49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Why would anyone even have that thought right now

Because if posters question him others defend him like pitbulls lol So I wonder at what point do you say to yourself maybe it's not meant to be? Can I not ask what he can do to be better? Again as mentioned in other posts, you took my comment way out of context and we ran with it lol

there's only like two posters here saying this and they don't post here often ,, and when they do it's a s**t show

Ill be honest I don't even know who they are and I usually ignore completely outrageous posts. I am around but not like you guys and I barely focus or remember posters names, but you are I are agreeing in QB threads while debating here right now for example... I found that amusing and its a reminder we are all fans with differing opinions that I always try to respect. I just wish everyone around here would be a little more patient and gentle with each other.

Its obvious to me Kyle is our guy but at the same time (and im NOT comparing him to anyone else) what can HE do to improve. If we cant debate that respectfully and openminded then what's the point?

For example a good point made recently was hey- Kyles had 4 qb go down this year and many more in the past. At what point do we equate bad luck to him and his scheme? A fair thought imo....

Kyle was defensive about that at a recent presser. I wonder if its because of ego, or because he actually feels it may be a bit true? I don't know but that's how I think. The guy is human after all.

Brendal explained they expected Reddick to bite on the PA a bit and that buys the time for Purdy to go deep with the chip from the backup TE etc... (Aiyuk WAS OPEN btw sigh) but Reddick didnt do what kyle expected and destroyed our QB. I am not x and o master, but that is definitely scheme. So if his scheme puts the QB in the line of fire more often than logically to me that explains why bad luck comes at us so often. Can and should something be done about it?

Originally posted by dmax:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
That's great, but I wasn't comparing him to anyone else. You guys are

I said he needs to learn how to win it all. I left it open to interpretation, but you guys took it as an attack....

I was more asking.... what DOES KYLE need to do to win it all...... because he's been getting damn close hasn't he? So what can KYLE do to get there?

As for Reid....Would you rather be 0-28 or 1-27? its a simple choice for me but that doesnt mean i want Kyle fired lol. Also Reid is the one who made sure he got his guy in Mahaomes while Kyle had a hard on for Cousins. So guess what... Mahomes was his QB when his play broke down right? And his QB made that miraculous play and it was against our damn team..... Credit still goes back to the HC.

facts

Lol if Reid thought Mahomes was gonna be what he was…he would have never sat him YR1 and LOST AGAIN in the playoffs…and what, all Reid has to show for having the worlds best football player is ONE Super Bowl? it took Mahomes making a Mahomes play and our QB pooping his pants on a perfectly drawn up play? Yeah great coaching from him 😂

also the guys pounding the table for Mahomes…was Brett Veach and guess who? Matt Freaking Nagy lol. Mahomes talked about it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by dmax:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
That's great, but I wasn't comparing him to anyone else. You guys are

I said he needs to learn how to win it all. I left it open to interpretation, but you guys took it as an attack....

I was more asking.... what DOES KYLE need to do to win it all...... because he's been getting damn close hasn't he? So what can KYLE do to get there?

As for Reid....Would you rather be 0-28 or 1-27? its a simple choice for me but that doesnt mean i want Kyle fired lol. Also Reid is the one who made sure he got his guy in Mahaomes while Kyle had a hard on for Cousins. So guess what... Mahomes was his QB when his play broke down right? And his QB made that miraculous play and it was against our damn team..... Credit still goes back to the HC.

facts

Lol if Reid thought Mahomes was gonna be what he was…he would have never sat him YR1 and LOST AGAIN in the playoffs…and what all Reid has to show for having the worlds best football player is ONE Super Bowl? it took Mahomes making a Mahomes play and our QB pooping his pants on a perfectly drawn up play? Yeah great coaching from him 😂

also the guys behind taking Mahomes…was Brett Veach and guess who? Matt Freaking Nagy lol. Mahomes talked about it.

