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Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by thl408:
Right. It's Spot. Just ran from a very funky formation. The TE that fell down is the Snag route (Z in the diagram).
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
So should 6 vs.4 like the injury to Brock.
Reid left extra guys in to block the league's best pass rush and let the skill guys cook the defenders.
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
This forum just has a lot of people who won't be satisfied. Even if we win a Super Bowl they won't be happy they will say it was a fluke. That we didn't win because of Kyle but that Kyle tried to losing it and they will have 1 timeout Kyle wasted as their example.
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by 9moon:
NOT that Mahomes was VERY special in last night's Super Bowl... but I'd still like for someone especially Grant to ask Kyle just what he saw from CJ that convinced him that he can pass on Mahomes and take CJ in the 3rd Round if he was there..
Gotta ask B. Veach and Nagy the guys that Reid hired in Philly and brought with him to KC they found Mahomes per NY this is well documented.
Scouting isn't easy but people in here act like it is. Most people had a 2nd round grade on Mahomes a majority of the draft cycle until the draft got closer cause air raid QBs had a stigma. If we were gonna take a QB we were in perfect position to take the universally considered QB1 of that draft Mitch Trubisky. We unfortunately took the rock solid can't miss prospect in Solomon Thomas. Good thing Kyle has found all pros not just pro bowlers but all pros in the 2nd round, 3rd round and 5th round. Not many GMs have as incredible a draft record as Kyle. We are lucky to have such a remarkable football mind.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by thl408:
Right. It's Spot. Just ran from a very funky formation. The TE that fell down is the Snag route (Z in the diagram).
The takeaway is JackHammer thought McKinnon was supposed to block Reddick. No, he was not. McKinnon is supposed to run out to the flat, which is what he was trying to do until he ran into Reddick. I'm not sure who is supposed to account for Reddick but it looks like #83 needs something productive to do.
Originally posted by Giedi:
Don't forget our new potential franchise QB picked dead last in the 2022 draft. The 2022 draft could be as ground breaking as the 1979 draft.
As for Moons criticism of the missed Mahomes pick, we got a potential Mahomes 2.0 now in Trey Lance. I think that dead horse "Kyle didn't pick Mahomes" issue has been beaten to death, IMO.
Originally posted by Sickaa:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Don't forget our new potential franchise QB picked dead last in the 2022 draft. The 2022 draft could be as ground breaking as the 1979 draft.
As for Moons criticism of the missed Mahomes pick, we got a potential Mahomes 2.0 now in Trey Lance. I think that dead horse "Kyle didn't pick Mahomes" issue has been beaten to death, IMO.
That would be nice and would surely help us get over the hump at last.
It's a question of whether he can stay healthy or not?
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by DrEll:
He was burned for it, despite winning the SB in 94.
Which was really dumb and reactionary. What hurt those teams most and what ultimately killed off the 49ers dynasty run was years of terrible drafting and bad free agent signings. They lost tons of depth that was never replaced and made bad moves that left the team weak or barren at key positions while continually pointing the finger at the coach, the quarterback or whatever other convenient scapegoat.
It's because Eddie held his coaches accountable. Whether it was justified is another debate. I'm sorry but to me constantly losing in the playoffs in not success. All it does is lower our draft position, make us bleed coaches, and pay out a hefty sum to a beefed up roster that is almost good enough.
what's the definition of insanity again ?
If McVay had another losing season in 2023 would you fire him?
He won a SB.
So did Doug Pederson. Would you fire Sean McVay if he had another losing season in 2023?
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by DrEll:
It's because Eddie held his coaches accountable. Whether it was justified is another debate. I'm sorry but to me constantly losing in the playoffs in not success. All it does is lower our draft position, make us bleed coaches, and pay out a hefty sum to a beefed up roster that is almost good enough.
what's the definition of insanity again ?
So Walsh should've been fired after losing to the Vikes?
Again you're both trying to make an apple to oranges comparison. Both McVay and Walsh WON Superbowls. They're proven winners. Some of the few coaches to hold a SB trophy. Can't lump Kyle into that group just bc he's an excellent play caller. Nobody crowned Andy Reid as one of the greats until he won a SB. He was an afterthought until that debacle from Kyle a few years ago. And now after yesterdays win he will be considered one of the greats.
you win a SB, you've proven yourself. you get the benefit of the doubt. You win a handful of second place trophies, you don't deserve squat. Certainly not the same accolades that SB winning coaches deserve.
but like I said, this fan base has become accustomed to mediocrity. The "almost Supers" is fitting for this current team and it's supporters…
Fair. So if you don't win, when do you fire the coach (excluding obvious situations where the team is terrible and has made no progress)?
