49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I'd say ultimately Kyle is responsible for the entire team. But kyle is probably more involved with his WR's since that is his position of choice and most likely his expertise. However, player development is really the job of position coaches. How much credit should Kyle get for the development of each position group, including defense? As we have seen this past season with the hiring of Griese, Jimmy was having his best season yet and Brock came out looking like an elite QB.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Nice tidbit on Kyle from Ran Carthon.

"Mike's super knowledgeable of what it takes to build a team," Carthon says. "You're going to have kind of like what we had in San Francisco where Kyle [Shanahan] knows exactly what it takes to fit in his scheme, which I've always felt makes it easier for scouts to go scout, because you know exactly what you're going to look for. Mike has that same level of knowledge of what he wants and what he's looking for."

To illustrate that, Carthon raised how picky Shanahan is with receivers, and how focused he is with what he wants in them since he played the position.

"So this is what I call clear marching orders," Carthon says. "You knew the X was the fast, explosive guy that could take the top off the defense, that could stretch the field. You know the Z was the stronger guy that was going to be the more over-the-middle catch, balls-in-tight-spaces guy who can run after the catch. You knew the F was going to be the shifty guy that could win one-on-one, that can extend drives. Our scouts knew all that going in."

So Job No. 1, for Carthon, has been working with Vrabel to learn his specifics, the way he knew Shanahan's after six years with the Niners.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/02/06/ten-takeaways-tom-brady-retirement-frank-reich-sean-payton-mmqb

If only KS knew QBs like he does WRs

Kyle has won a lot of games with Jimmy and has had a great start with Brock at QB. We still don't even know what we have in Trey yet. So that statement is ignorant and uninformed. Do better.

plz my friend it's my opinion and it's informed by watching all our games for many years now feel free to disagree

that's what this is a fan forum to post our opinion. mine is that KS knows the WR position more than the QB position. He played WR. So naturally he gets it more. We are a bit of a WR factory; developing Deebo and BA very nicely, even JJ nicely. Gray next in the pipeline. I trust him highly in that regard. Cant say we are a QB factory or anything of the sort.

Before Deebo and Aiyuk, we were not a "WR factory". JJ is okay as a role player and Gray hasn't shown a damn thing as of yet. If you want to believe that Kyle doesn't know what he wants in a QB or cannot evaluate QB's, you are correct in that it is your opinion. But I just stated why I believe your opinion is flawed. As you are free to post your opinion, I am free to post my opinion based around your opinion.

Yeah and those guys developed under KS, clearly. So did JJ. JJ way overperformed his draft status I think he was a 7th rounder.

Would you argue KS is developing QB as well as he is WR, or less well, or better. I would say we are developing WRs better than we are QBs. Hard to argue otherwise, I thought this was a pretty common or majority opinion on here.

I'd say ultimately Kyle is responsible for the entire team. But kyle is probably more involved with his WR's since that is his position of choice and most likely his expertise. However, player development is really the job of position coaches. How much credit should Kyle get for the development of each position group, including defense? As we have seen this past season with the hiring of Griese, Jimmy was having his best season yet and Brock came out looking like an elite QB.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Nice tidbit on Kyle from Ran Carthon.

"Mike's super knowledgeable of what it takes to build a team," Carthon says. "You're going to have kind of like what we had in San Francisco where Kyle [Shanahan] knows exactly what it takes to fit in his scheme, which I've always felt makes it easier for scouts to go scout, because you know exactly what you're going to look for. Mike has that same level of knowledge of what he wants and what he's looking for."

To illustrate that, Carthon raised how picky Shanahan is with receivers, and how focused he is with what he wants in them since he played the position.

"So this is what I call clear marching orders," Carthon says. "You knew the X was the fast, explosive guy that could take the top off the defense, that could stretch the field. You know the Z was the stronger guy that was going to be the more over-the-middle catch, balls-in-tight-spaces guy who can run after the catch. You knew the F was going to be the shifty guy that could win one-on-one, that can extend drives. Our scouts knew all that going in."

So Job No. 1, for Carthon, has been working with Vrabel to learn his specifics, the way he knew Shanahan's after six years with the Niners.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/02/06/ten-takeaways-tom-brady-retirement-frank-reich-sean-payton-mmqb

If only KS knew QBs like he does WRs

Kyle has won a lot of games with Jimmy and has had a great start with Brock at QB. We still don't even know what we have in Trey yet. So that statement is ignorant and uninformed. Do better.

plz my friend it's my opinion and it's informed by watching all our games for many years now feel free to disagree

that's what this is a fan forum to post our opinion. mine is that KS knows the WR position more than the QB position. He played WR. So naturally he gets it more. We are a bit of a WR factory; developing Deebo and BA very nicely, even JJ nicely. Gray next in the pipeline. I trust him highly in that regard. Cant say we are a QB factory or anything of the sort.

Before Deebo and Aiyuk, we were not a "WR factory". JJ is okay as a role player and Gray hasn't shown a damn thing as of yet. If you want to believe that Kyle doesn't know what he wants in a QB or cannot evaluate QB's, you are correct in that it is your opinion. But I just stated why I believe your opinion is flawed. As you are free to post your opinion, I am free to post my opinion based around your opinion.

Yeah and those guys developed under KS, clearly. So did JJ. JJ way overperformed his draft status I think he was a 7th rounder.

