49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Hey I could say if Kyle wasn't the head coach in SF and Lynch was still the GM we DO get Mahomes....

It's symbiotic right? The point is they both get credit.

lynch would be calling games if not for Kyle.

The reality of that one situation is you guys apparently didn't do your research on how Mahomes ended up in KC. It wasn't Reid it was the GM and to a lesser extent, their then QB coach Nagy. It's been well documented.

yes Reid has to be part of all of it, he's the HC. Acting like he was the main player is false. Even Mahomes talked about it.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Not talking about the past. You cannot change the past. I am talking about this off season. For those who want to complain about the O line, an O line that ranked in the top 10 overall this past season, what is your solution going into THIS off season? Particularly at the RT position.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I agree with you that QB held us back more than anything and McG isnt horrible, I just feel we can do better. But we agree the o line has to protect the QB so he can do his job. It scares me that we want to develop Trey and Brock, but if they are running for their lives, or the right side never gives them time to settle in then how will they develop etc. For me id make sure the o line was as good as possible regardless.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Thank you. I usually agree with NCommand on o-line so ill be transparent there. My biggest complaint with Kyle is not addressing the o line as much as I felt it needed it... Scheme aside the best o-lines usually match the best teams. We were good, but the weaknesses imo get exposed in against the playoff d-lines.

Lets use Mahomes for example...beat us in a SB because the o-line was good and allowed to hold the entire game... the next year his o-line was decimated and he got destroyed. I dont care how good Lance or Purdy can be. They are only as good as the o-line. Thats my o-line philosophy. I was also taught you build a team in the trenches.

Numbers aside, when we get a 3rd and long don't tell me you're not thinking McG PLEASE DONT F THIS UP. Because I know I do and I know I'm not even worried about the left side. Its literally always the right to the middle that gets beat. So I would like to improve that if possible. I understand its impossible to have 5 Trent Williams, but I feel like everyone kinda agrees McG was a miss and well... here we still are. He has made the move to get more guys in the draft in recent years so I hope that continues.

KC's OL was ranked middle of the pack the year they won the SB.

if you listened to NC and picked every guy he wanted in the first rd…you'd have one stud OT (wirfs) and a collection of horrible ass lineman/flops. The days of drafting lineman early and setting and forgetting are long gone. Lineman in college aren't close to being as ready as they use to be. Half of them don't run pro pass sets. They're raw as all the QBs coming into the league.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Based on that thinking, they should not have drafted Purdy. The fact that OLinemen from college are raw and untutored doesn't mean they shouldn't continue invest draft picks into the offensive line.

To be fair, I think NCs main point is simply to do just that, add some day two and day three picks to the OLine on a annual basis and try out UDFA guys like Brendel, Poe and others so that you have some depth that can compete with the other depth players and choose the best ones.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I agree with you that QB held us back more than anything and McG isnt horrible, I just feel we can do better. But we agree the o line has to protect the QB so he can do his job. It scares me that we want to develop Trey and Brock, but if they are running for their lives, or the right side never gives them time to settle in then how will they develop etc. For me id make sure the o line was as good as possible regardless.

Thats the thing though, they weren't running for their lives. This is a different conversation if we were amongst the worst in the league. But they werent.

The secondary was worse than the o line this year. To me that's where the focus really needs to go.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Jimmy was LOL. If they draft some oline we will all be happy.

We definitely need a safety. I heard this a deep draft for them. I would like SPEED please.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Thank you. I usually agree with NCommand on o-line so ill be transparent there. My biggest complaint with Kyle is not addressing the o line as much as I felt it needed it... Scheme aside the best o-lines usually match the best teams. We were good, but the weaknesses imo get exposed in against the playoff d-lines.

Lets use Mahomes for example...beat us in a SB because the o-line was good and allowed to hold the entire game... the next year his o-line was decimated and he got destroyed. I dont care how good Lance or Purdy can be. They are only as good as the o-line. Thats my o-line philosophy. I was also taught you build a team in the trenches.

Numbers aside, when we get a 3rd and long don't tell me you're not thinking McG PLEASE DONT F THIS UP. Because I know I do and I know I'm not even worried about the left side. Its literally always the right to the middle that gets beat. So I would like to improve that if possible. I understand its impossible to have 5 Trent Williams, but I feel like everyone kinda agrees McG was a miss and well... here we still are. He has made the move to get more guys in the draft in recent years so I hope that continues.

KC's OL was ranked middle of the pack the year they won the SB.

if you listened to NC and picked every guy he wanted in the first rd…you'd have one stud OT (wirfs) and a collection of horrible ass lineman/flops. The days of drafting lineman early and setting and forgetting are long gone. Lineman in college aren't close to being as ready as they use to be. Half of them don't run pro pass sets. They're raw as all the QBs coming into the league.

Based on that thinking, they should not have drafted Purdy. The fact that OLinemen from college are raw and untutored doesn't mean they shouldn't continue invest draft picks into the offensive line.

To be fair, I think NCs main point is simply to do just that, add some day two and day three picks to the OLine on a annual basis and try out UDFA guys like Brendel, Poe and others so that you have some depth that can compete with the other depth players and choose the best ones.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
They have been doing that. Every year for the last 3. That isn't his point.

If Ncommand was picking for the Texans he'd be taking a guard at 2.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Based on that thinking, they should not have drafted Purdy. The fact that OLinemen from college are raw and untutored doesn't mean they shouldn't continue invest draft picks into the offensive line.