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by DrEll:
He was burned for it, despite winning the SB in 94.
Which was really dumb and reactionary. What hurt those teams most and what ultimately killed off the 49ers dynasty run was years of terrible drafting and bad free agent signings. They lost tons of depth that was never replaced and made bad moves that left the team weak or barren at key positions while continually pointing the finger at the coach, the quarterback or whatever other convenient scapegoat.
It's because Eddie held his coaches accountable. Whether it was justified is another debate. I'm sorry but to me constantly losing in the playoffs in not success. All it does is lower our draft position, make us bleed coaches, and pay out a hefty sum to a beefed up roster that is almost good enough.
what's the definition of insanity again ?
If McVay had another losing season in 2023 would you fire him?
He won a SB.
So did Doug Pederson. Would you fire Sean McVay if he had another losing season in 2023?
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by DrEll:
It's because Eddie held his coaches accountable. Whether it was justified is another debate. I'm sorry but to me constantly losing in the playoffs in not success. All it does is lower our draft position, make us bleed coaches, and pay out a hefty sum to a beefed up roster that is almost good enough.
what's the definition of insanity again ?
So Walsh should've been fired after losing to the Vikes?
Again you're both trying to make an apple to oranges comparison. Both McVay and Walsh WON Superbowls. They're proven winners. Some of the few coaches to hold a SB trophy. Can't lump Kyle into that group just bc he's an excellent play caller. Nobody crowned Andy Reid as one of the greats until he won a SB. He was an afterthought until that debacle from Kyle a few years ago. And now after yesterdays win he will be considered one of the greats.
you win a SB, you've proven yourself. you get the benefit of the doubt. You win a handful of second place trophies, you don't deserve squat. Certainly not the same accolades that SB winning coaches deserve.
but like I said, this fan base has become accustomed to mediocrity. The "almost Supers" is fitting for this current team and it's supporters…
Fair. So if you don't win, when do you fire the coach (excluding obvious situations where the team is terrible and has made no progress)?
Therein lies the dilemma. My personal opinion is IF Kyle fails to win it this year (with a loaded roster), he should be on the hot seat, and if in 2024 year 8 of his tenure he doesn't win it and starts bleeding studs time for him and Lynch to move on.
I just can't imagine keeping a coach here for 9-10 years with nothing to show for it except for a handful of playoff trophies and letting him slide because he couldn't find the "right" quarterback in one decade's worth of coaching…
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by DrEll:
He was burned for it, despite winning the SB in 94.
Which was really dumb and reactionary. What hurt those teams most and what ultimately killed off the 49ers dynasty run was years of terrible drafting and bad free agent signings. They lost tons of depth that was never replaced and made bad moves that left the team weak or barren at key positions while continually pointing the finger at the coach, the quarterback or whatever other convenient scapegoat.
It's because Eddie held his coaches accountable. Whether it was justified is another debate. I'm sorry but to me constantly losing in the playoffs in not success. All it does is lower our draft position, make us bleed coaches, and pay out a hefty sum to a beefed up roster that is almost good enough.
what's the definition of insanity again ?
If McVay had another losing season in 2023 would you fire him?
He won a SB.
So did Doug Pederson. Would you fire Sean McVay if he had another losing season in 2023?
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by DrEll:
It's because Eddie held his coaches accountable. Whether it was justified is another debate. I'm sorry but to me constantly losing in the playoffs in not success. All it does is lower our draft position, make us bleed coaches, and pay out a hefty sum to a beefed up roster that is almost good enough.
what's the definition of insanity again ?
So Walsh should've been fired after losing to the Vikes?