Would you argue KS is developing QB as well as he is WR, or less well, or better. I would say we are developing WRs better than we are QBs. Hard to argue otherwise, I thought this was a pretty common or majority opinion on here.

I'd say ultimately Kyle is responsible for the entire team. But kyle is probably more involved with his WR's since that is his position of choice and most likely his expertise. However, player development is really the job of position coaches. How much credit should Kyle get for the development of each position group, including defense? As we have seen this past season with the hiring of Griese, Jimmy was having his best season yet and Brock came out looking like an elite QB.

one of KS great traits is having a huge network of guys around the league, he understands today's NFL at an extremely high level, he is dialed in on what all the clubs are doing he surrounds himself with great coaches up and down.. Griese is/was a great hire from day 1.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I'd say ultimately Kyle is responsible for the entire team. But kyle is probably more involved with his WR's since that is his position of choice and most likely his expertise. However, player development is really the job of position coaches. How much credit should Kyle get for the development of each position group, including defense? As we have seen this past season with the hiring of Griese, Jimmy was having his best season yet and Brock came out looking like an elite QB.

Speaking of Griese, is he on contract? Jimmy looked a little better too.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I'd say ultimately Kyle is responsible for the entire team. But kyle is probably more involved with his WR's since that is his position of choice and most likely his expertise. However, player development is really the job of position coaches. How much credit should Kyle get for the development of each position group, including defense? As we have seen this past season with the hiring of Griese, Jimmy was having his best season yet and Brock came out looking like an elite QB.

Speaking of Griese, is he on contract? Jimmy looked a little better too.

I am not sure. I would think that the FO would have given him more than a 1 year deal. Whether he is under contract or not, I don't think they can keep him from accepting a promotion though. I have my fingers crossed that he wants to stay put for a couple more years and continue to develop these 2 young QB's we have. From what I have read is that Griese was a big advocate for Brock Purdy. And I am sure he can help Trey reach his potential.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I'd say ultimately Kyle is responsible for the entire team. But kyle is probably more involved with his WR's since that is his position of choice and most likely his expertise. However, player development is really the job of position coaches. How much credit should Kyle get for the development of each position group, including defense? As we have seen this past season with the hiring of Griese, Jimmy was having his best season yet and Brock came out looking like an elite QB.

Speaking of Griese, is he on contract? Jimmy looked a little better too.

I am not sure. I would think that the FO would have given him more than a 1 year deal. Whether he is under contract or not, I don't think they can keep him from accepting a promotion though. I have my fingers crossed that he wants to stay put for a couple more years and continue to develop these 2 young QB's we have. From what I have read is that Griese was a big advocate for Brock Purdy. And I am sure he can help Trey reach his potential.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I'd say ultimately Kyle is responsible for the entire team. But kyle is probably more involved with his WR's since that is his position of choice and most likely his expertise. However, player development is really the job of position coaches. How much credit should Kyle get for the development of each position group, including defense? As we have seen this past season with the hiring of Griese, Jimmy was having his best season yet and Brock came out looking like an elite QB.

Speaking of Griese, is he on contract? Jimmy looked a little better too.

I am not sure. I would think that the FO would have given him more than a 1 year deal. Whether he is under contract or not, I don't think they can keep him from accepting a promotion though. I have my fingers crossed that he wants to stay put for a couple more years and continue to develop these 2 young QB's we have. From what I have read is that Griese was a big advocate for Brock Purdy. And I am sure he can help Trey reach his potential.

Average assistant coach contracts are 2 years.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
"We saw Jimmy Garoppolo do the same thing in the past," Montana said of Garoppolo taking advantage of the good talent around him. "So it's hard to get rid of a guy like that until you know that Purdy is healthy. I think Purdy, in my mind, is the starter if he's healthy. I'd say see how Purdy comes along [in his recovery] before letting Jimmy go."

Originally posted by Heroism:
Cool interview with CMC talking about Shanny. The way he describes Shanahan is similar how I've heard people describe Belichick: "He understands all 22 positions and everyone's job on every single play. He can teach you about the defense just as well as he can the offense."

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
"We saw Jimmy Garoppolo do the same thing in the past," Montana said of Garoppolo taking advantage of the good talent around him. "So it's hard to get rid of a guy like that until you know that Purdy is healthy. I think Purdy, in my mind, is the starter if he's healthy. I'd say see how Purdy comes along [in his recovery] before letting Jimmy go."

Except for the fact that Jimmy is a free agent and we won't truly know how Brock is coming along before FA starts.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
"We saw Jimmy Garoppolo do the same thing in the past," Montana said of Garoppolo taking advantage of the good talent around him. "So it's hard to get rid of a guy like that until you know that Purdy is healthy. I think Purdy, in my mind, is the starter if he's healthy. I'd say see how Purdy comes along [in his recovery] before letting Jimmy go."

Except for the fact that Jimmy is a free agent and we won't truly know how Brock is coming along before FA starts.

we can work it out.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
one of KS great traits is having a huge network of guys around the league, he understands today's NFL at an extremely high level, he is dialed in on what all the clubs are doing he surrounds himself with great coaches up and down.. Griese is/was a great hire from day 1.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
"Kyle came out and said there's no scenario where Jimmy will come back," Samuel said. "Being around Jimmy for four years and being around the league for the last four years, you see a lot. People come in, people leave, people get cut. Not only just Jimmy, we have a few free agents on our team, which no team is going to look exactly the same. But losing Jimmy is pretty big."