Head coach puts the guys around him to pull off the moves. Everyone on draft day said this was getting a Farve type arm talent, paired with Reid again, that's his type of QB.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Because if posters question him others defend him like pitbulls lol So I wonder at what point do you say to yourself maybe it's not meant to be? Can I not ask what he can do to be better? Again as mentioned in other posts, you took my comment way out of context and we ran with it lol

You said he needs to learn to win it all, what does that even mean? Should Bill get canned because he clearly never learned to win it all without the GOAT. Tomlin hasn't won s**t without a HOF QB. Same with Payton. Did Mike McCarthy "learn to win it all" or did he just have a generational QB and get hot at the right time? Same with Reid. I could go on and on.

point is football is so year to year. There are SO MANY variables that go into winning and losing. You'd think of all fans, Niners fans would get that.

if you're in the discussion to win it all year after year, constantly making the playoffs and winning games…I'd say that's a damn good job…better than most HC in the NFL.

I am not sure what you are arguing at this point? Reid is a fraud, only QB make coaches look good, and assistant coaches make the difference? You aren't exactly wrong, but you are actually also agreeing with me that Kyle could be better because he sitll hasn't nailed the QB position has he?

I never said Kyle wasnt a good coach did I?

Originally posted by thl408:
When a coach makes it to three NFCCGs within a four year span, he's doing a lot of things correctly. Sometimes the difference in losing in the final four and winning it all is very small, and it's hard to proclaim that had the coach made these handful of decisions correctly, that he would have won it all. I would have to see Kyle lose the locker room, and/or have a few losing seasons to start thinking about replacing him as head coach.

I think there is a correlation between how well a head coach is respected within league circles and how many of his assistants get poached. The most recent time this happened was Pete Carrol and how a couple of his assistants got head coaching gigs. I hate Pete but he's a good coach. Kyle has now produced three head coaches so that's a sign that the league thinks highly of him. A few fans hate Kyle, but he's a good coach.

I agree and I understand that, but I still wonder why he keeps coming up short. If you ask that around here you trigger folks. I never said he was a bad coach lol

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lol if Reid thought Mahomes was gonna be what he was…he would have never sat him YR1 and LOST AGAIN in the playoffs…and what, all Reid has to show for having the worlds best football player is ONE Super Bowl? it took Mahomes making a Mahomes play and our QB pooping his pants on a perfectly drawn up play? Yeah great coaching from him 😂

also the guys pounding the table for Mahomes…was Brett Veach and guess who? Matt Freaking Nagy lol. Mahomes talked about it.

it doesnt matter if he sat him yr 1...fact of the matter is reid knew what he wanted and he went up and got him..now u being silly

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Head coach puts the guys around him to pull off the moves. Everyone on draft day said this was getting a Farve type arm talent, paired with Reid again, that's his type of QB.

Mahomes said it himself Nagy and Brett Veach were the ones pounding the table for him. Nagy liked him so much he gave him all the play calls they were gonna go over the night before his private visit. So he could impress Reid.

Veach said he was going over film on Texas Tech lineman, then stumbled on Mahomes' film. He then went and told Reid that he has found KC's next QB. He also talked about how he put together the proposal to trade with the Bills that draft. So yeah Reid is awesome, he wasn't the main guy to find and draft Mahomes.

Originally posted by dmax:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lol if Reid thought Mahomes was gonna be what he was…he would have never sat him YR1 and LOST AGAIN in the playoffs…and what, all Reid has to show for having the worlds best football player is ONE Super Bowl? it took Mahomes making a Mahomes play and our QB pooping his pants on a perfectly drawn up play? Yeah great coaching from him 😂

also the guys pounding the table for Mahomes…was Brett Veach and guess who? Matt Freaking Nagy lol. Mahomes talked about it.

it doesnt matter if he sat him yr 1...fact of the matter is reid knew what he wanted and he went up and got him..now u being silly

Yup.

Originally posted by dmax:
it doesnt matter if he sat him yr 1...fact of the matter is reid knew what he wanted and he went up and got him..now u being silly

Lol only that's not true if you actually did some research. It was Nagy and Brent Veach that actually did most of it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Head coach puts the guys around him to pull off the moves. Everyone on draft day said this was getting a Farve type arm talent, paired with Reid again, that's his type of QB.