Again you're both trying to make an apple to oranges comparison. Both McVay and Walsh WON Superbowls. They're proven winners. Some of the few coaches to hold a SB trophy. Can't lump Kyle into that group just bc he's an excellent play caller. Nobody crowned Andy Reid as one of the greats until he won a SB. He was an afterthought until that debacle from Kyle a few years ago. And now after yesterdays win he will be considered one of the greats.
you win a SB, you've proven yourself. you get the benefit of the doubt. You win a handful of second place trophies, you don't deserve squat. Certainly not the same accolades that SB winning coaches deserve.
but like I said, this fan base has become accustomed to mediocrity. The "almost Supers" is fitting for this current team and it's supporters…
Fair. So if you don't win, when do you fire the coach (excluding obvious situations where the team is terrible and has made no progress)?
Therein lies the dilemma. My personal opinion is IF Kyle fails to win it this year (with a loaded roster), he should be on the hot seat, and if in 2024 year 8 of his tenure he doesn't win it and starts bleeding studs time for him and Lynch to move on.
I just can't imagine keeping a coach here for 9-10 years with nothing to show for it except for a handful of playoff trophies and letting him slide because he couldn't find the "right" quarterback in one decade's worth of coaching…
Originally posted by captveg:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by DrEll:
He was burned for it, despite winning the SB in 94.
Which was really dumb and reactionary. What hurt those teams most and what ultimately killed off the 49ers dynasty run was years of terrible drafting and bad free agent signings. They lost tons of depth that was never replaced and made bad moves that left the team weak or barren at key positions while continually pointing the finger at the coach, the quarterback or whatever other convenient scapegoat.
It's because Eddie held his coaches accountable. Whether it was justified is another debate. I'm sorry but to me constantly losing in the playoffs in not success. All it does is lower our draft position, make us bleed coaches, and pay out a hefty sum to a beefed up roster that is almost good enough.
what's the definition of insanity again ?
If McVay had another losing season in 2023 would you fire him?
He won a SB.
So did Doug Pederson. Would you fire Sean McVay if he had another losing season in 2023?
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by DrEll:
It's because Eddie held his coaches accountable. Whether it was justified is another debate. I'm sorry but to me constantly losing in the playoffs in not success. All it does is lower our draft position, make us bleed coaches, and pay out a hefty sum to a beefed up roster that is almost good enough.
what's the definition of insanity again ?
So Walsh should've been fired after losing to the Vikes?
Again you're both trying to make an apple to oranges comparison. Both McVay and Walsh WON Superbowls. They're proven winners. Some of the few coaches to hold a SB trophy. Can't lump Kyle into that group just bc he's an excellent play caller. Nobody crowned Andy Reid as one of the greats until he won a SB. He was an afterthought until that debacle from Kyle a few years ago. And now after yesterdays win he will be considered one of the greats.
you win a SB, you've proven yourself. you get the benefit of the doubt. You win a handful of second place trophies, you don't deserve squat. Certainly not the same accolades that SB winning coaches deserve.
but like I said, this fan base has become accustomed to mediocrity. The "almost Supers" is fitting for this current team and it's supporters…
Fair. So if you don't win, when do you fire the coach (excluding obvious situations where the team is terrible and has made no progress)?
Therein lies the dilemma. My personal opinion is IF Kyle fails to win it this year (with a loaded roster), he should be on the hot seat, and if in 2024 year 8 of his tenure he doesn't win it and starts bleeding studs time for him and Lynch to move on.
I just can't imagine keeping a coach here for 9-10 years with nothing to show for it except for a handful of playoff trophies and letting him slide because he couldn't find the "right" quarterback in one decade's worth of coaching…
I'd rather keep a coach who constantly gets the team to the playoffs and gives the team a chance every year than roll the dice and end up with a revolving door of coaches that can't make .500 in the regular season. If you have a guy that keeps knocking at the door you hold onto him.
"Almost Supers" isn't mediocre. It's in the top percentile to be one of the 4 best out of 32 teams 3 out of 4 years.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by eastie:
"mediocrity." is what the entire league lives with. LOL. Spoiled fans "I want a title" it's so easy right? 99.9 % of the fans can't do their job as well as these athletes do their jobs at the level that perform at. The fans know so much more than the professionals doing the work...lol
I love how people try to repurpose words altogether. Mediocrity is finishing 7-9/8-8 every year and hoping to sneak into the playoffs ala Jeff Fisher.
Mediocrity isn't making it to the final four of the NFL 3 times in 4 years, thinking that way is delusional.
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by DrEll:
He was burned for it, despite winning the SB in 94.
