49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by thl408:
He made it to the SB and lost to the SB winner. He lost to the Rams and they were the SB winner. He lost to PHI because the 49er offense s**t the bed. Maybe the 49ers weren't good enough to beat the SB champs.

If Reid loses this SB? Does he go back to "not learning how to win" because he would have lost multiple Super Bowls with the best player in the league? Or is just a ton of variables that goes into all of it?

Let's stop the Reid / KS comp. KS is a lot more like McVay imo. No reason to say KS is Andy Jr.. he isn't. He's KS.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
More like accurate take. Nagy is a Reid guy. He came over from Philly.

So Kyle gets all the credit for Brock then since every scout and coach is a Kyle guy.

Kyles greatness never ceases to amaze me

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Kyles greatness never ceases to amaze me

You and the rest of us look at Kyle like faithful looks at Jimmy

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by thl408:
He made it to the SB and lost to the SB winner. He lost to the Rams and they were the SB winner. He lost to PHI because the 49er offense s**t the bed. Maybe the 49ers weren't good enough to beat the SB champs.

If Reid loses this SB? Does he go back to "not learning how to win" because he would have lost multiple Super Bowls with the best player in the league? Or is just a ton of variables that goes into all of it?

Let's stop the Reid / KS comp. KS is a lot more like McVay imo. No reason to say KS is Andy Jr.. he isn't. He's KS.

McVay is like Kyle cause he learned from Kyle who learned from his dad who learned from George Seifert who learned from Bill Walsh who also taught Mike Holmgren who taught Andy Reid.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
More like accurate take. Nagy is a Reid guy. He came over from Philly.

So Kyle gets all the credit for Brock then since every scout and coach is a Kyle guy.

I would say a lot of it's on KS. With BP, let's remember.. it's like the TB12 documentary which was called The Brady Six. That Pats admit in the doc, they essentially lucked into Brady, because if they knew who Brady was, they don't leave him on the board for 190+ selections of the draft. There is always a luck element. Trading up to mid first round in a bold move to land Mahomes is probably less luck, than landing the GOAT in your lap in Round 6, if I were to offer my opinion.

I will always believe we basically lucked into BP, as no way we leave him there til 262 if we saw what he was doing for us this year coming. But to answer you question, yes it's KS making the major dollars. He puts his team around him, which means JL, all coaches, scouting personnel, this is KS surrounding himself with bright minded folks, which he has always done very well.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by thl408:
He made it to the SB and lost to the SB winner. He lost to the Rams and they were the SB winner. He lost to PHI because the 49er offense s**t the bed. Maybe the 49ers weren't good enough to beat the SB champs.

If Reid loses this SB? Does he go back to "not learning how to win" because he would have lost multiple Super Bowls with the best player in the league? Or is just a ton of variables that goes into all of it?

Let's stop the Reid / KS comp. KS is a lot more like McVay imo. No reason to say KS is Andy Jr.. he isn't. He's KS.

McVay is like Kyle cause he learned from Kyle who learned from his dad who learned from George Seifert who learned from Bill Walsh who also taught Mike Holmgren who taught Andy Reid.

Tie it to Kevin Bacon, keep going.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Ill be honest I don't even know who they are and I usually ignore completely outrageous posts. I am around but not like you guys and I barely focus or remember posters names, but you are I are agreeing in QB threads while debating here right now for example... I found that amusing and its a reminder we are all fans with differing opinions that I always try to respect. I just wish everyone around here would be a little more patient and gentle with each other.

Its obvious to me Kyle is our guy but at the same time (and im NOT comparing him to anyone else) what can HE do to improve. If we cant debate that respectfully and openminded then what's the point?

For example a good point made recently was hey- Kyles had 4 qb go down this year and many more in the past. At what point do we equate bad luck to him and his scheme? A fair thought imo....

Kyle was defensive about that at a recent presser. I wonder if its because of ego, or because he actually feels it may be a bit true? I don't know but that's how I think. The guy is human after all.

Brendal explained they expected Reddick to bite on the PA a bit and that buys the time for Purdy to go deep with the chip from the backup TE etc... (Aiyuk WAS OPEN btw sigh) but Reddick didnt do what kyle expected and destroyed our QB. I am not x and o master, but that is definitely scheme. So if his scheme puts the QB in the line of fire more often than logically to me that explains why bad luck comes at us so often. Can and should something be done about it?

Elite players can guess right too. To say it's scheme because a guy didn't buy a fake is pretty rough. How about credit the player who made the play?

To say this scheme puts the QB in the line of fire more often you would need data to support that. Using results as proof isn't how it works. The point that NCommand can't get his head around.

