make sense of things that just have no explanation other than pure chance

I thought our OL was really good all season. It's never going to be perfect.

Yup, if purdy had been getting wrecked repeatedly the last few weeks there might be a valid point, but that wasn't the case.