Which was really dumb and reactionary. What hurt those teams most and what ultimately killed off the 49ers dynasty run was years of terrible drafting and bad free agent signings. They lost tons of depth that was never replaced and made bad moves that left the team weak or barren at key positions while continually pointing the finger at the coach, the quarterback or whatever other convenient scapegoat.
It's because Eddie held his coaches accountable. Whether it was justified is another debate. I'm sorry but to me constantly losing in the playoffs in not success. All it does is lower our draft position, make us bleed coaches, and pay out a hefty sum to a beefed up roster that is almost good enough.
what's the definition of insanity again ?
If McVay had another losing season in 2023 would you fire him?
He won a SB.
So did Doug Pederson. Would you fire Sean McVay if he had another losing season in 2023?
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by DrEll:
It's because Eddie held his coaches accountable. Whether it was justified is another debate. I'm sorry but to me constantly losing in the playoffs in not success. All it does is lower our draft position, make us bleed coaches, and pay out a hefty sum to a beefed up roster that is almost good enough.
what's the definition of insanity again ?
So Walsh should've been fired after losing to the Vikes?
Again you're both trying to make an apple to oranges comparison. Both McVay and Walsh WON Superbowls. They're proven winners. Some of the few coaches to hold a SB trophy. Can't lump Kyle into that group just bc he's an excellent play caller. Nobody crowned Andy Reid as one of the greats until he won a SB. He was an afterthought until that debacle from Kyle a few years ago. And now after yesterdays win he will be considered one of the greats.
you win a SB, you've proven yourself. you get the benefit of the doubt. You win a handful of second place trophies, you don't deserve squat. Certainly not the same accolades that SB winning coaches deserve.
but like I said, this fan base has become accustomed to mediocrity. The "almost Supers" is fitting for this current team and it's supporters…
Fair. So if you don't win, when do you fire the coach (excluding obvious situations where the team is terrible and has made no progress)?
Therein lies the dilemma. My personal opinion is IF Kyle fails to win it this year (with a loaded roster), he should be on the hot seat, and if in 2024 year 8 of his tenure he doesn't win it and starts bleeding studs time for him and Lynch to move on.
I just can't imagine keeping a coach here for 9-10 years with nothing to show for it except for a handful of playoff trophies and letting him slide because he couldn't find the "right" quarterback in one decade's worth of coaching…
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by captveg:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by DrEll:
He was burned for it, despite winning the SB in 94.
Which was really dumb and reactionary. What hurt those teams most and what ultimately killed off the 49ers dynasty run was years of terrible drafting and bad free agent signings. They lost tons of depth that was never replaced and made bad moves that left the team weak or barren at key positions while continually pointing the finger at the coach, the quarterback or whatever other convenient scapegoat.
It's because Eddie held his coaches accountable. Whether it was justified is another debate. I'm sorry but to me constantly losing in the playoffs in not success. All it does is lower our draft position, make us bleed coaches, and pay out a hefty sum to a beefed up roster that is almost good enough.
what's the definition of insanity again ?
If McVay had another losing season in 2023 would you fire him?
He won a SB.
So did Doug Pederson. Would you fire Sean McVay if he had another losing season in 2023?
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by DrEll:
It's because Eddie held his coaches accountable. Whether it was justified is another debate. I'm sorry but to me constantly losing in the playoffs in not success. All it does is lower our draft position, make us bleed coaches, and pay out a hefty sum to a beefed up roster that is almost good enough.
what's the definition of insanity again ?
So Walsh should've been fired after losing to the Vikes?
Again you're both trying to make an apple to oranges comparison. Both McVay and Walsh WON Superbowls. They're proven winners. Some of the few coaches to hold a SB trophy. Can't lump Kyle into that group just bc he's an excellent play caller. Nobody crowned Andy Reid as one of the greats until he won a SB. He was an afterthought until that debacle from Kyle a few years ago. And now after yesterdays win he will be considered one of the greats.
you win a SB, you've proven yourself. you get the benefit of the doubt. You win a handful of second place trophies, you don't deserve squat. Certainly not the same accolades that SB winning coaches deserve.
but like I said, this fan base has become accustomed to mediocrity. The "almost Supers" is fitting for this current team and it's supporters…
Fair. So if you don't win, when do you fire the coach (excluding obvious situations where the team is terrible and has made no progress)?