Mahomes said it himself Nagy and Brett Veach were the ones pounding the table for him. Nagy liked him so much he gave him all the play calls they were gonna go over the night before his private visit. So he could impress Reid.

Veach said he was going over film on Texas Tech lineman, then stumbled on Mahomes' film. He then went and told Reid that he has found KC's next QB. He also talked about how he put together the proposal to trade with the Bill that draft. So yeah Reid is awesome, he wasn't the main guy to find and draft Mahomes.

Look it's Reid's team, meaning where do you think Nagy even came from, Reid hired him, no? At the end of the day, that's on Reid.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by thl408:
When a coach makes it to three NFCCGs within a four year span, he's doing a lot of things correctly. Sometimes the difference in losing in the final four and winning it all is very small, and it's hard to proclaim that had the coach made these handful of decisions correctly, that he would have won it all. I would have to see Kyle lose the locker room, and/or have a few losing seasons to start thinking about replacing him as head coach.

I think there is a correlation between how well a head coach is respected within league circles and how many of his assistants get poached. The most recent time this happened was Pete Carrol and how a couple of his assistants got head coaching gigs. I hate Pete but he's a good coach. Kyle has now produced three head coaches so that's a sign that the league thinks highly of him. A few fans hate Kyle, but he's a good coach.

I agree and I understand that, but I still wonder why he keeps coming up short. If you ask that around here you trigger folks. I never said he was a bad coach lol

He made it to the SB and lost to the SB winner. He lost to the Rams and they were the SB winner. He lost to PHI because the 49er offense s**t the bed. Maybe the 49ers weren't good enough to beat the SB champs.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Look it's Reid's team, meaning where do you think Nagy even came from, Reid hired him, no? At the end of the day, that's on Reid.

Lol wut? What a lazy take totally disregarding the facts of how it went down. Go read how it actually happened and their GM involvement.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Ill be honest I don't even know who they are and I usually ignore completely outrageous posts. I am around but not like you guys and I barely focus or remember posters names, but you are I are agreeing in QB threads while debating here right now for example... I found that amusing and its a reminder we are all fans with differing opinions that I always try to respect. I just wish everyone around here would be a little more patient and gentle with each other.

Its obvious to me Kyle is our guy but at the same time (and im NOT comparing him to anyone else) what can HE do to improve. If we cant debate that respectfully and openminded then what's the point?

For example a good point made recently was hey- Kyles had 4 qb go down this year and many more in the past. At what point do we equate bad luck to him and his scheme? A fair thought imo....

Kyle was defensive about that at a recent presser. I wonder if its because of ego, or because he actually feels it may be a bit true? I don't know but that's how I think. The guy is human after all.

Brendal explained they expected Reddick to bite on the PA a bit and that buys the time for Purdy to go deep with the chip from the backup TE etc... (Aiyuk WAS OPEN btw sigh) but Reddick didnt do what kyle expected and destroyed our QB. I am not x and o master, but that is definitely scheme. So if his scheme puts the QB in the line of fire more often than logically to me that explains why bad luck comes at us so often. Can and should something be done about it?

Elite players can guess right too. To say it's scheme because a guy didn't buy a fake is pretty rough. How about credit the player who made the play?

To say this scheme puts the QB in the line of fire more often you would need data to support that. Using results as proof isn't how it works. The point that NCommand can't get his head around.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Look it's Reid's team, meaning where do you think Nagy even came from, Reid hired him, no? At the end of the day, that's on Reid.

Lol wut? What a lazy take totally disregarding the facts of how it went down. Go read how it actually happened and their GM involvement.

More like accurate take. Nagy is a Reid guy. He came over from Philly.

Originally posted by thl408:
He made it to the SB and lost to the SB winner. He lost to the Rams and they were the SB winner. He lost to PHI because the 49er offense s**t the bed. Maybe the 49ers weren't good enough to beat the SB champs.

If Reid loses this SB? Does he go back to "not learning how to win" because he would have lost multiple Super Bowls with the best player in the league? Or is just a ton of variables that goes into all of it?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
More like accurate take. Nagy is a Reid guy. He came over from Philly.

So Kyle gets all the credit for Brock then since every scout and coach is a Kyle guy.