You completely missed my point. I didn't SAY it WAS the schemes fault. I am saying its fair to question if it IS. I even asked in the past if the data supports that...... And here you come in totally missing that and just get all condescending.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
More like accurate take. Nagy is a Reid guy. He came over from Philly.

So Kyle gets all the credit for Brock then since every scout and coach is a Kyle guy.

I would say a lot of it's on KS. With BP, let's remember.. it's like the TB12 documentary which was called The Brady Six. That Pats admit in the doc, they essentially lucked into Brady, because if they knew who Brady was, they don't leave him on the board for 190+ selections of the draft. There is always a luck element. Trading up to mid first round in a bold move to land Mahomes is probably less luck, than landing the GOAT in your lap in Round 6, if I were to offer my opinion.

I will always believe we basically lucked into BP, as no way we leave him there til 262 if we saw what he was doing for us this year coming. But to answer you question, yes it's KS making the major dollars. He puts his team around him, which means JL, all coaches, scouting personnel, this is KS surrounding himself with bright minded folks, which he has always done very well.

Didn't we hear recently it was Griese who pushed hard for Purdy?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
More like accurate take. Nagy is a Reid guy. He came over from Philly.

And? So because he worked with Reid every decision he's ever made is directly linked to Andy? Talk about a lazy ass take. Go read on how they got to that decision and who was the backbone of it happening. It wasn't Reid. It also doesn't make him any less of a great coach.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
More like accurate take. Nagy is a Reid guy. He came over from Philly.

So Kyle gets all the credit for Brock then since every scout and coach is a Kyle guy.

I would say a lot of it's on KS. With BP, let's remember.. it's like the TB12 documentary which was called The Brady Six. That Pats admit in the doc, they essentially lucked into Brady, because if they knew who Brady was, they don't leave him on the board for 190+ selections of the draft. There is always a luck element. Trading up to mid first round in a bold move to land Mahomes is probably less luck, than landing the GOAT in your lap in Round 6, if I were to offer my opinion.

I will always believe we basically lucked into BP, as no way we leave him there til 262 if we saw what he was doing for us this year coming. But to answer you question, yes it's KS making the major dollars. He puts his team around him, which means JL, all coaches, scouting personnel, this is KS surrounding himself with bright minded folks, which he has always done very well.

Didn't we hear recently it was Griese who pushed hard for Purdy?

Yeah and it was KS who hired Griese. Captain of this ship, essentially. Is Griese even here without KS?

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
You completely missed my point. I didn't SAY it WAS the schemes fault. I am saying its fair to question if it IS. I even asked in the past if the data supports that...... And here you come in totally missing that and just get all condescending.

You didnt?

I am not x and o master, but that is definitely scheme. So if his scheme puts the QB in the line of fire more often than logically to me that explains why bad luck comes at us so often.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Didn't we hear recently it was Griese who pushed hard for Purdy?

No no no it's the HC regardless of anything…unless it's here then ifs a bad decision. Then it's all kyle.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
More like accurate take. Nagy is a Reid guy. He came over from Philly.

And? So because he worked with Reid every decision he's ever made is directly linked to Andy? Talk about a lazy ass take. Go read on how they got to that decision and who was the backbone of it happening. It wasn't Reid. It also doesn't make him any less of a great coach.

If Reid hires the guy, then yes give Reid the credit for putting someone bright minded on the staff who knows football and talent eval. Great coaches hire good ppl. You may have seen it here with the NFL raiding our ranks every year, is that not on KS for hiring good folks.. course it is.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Let's stop the Reid / KS comp. KS is a lot more like McVay imo. No reason to say KS is Andy Jr.. he isn't. He's KS.

And you've missed the complete conversion in here going on a couple pages

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by thl408:
He made it to the SB and lost to the SB winner. He lost to the Rams and they were the SB winner. He lost to PHI because the 49er offense s**t the bed. Maybe the 49ers weren't good enough to beat the SB champs.

If Reid loses this SB? Does he go back to "not learning how to win" because he would have lost multiple Super Bowls with the best player in the league? Or is just a ton of variables that goes into all of it?

Let's stop the Reid / KS comp. KS is a lot more like McVay imo. No reason to say KS is Andy Jr.. he isn't. He's KS.

McVay is like Kyle cause he learned from Kyle who learned from his dad who learned from George Seifert who learned from Bill Walsh who also taught Mike Holmgren who taught Andy Reid.

Tie it to Kevin Bacon, keep going.

If I keep going I'll prove the Egyptians didn't make the pyramids they just found em