Therein lies the dilemma. My personal opinion is IF Kyle fails to win it this year (with a loaded roster), he should be on the hot seat, and if in 2024 year 8 of his tenure he doesn't win it and starts bleeding studs time for him and Lynch to move on.
I just can't imagine keeping a coach here for 9-10 years with nothing to show for it except for a handful of playoff trophies and letting him slide because he couldn't find the "right" quarterback in one decade's worth of coaching…
I'd rather keep a coach who constantly gets the team to the playoffs and gives the team a chance every year than roll the dice and end up with a revolving door of coaches that can't make .500 in the regular season. If you have a guy that keeps knocking at the door you hold onto him.
"Almost Supers" isn't mediocre. It's in the top percentile to be one of the 4 best out of 32 teams 3 out of 4 years.
I want this franchise to be more like the Steelers in how they retain coaches, but many on here just want shiny newness every year. Like Houston.
Shame it only took a few years to wash the taste of Tomsula/Kelly out of their mouths, and they forgot what those days were like.
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by captveg:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by DrEll:
He was burned for it, despite winning the SB in 94.
Which was really dumb and reactionary. What hurt those teams most and what ultimately killed off the 49ers dynasty run was years of terrible drafting and bad free agent signings. They lost tons of depth that was never replaced and made bad moves that left the team weak or barren at key positions while continually pointing the finger at the coach, the quarterback or whatever other convenient scapegoat.
It's because Eddie held his coaches accountable. Whether it was justified is another debate. I'm sorry but to me constantly losing in the playoffs in not success. All it does is lower our draft position, make us bleed coaches, and pay out a hefty sum to a beefed up roster that is almost good enough.
what's the definition of insanity again ?
If McVay had another losing season in 2023 would you fire him?
He won a SB.
So did Doug Pederson. Would you fire Sean McVay if he had another losing season in 2023?
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by DrEll:
It's because Eddie held his coaches accountable. Whether it was justified is another debate. I'm sorry but to me constantly losing in the playoffs in not success. All it does is lower our draft position, make us bleed coaches, and pay out a hefty sum to a beefed up roster that is almost good enough.
what's the definition of insanity again ?
So Walsh should've been fired after losing to the Vikes?
Again you're both trying to make an apple to oranges comparison. Both McVay and Walsh WON Superbowls. They're proven winners. Some of the few coaches to hold a SB trophy. Can't lump Kyle into that group just bc he's an excellent play caller. Nobody crowned Andy Reid as one of the greats until he won a SB. He was an afterthought until that debacle from Kyle a few years ago. And now after yesterdays win he will be considered one of the greats.
you win a SB, you've proven yourself. you get the benefit of the doubt. You win a handful of second place trophies, you don't deserve squat. Certainly not the same accolades that SB winning coaches deserve.
but like I said, this fan base has become accustomed to mediocrity. The "almost Supers" is fitting for this current team and it's supporters…
Fair. So if you don't win, when do you fire the coach (excluding obvious situations where the team is terrible and has made no progress)?
Therein lies the dilemma. My personal opinion is IF Kyle fails to win it this year (with a loaded roster), he should be on the hot seat, and if in 2024 year 8 of his tenure he doesn't win it and starts bleeding studs time for him and Lynch to move on.
I just can't imagine keeping a coach here for 9-10 years with nothing to show for it except for a handful of playoff trophies and letting him slide because he couldn't find the "right" quarterback in one decade's worth of coaching…
I'd rather keep a coach who constantly gets the team to the playoffs and gives the team a chance every year than roll the dice and end up with a revolving door of coaches that can't make .500 in the regular season. If you have a guy that keeps knocking at the door you hold onto him.
"Almost Supers" isn't mediocre. It's in the top percentile to be one of the 4 best out of 32 teams 3 out of 4 years.
I want this franchise to be more like the Steelers in how they retain coaches, but many on here just want shiny newness every year. Like Houston.
Shame it only took a few years to wash the taste of Tomsula/Kelly out of their mouths, and they forgot what those days were like.
Its this generation. A bunch of whinny adults with short attention spans.
As long as Kyle keeps this team competitive and can consistently put together a playoff team, he needs to be our HC until he quits.