To be fair, I think NCs main point is simply to do just that, add some day two and day three picks to the OLine on a annual basis and try out UDFA guys like Brendel, Poe and others so that you have some depth that can compete with the other depth players and choose the best ones.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Jimmy was LOL. If they draft some oline we will all be happy.

We definitely need a safety. I heard this a deep draft for them. I would like SPEED please.

Jimmy running for his life has more to do with Jimmy being poor at recognizing defenses then anything. Notice how Brock generally knew where the blitz was coming from and how to beat it.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Thank you. I usually agree with NCommand on o-line so ill be transparent there. My biggest complaint with Kyle is not addressing the o line as much as I felt it needed it... Scheme aside the best o-lines usually match the best teams. We were good, but the weaknesses imo get exposed in against the playoff d-lines.

Lets use Mahomes for example...beat us in a SB because the o-line was good and allowed to hold the entire game... the next year his o-line was decimated and he got destroyed. I dont care how good Lance or Purdy can be. They are only as good as the o-line. Thats my o-line philosophy. I was also taught you build a team in the trenches.

Numbers aside, when we get a 3rd and long don't tell me you're not thinking McG PLEASE DONT F THIS UP. Because I know I do and I know I'm not even worried about the left side. Its literally always the right to the middle that gets beat. So I would like to improve that if possible. I understand its impossible to have 5 Trent Williams, but I feel like everyone kinda agrees McG was a miss and well... here we still are. He has made the move to get more guys in the draft in recent years so I hope that continues.

I'm no McGlinchey fan but he wasn't a miss, just a disappointment. He's a legit NFL right tackle.

Chiefs beat us because Pat Mahomes made big boy plays and Jimmy didn't. O line play wasn't drastically different in that game. It wasn't drastically different in 2021 vs the Rams. Team just couldn't make up for the QB deficit. Obviously the Chiefs O line was terrible in 2021 but our O line was never that level. NCommand continues to pretend it is every year and when the numbers don't back him up he moves the goalposts.

Reality is we need Trey or Brock to turn into the guy. They need O line protection sure but that alone won't make them viable. If they become viable they can do what Mahomes does and make the O line look better than it is. He did that in the AFC title game multiple times. Chiefs O line was exposed plenty.

I agree with you that QB held us back more than anything and McG isnt horrible, I just feel we can do better. But we agree the o line has to protect the QB so he can do his job. It scares me that we want to develop Trey and Brock, but if they are running for their lives, or the right side never gives them time to settle in then how will they develop etc. For me id make sure the o line was as good as possible regardless.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Thank you. I usually agree with NCommand on o-line so ill be transparent there. My biggest complaint with Kyle is not addressing the o line as much as I felt it needed it... Scheme aside the best o-lines usually match the best teams. We were good, but the weaknesses imo get exposed in against the playoff d-lines.

Lets use Mahomes for example...beat us in a SB because the o-line was good and allowed to hold the entire game... the next year his o-line was decimated and he got destroyed. I dont care how good Lance or Purdy can be. They are only as good as the o-line. Thats my o-line philosophy. I was also taught you build a team in the trenches.

Numbers aside, when we get a 3rd and long don't tell me you're not thinking McG PLEASE DONT F THIS UP. Because I know I do and I know I'm not even worried about the left side. Its literally always the right to the middle that gets beat. So I would like to improve that if possible. I understand its impossible to have 5 Trent Williams, but I feel like everyone kinda agrees McG was a miss and well... here we still are. He has made the move to get more guys in the draft in recent years so I hope that continues.

I'm no McGlinchey fan but he wasn't a miss, just a disappointment. He's a legit NFL right tackle.

Chiefs beat us because Pat Mahomes made big boy plays and Jimmy didn't. O line play wasn't drastically different in that game. It wasn't drastically different in 2021 vs the Rams. Team just couldn't make up for the QB deficit. Obviously the Chiefs O line was terrible in 2021 but our O line was never that level. NCommand continues to pretend it is every year and when the numbers don't back him up he moves the goalposts.

Reality is we need Trey or Brock to turn into the guy. They need O line protection sure but that alone won't make them viable. If they become viable they can do what Mahomes does and make the O line look better than it is. He did that in the AFC title game multiple times. Chiefs O line was exposed plenty.

I agree with you that QB held us back more than anything and McG isnt horrible, I just feel we can do better. But we agree the o line has to protect the QB so he can do his job. It scares me that we want to develop Trey and Brock, but if they are running for their lives, or the right side never gives them time to settle in then how will they develop etc. For me id make sure the o line was as good as possible regardless.

Top 5 in pass blocking is elite in the NFL and is better than it has ever been under Shanahan. So if anything, we are heading in the right direction. Especially when considering what they accomplished with a completely revamped interior o line with 2 very young guards who are only going to get better.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I see both sides of it in that sure the guy who did work deserves credit for work done. Also I realize that if Reid doesn't hire the man, he's in another city doing the work there, and they never land the player in KC.

so if Veach isn't the GM in KC they don't get Mahomes. That's the whole damn point.

So who's responsible for all the talent in Philly? Nick Sirianni or Howie Roseman? According to your takes it's Sirianni.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Each situation is different, you know that. Sometimes it's a strong GM and a not so strong HC. Reid after like a decade plus in the league, if you want to hire him, yeah you have to give him org control. KS was a hot commodity and a pretty big ticket hire, he got a lot of org control here. We all know this.